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much of the same argument could be made for even buying a 4K TV in the first place..if you already have a very good 1080P one now

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I agree. I do wish they would focus more on perfecting 1080P rather than forcing the 4K issue.
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my tv just took in another update tonight separate from the one a few weeks ago, anyone know what it did? its not even posted on the sony website.
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Amazon showing $2,500. Might just get down to $2,000.
Just looked and that price is not from Amazon, but a 3rd party seller. Amazon has 2,629 and that is the best price I could get at BB. I honestly think they will be gone before they hit 2k.

I am as happy as one can be with my current edge-lit set, but really want a FALD..... dang it!!! IMHO every 55inch + LED-LCD set sold from here on out should be FALD! Yes, I know that will never happen....
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Just looked and that price is not from Amazon, but a 3rd party seller. Amazon has 2,629 and that is the best price I could get at BB. I honestly think they will be gone before they hit 2k.

I am as happy as one can be with my current edge-lit set, but really want a FALD..... dang it!!! IMHO every 55inch + LED-LCD set sold from here on out should be FALD! Yes, I know that will never happen....
2 weeks back - I bought one on clearance @ Frys Electronics for $1747. If there is a Frys store nearby - you may want to check if they have any in stock
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Software Update

I received a software update PKG2.902AAA today. Does anyone know what was new in this update?
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2 weeks back - I bought one on clearance @ Frys Electronics for $1747. If there is a Frys store nearby - you may want to check if they have any in stock

Nope, no Fry's unfortunately. I'm in MN
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I received a software update PKG2.902AAA today. Does anyone know what was new in this update?
Bug fixes from last update (amazon 4k issues and 3d problems etc) the anticipated HDR update still a no go.

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looks like it just fixed the issues people were having with amazon and such..... damn

Resolves a condition where the Amazon® app cannot be accessed on some 4K TVs or is now only providing content in 2K format
Resolves a condition where 3D movies don't work (the screen goes white and only the sound is heard)
Resolves a condition where the picture flickers after switching the input from an HDMI input that has an active device connected to the TV input
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Amazon showing $2,500. Might just get down to $2,000.
Just looked and that price is not from Amazon, but a 3rd party seller. Amazon has 2,629 and that is the best price I could get at BB. I honestly think they will be gone before they hit 2k.

I am as happy as one can be with my current edge-lit set, but really want a FALD..... dang it!!! IMHO every 55inch + LED-LCD set sold from here on out should be FALD! Yes, I know that will never happen....
You're correct. Checked again this morning and sold by Amazon is back to near $3,000. If BB keeps it at $2,700 they should be sold out before another price drop.

Problem is the masses see the 930D at just a few hundred more and think that's a better deal. Most have no clue what is FALD and outside these forums I doubt most know about the bent issues. Doesn't help they are bombarded with must have HDR yet most AV equipment can't 100% transmit nor will the masses find HDR content. They also do love their thin picture frame like TVs.
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You're correct. Checked again this morning and sold by Amazon is back to near $3,000. If BB keeps it at $2,700 they should be sold out before another price drop.

Problem is the masses see the 930D at just a few hundred more and think that's a better deal. Most have no clue what is FALD and outside these forums I doubt most know about the bent issues. Doesn't help they are bombarded with must have HDR yet most AV equipment can't 100% transmit nor will the masses find HDR content. They also do love their thin picture frame like TVs.

I've been wasting too much time researching......

I said before , I expect that there be some light gray screen banding AKA DSE on these sets, but looks like these sets might be prone to more severe cases of it?? I've seen a couple of reviews mention it and that concerns me as reviewers in the past fail to mention things like this. I have some DSE on my current set, but perfectly livable. I have had sets where it was not acceptable at all and needed to be returned. I hate , I mean hate the TV return game and would hate to get this and have DSE much worse than my current. How bad really is the DSE on these sets? Is it truly hit and miss, like I may get one that's not so bad , but then could get one that's REALLY bad? I read that the 940d might be a bit better as far as consistency from panel to panel, but that could be a lot of BS too.
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I have two sets. I don't see any banding. Either I'm not sensitive to it or it's just not there. I wasn't aware these panels are prone to it.
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I have two sets. I don't see any banding. Either I'm not sensitive to it or it's just not there. I wasn't aware these panels are prone to it.
Same here. Either I don't have banding or I don't notice it. So, I don't think that you (guvadc) should be too concerned about banding.
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"Provides HDMI® 2.0 compatibility (Applies to 4K models only)
Supports 4K 60p (3840X2160p (59.94/60Hz) YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit, 4096X2160p (59.94/60Hz) YCbCr 4:2:0 8bit)"


https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model...d#/downloadTab

I can't imagine the 2014 flagship not having 4K 60p if the 2013 model does.
Correct. It has 4K/60, it just can't do 4:4:4 over HDMI. I have no idea what this guy is talking about.
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I too thought it had 4K/60p based on what I recall the 900A had once made compatible with HDMI 2.0 but Sony specs doesn't show that. Regardless, I don't get too hung up on specs and tend to trust what my eyes can actually perceive and most realistic use of them. I don't game and the day sports become 4K mainstream my eyes might tell me I need a new screen.
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I just pulled the trigger on the 950b. It's being delivered on 6/19. I was deciding between the 930d and the LG 65EF9500 when a BB rep showed me the 950b, which blew me out of the water. I can't help but second guess myself on whether I should have went with the LG 65EF9500 over the 950b. Every review I read of the EG9500 says it's the best picture available (prior to the 2016 OLEDs release). I was able to find the EF9500 for around 3k. So price aside, has anyone compared the 950b to the 65EF9500, and if so what were your thoughts?
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I just pulled the trigger on the 950b. It's being delivered on 6/19. I was deciding between the 930d and the LG 65EF9500 when a BB rep showed me the 950b, which blew me out of the water. I can't help but second guess myself on whether I should have went with the LG 65EF9500 over the 950b. Every review I read of the EG9500 says it's the best picture available (prior to the 2016 OLEDs release). I was able to find the EF9500 for around 3k. So price aside, has anyone compared the 950b to the 65EF9500, and if so what were your thoughts?
The 2015 OLEDs have a vignetting issue on some content where black streaks can appear to come in from both sides of the screen. LG has worked at reducing the amount of it on later production units, but it's not gone entirely on the 2015s.

Beyond that, the EF9500 does do HDR10 through streaming and HDMI sources, while the X950B has no HDR support and likely will not ever get it.

The X950B has one of the best local dimming backlights Sony has made, but obviously will fall short of the pixel-by-pixel capability of the EF9500. The Sony should have improved motion handling compared to the LG.

The X950B uses Sony's old pre-Android TV smart TV system, so, not sure what longevity will be for the internal apps, but you could always use an external box for SmartTV stuff.

With LCD you do eliminate the risk of burn-in that could come up with OLED, but you give up some viewing angle. The 950B should be brighter.

Between the two, if it was me, I'd have probably gone with the EF9500, and I say this as a recent X940C owner. HDR compatibility is a big deal IMO, so that alone tips the had towards the LG.

For me, I wanted the motion handling and upscaling that Sony is so good with but also wanted HDR, so the X940C offered me both. With the X950B vs the EF9500 there are trade-offs either way.
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I just pulled the trigger on the 950b. It's being delivered on 6/19. I was deciding between the 930d and the LG 65EF9500 when a BB rep showed me the 950b, which blew me out of the water. I can't help but second guess myself on whether I should have went with the LG 65EF9500 over the 950b. Every review I read of the EG9500 says it's the best picture available (prior to the 2016 OLEDs release). I was able to find the EF9500 for around 3k. So price aside, has anyone compared the 950b to the 65EF9500, and if so what were your thoughts?
When I was deciding what TV to get in August 2015 I compared the x950b with the EF9500 and x940c. To my eyes, the x950b was the right choice, particularly over the OLED.

Regarding the x940c, the x950b's picture had more detail (probably due to it's smaller screen size) and just as much pop as the x940c; and the x950b was about $1,500 less than the x940c at the time.

Regarding the EF9500, the x950b had better shadow detail in dark scenes and smoother motion. The EF9500 exhibited noticeable stutter and/or judder in certain scenes.

That being said, the x950b doesn't do HDR, but as currently implemented on TVs, HDR isn't that impressive to me; too subtle for my eyes to notice a meaningful difference from SDR, particularly with high quality SDR content like Blu-ray which looks amazing upscaled on the x950b.
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How about for 4K content, how does the 950b 4K compare to the EF9500 4K (Non-HDR)? I assume Netflix 4K from a source like the Roku 4 works on the 950b, is this correct?
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[QUOTE=bigyeah;44484233]How about for 4K content, how does the 950b 4K compare to the EF9500 4K (Non-HDR)? I assume Netflix 4K from a source like the Roku 4 works on the 950b, is this correct?[/QUOTE

Streamed 4K content looks fantastic. I've watched Mad Dogs, Mozart in the Jungle, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Master of None and Flaked, and it all looks great. Don't have a 4K Blu-ray player, so can't comment on 4K B-r.
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Correct. It has 4K/60, it just can't do 4:4:4 over HDMI. I have no idea what this guy is talking about.
The HDR spec is 10-bit.
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The HDR spec is 10-bit.
No ****, but what does that have to do with what you quoted? You said the 950B doesn't do 4k/60P when it actually does, even says so in the manual. Then you turn a complete 180 and drop the HDR spec out of nowhere. Yes we all know this TV doesn't do HDR and is not 10-bit. What exactly are you hoping to accomplish?
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Looks like it's dropped a lil more at bb. Down to 2599.

Just did some research in the new Vizio p set. That seems like a pretty dang good deal for 1999. HDR and even has low input lag for gaming. Makes it hard to justify the 950b, but I still think I'd want the 950b anyway.
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I really want an excuse to "Need" HDR and not get the 950b and instead get the 930d or the EF9500, but my eyes don't see the added value of HDR compared to the superior picture of the 950b to the 930d, and to a lesser degree the EF9500 (my eyes like the 950b to the EF9500). So my question is this: In the near future, will HDR technology advance to a point where HDR content on the 930d becomes superior to the same non-HDR version of the content on the 950b? Because right now, 1080p content on the 950b is far superior than 1080p content on the 930d.
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930D has issues. Seems too fragile and not FALD with a gimmick that tries to have an edge lit impersonate FALD.

Considering the lack of 4K content I don't see HDR getting a strong presence outside of 4K BD and those at the moment only accessible through purchase with no indications Netflix or Red Box will provide.

I'll admit I've yet seen HDR so it may just be the cats meow but I don't see how it makes every content or frame better. Not all scenes need extra brightness or contrast. Plus right now what I see on the 950B is outstanding.

I've yet to hear another say they feel as if they're missing something PQ wise. Already read where another viewed same content on 950B and HDR panel and difference wasn't material enough to warrant change.

Best bet is find HDR being displayed and hopefully there's a 950B around and play the same content. Otherwise have them play the content with and without HDR enabled. Perhaps on a 940D so one can appreciate the subtleties on a FALD display.
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I really want an excuse to "Need" HDR and not get the 950b and instead get the 930d or the EF9500, but my eyes don't see the added value of HDR compared to the superior picture of the 950b to the 930d, and to a lesser degree the EF9500 (my eyes like the 950b to the EF9500). So my question is this: In the near future, will HDR technology advance to a point where HDR content on the 930d becomes superior to the same non-HDR version of the content on the 950b? Because right now, 1080p content on the 950b is far superior than 1080p content on the 930d.
I'm not sold on the current state of HDR yet and/or the implementation of it on the current sets. IMHO I think that in a couple years the newer higher end sets will be be much better for HDR than what we have now. This whole Dolby Vision and HDR10 thing is silly too and in a couple years will be ironed out I'd think.

Also, I'm in no mood to at the moment to go buy new reciever ( currently have denon x4000), 4K hdr Bluray player, and new "mastered in 4k HDR" blurays. For me , Id get the 950b to have one of the best FALD sets around and that's pretty much it. Maybe in a couple years , reassess the HDR landscape.
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FWIW the x950b (at least mine) just got a firmware update.

Anywhere we can see the change notes? Is this the fabled hdr update?
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No HDR. Mine stated it fixed a bug introduced last update. If I recall correctly. All that matters is I'm able to open Amazon, again, and any prior calibration might need readjusting.
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I just went to Value Electronics (VE) and the lady working there told me "without a doubt, no question about it, get the x930d over the x950b". I was pretty shocked to hear this. I am almost ready to cancel my 950b order and place a 930d order with VE. :/. Wish this decision was easier or my brain wasn't so crazy with electronics! Help!

Edit: price is also playing a slight role in my decision. The 950b is about $700 cheaper than the 930d
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I just went to Value Electronics (VE) and the lady working there told me "without a doubt, no question about it, get the x930d over the x950b". I was pretty shocked to hear this. I am almost ready to cancel my 950b order and place a 930d order with VE. :/. Wish this decision was easier or my brain wasn't so crazy with electronics! Help!

Edit: price is also playing a slight role in my decision. The 950b is about $700 cheaper than the 930d
The 930D has had a few issues, such as bending of the frame. Yes, the frame. You should see some of the examples people have posted, even right out of the box. I'm sure it's a good TV, but I wouldn't go 930D over the 950B. The 940D is another story, but the price is pretty high.
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