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Wow you might have gotten lucky.. Can you take a picture of a white screen from a slight angle like I did?


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Just got mine mounted over the weekend. I am not too critical but I can't see any issue with uniformity.

Does this happen only after you mounted on the wall or also on the pedestal? Could it be stress from to the mounting brackets?
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Exactly!! Which is why I feel it's a defect! It's a panel lottery.. You might get lucky and have minimal banding, or you might be unlucky like me and get a ripple in a pond.. Very distracting during normal viewing as well because it's very evident on mine.. I'm quite dissapointed and my reseller won't open another box for me so I am dealing with Panasonic and the waiting game has bugun..

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I know I've asked this question before, but I still haven't gotten an explanation...If the manufacturing process of these TVs are automated (are they?) then how could there be such variances in this banding issue? Shouldn't they all be pretty much the same?
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Here's mine dead on and of course the angle again.. So distracting.. And this is RIGHT after turning it on.. It actually gets more visible dead on after a few minutes..
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Would you honestly say that the banding looks as bad as that straight on shot? Or does the photo amplify the effect. If it's just like the photo, that's pretty bad. I watch a lot of hockey games and viewing straight on I don't notice any discoloration at all. Except if the screen goes black I have a lot of light bleed, looking like a smiley face (no joke), esp at the bottom, but fortunately I don't notice this too often.
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Would you honestly say that the banding looks as bad as that straight on shot? Or does the photo amplify the effect. If it's just like the photo, that's pretty bad. I watch a lot of hockey games and viewing straight on I don't notice any discoloration at all. Except if the screen goes black I have a lot of light bleed, looking like a smiley face (no joke), esp at the bottom, but fortunately I don't notice this too often.
It's VERY noticeable dead on. ESPECIALLY with sports.. A hockey game, or anything with a solid colored playing field... Green, white.. It don't matter and you will see it.. The fact of the matter is, it's there.. And when the right lighting/movement conditions present itself its noticeable..
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Yikes. That sounds bad. Hope Panasonic does something for you, but in my experience and from what I've heard from other disgrunted Panasonic owners, the customer support is very disappointing. My beautiful 2007 720p plasma lasted for less than 3 years and they offered me only 30% off a new Panny TV, which was the same as what Best Buy was selling their TVs.

In retrospect, what I would have done with my current Panny is buy multiple sets, see which one is best and then return the rest.
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Yikes. That sounds bad. Hope Panasonic does something for you, but in my experience and from what I've heard from other disgrunted Panasonic owners, the customer support is very disappointing. My beautiful 2007 720p plasma lasted for less than 3 years and they offered me only 30% off a new Panny TV, which was the same as what Best Buy was selling their TVs.

In retrospect, what I would have done with my current Panny is buy multiple sets, see which one is best and then return the rest.
Well, I JUST got it, so if they want to pass this off as normal, that's ok.. If they refund me 90% of my money I'll live with this as normal..
Just junk.. I'd return the whole thing if this wasn't a warranty replacement for my JUNK sony..
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Looking at grabbing one of these to have in addition to my X900B. Can anyone comment on light bleed? OR have any examples of it occurring? I just want to see how bad it is. Also any comments on black fluctuation? A good scene to see it on would be gravity when she first gets shot off into space.

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Looking at grabbing one of these to have in addition to my X900B. Can anyone comment on light bleed? OR have any examples of it occurring? I just want to see how bad it is. Also any comments on black fluctuation? A good scene to see it on would be gravity when she first gets shot off into space.
How is your Sony? If you have any banding/light bleed, can you upload a photo?
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I do have some light bleed that is noticeable on certain types of content, with various brightness levels. Its not too severe. It was actually really bad until I calibrated it and tweaked it some. It almost is all gone. Though the biggest problem I have with it is brightness fluctuation on scenes with a lot of black. Gravity is a big one, also deathly hallows 2.

I'll see if I can upload a pic later I don't have one with me.

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I haven't seen any posts on this but has anyone found good calibration settings? At some point I'll have BB come out to calibrate my set but in the mean time...
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mdchaser,



You can buy something like the WOW calibration disk and give it a run. You'll be able to do as good a gob with that, as the local teenager from best buy. IMO.
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Request for TC-58AX800 SETTINGS

My set arrives on Wednesday and I don't recall seeing any calibration settings posted yet. I've found in the past that there are some people around here who are pretty skilled at squeezing excellent image quality out of a display (even without calibration equipment) and would sure appreciate it if you share your settings if you're that you're really happy with.

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You can buy something like the WOW calibration disk and give it a run. You'll be able to do as good a gob with that, as the local teenager from best buy. IMO.
http://www.amazon.com/Disney-WOW-Wor.../dp/B0045ASBLG
Haha, I take it you don't have a very good opinion of their techs... I have a WOW disc and ordered some blue lens glasses to do it myself but I always assumed the BB techs had better equipment and could dig a bit further into the display? I was going to pay to have them calibrate it after a break in period but what are your thoughts on that?
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I forgot to mention the price has just dropped on Panasonics website. If you use the code 4KALLSTARS on checkout for either model they take an additional $200 off! I just called magnolia to see if they will price match as returns will be much easier that way.
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A nearby Magnolia had one left and price matched so I bit the bullet and should have my new TV in a few days!
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After reading this thread -Panasonic should have stuck to Plasma methinks.
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Is it just me or does normal 720p and 1080i direct tv viewing look worse and more "blocky" than my old samsung 1080p? Don't get me wrong….1080p blu ray and 4k netflix look awesome but its just something about normal satellite viewing that leaves something to be desired? Is there something I am doing wrong? ALso have a cinnamon hdmi running from my satellite box so I know its not the hdmi.
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I am thinking of getting this TV in Japan (VIERA TH-58AX800/AX800F) which costs ¥235,200 which is about the same as the US price of $1999. I have a few questions before pulling the trigger.

1) As far as I know, there is no Netflix in Japan until Fall 2015, has anyone tried to install a different region's firmware to a Japanese Panasonic TV? I would like to install the North America firmware to be able to get Netflix 4K and other Smart TV functions as I don't read any Japanese.

2) Where are people getting 4K content? I only have a 3rd-generation Apple TV and PS4 on VPN for content in Japan as I don't subscribe to any cable services, both of which are only 1080p. I understand there are 4K videos on Youtube and Vimeo.
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Pulled the trigger on the Japanese version of this TV (TH-58AX800F) for ?229,515 which works out to be about $1930. Not a bad deal. Just have to wait 10 days until it is delivered.
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Pulled the trigger on the Japanese version of this TV (TH-58AX800F) for ?229,515 which works out to be about $1930. Not a bad deal. Just have to wait 10 days until it is delivered.
Hope you don't have radial banding like I've seen on ALL the 65" models.. I think you should be ok at 58".. But damn thats tiny!
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3D Glasses for AX800 - US

I've had the AX800 in the states now for about 6 weeks. I must have gotten lucky as I haven't seen any problems with bleed or banding. I did start to experiment with the 3D aspect. We have the movie Titanic in 3D. The 3D glasses that came with the set worked great however, I would really like to get some clip-on glasses as my wife and I both wear glasses.

Does anyone have a source for clip-on 3D glasses compatible with the AX800?
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I've had the AX800 in the states now for about 6 weeks. I must have gotten lucky as I haven't seen any problems with bleed or banding. I did start to experiment with the 3D aspect. We have the movie Titanic in 3D. The 3D glasses that came with the set worked great however, I would really like to get some clip-on glasses as my wife and I both wear glasses.

Does anyone have a source for clip-on 3D glasses compatible with the AX800?
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Hey all,

So I got one of these and I'm pretty pleased with it. I haven't calibrated it yet as I just got it delivered and haven't had a chance to pull out my meter and calman because I'm busy with work. One thing I did notice though and I'm wondering if anyone has had an issue with it is regarding HDMI 4 running a AVR that is 4K compatible to it and having a cable box run through that AVR. Seems something is off with the HDCP.

It either gets audio and no video or video and no audio. When it is set to auto it displays video no audio. When it is set to 2.2 it has audio no video and 1.4 it is video no audio. I tinkered with it last night but it was late by the time I got it mounted and set up so I only messed with it for like 30 mins before I went to bed. Wanted to check with you all here to see if anyone has came across this.

Once I calibrate I will post some pictures and settings. check banding and uniformity.

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Hey all,

So I got one of these and I'm pretty pleased with it. I haven't calibrated it yet as I just got it delivered and haven't had a chance to pull out my meter and calman because I'm busy with work. One thing I did notice though and I'm wondering if anyone has had an issue with it is regarding HDMI 4 running a AVR that is 4K compatible to it and having a cable box run through that AVR. Seems something is off with the HDCP.

It either gets audio and no video or video and no audio. When it is set to auto it displays video no audio. When it is set to 2.2 it has audio no video and 1.4 it is video no audio. I tinkered with it last night but it was late by the time I got it mounted and set up so I only messed with it for like 30 mins before I went to bed. Wanted to check with you all here to see if anyone has came across this.

Once I calibrate I will post some pictures and settings. check banding and uniformity.
I'm looking forward to your thoughts (and settings) after calibration! This is just a shot in the dark but could one of the HDMI cables involved be one of the lower bandwidth types? For your HDMI/HDCP passthrough to work all of the cables will have to be of the 18Gbps variety I think. If one isn't it may not have enough bandwidth to pass all of the data, this is a real blind guess but I've seen enough cheap HDMI cables cause problems to at least suggest it.

I would also try connecting the device directly to the TV to see if you get full HDCP audio/video without the AVR in between. That would eliminate the AVR at least. Good luck!
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Why am I able to watch ANYTHING in 3D? Is this correct? I press the 3D button on the remote, power on the glasses, and voila...3D. Shouldn't I only be able to watch 3D with 3D content?
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It's been two weeks now of casual TV and streaming 1080P watching. Still don't see any banding but again I'm probably not as critical. I got the WOW disc and tried to calibrate it briefly, only to find what I thought was perfect the night before looked totally wrong the next day. So back to the saying that calibration needs to be done for each viewing condition. I ended up just playing around with the adjustments (the smartphone app is much easier to work with) until the picture looks OK.

One thing that I find unsatisfactory compared to my old Panny plasma is the speaker output. They need to be cranked way up. The blueray home theater system they included with the TV helped quite a bit, except I get this weird humming noise from the player whenever there is sound. Phone call to tech support says this is the normal sound it makes when the HT is "processing." Totally lame excuse for probably a noisy fan or some cheap component inside. needless to say that noise is annoying enough to make the HT unusable.

Otherwise the panel is pretty awesome.
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I'm looking forward to your thoughts (and settings) after calibration! This is just a shot in the dark but could one of the HDMI cables involved be one of the lower bandwidth types? For your HDMI/HDCP passthrough to work all of the cables will have to be of the 18Gbps variety I think. If one isn't it may not have enough bandwidth to pass all of the data, this is a real blind guess but I've seen enough cheap HDMI cables cause problems to at least suggest it.

I would also try connecting the device directly to the TV to see if you get full HDCP audio/video without the AVR in between. That would eliminate the AVR at least. Good luck!
Well I didnt think of that. I already switched the HDMI to input 2 on the display and it has no problems at all. Passes everything just fine. IIRC only HDMI 4 supports HDCP 2.2 so the rest should be 1.4, so I would think switching to 1.4 would work on HDMI 4 but that doesnt appear to be the case and I cannot find anything being mentioned like this online. Its definitely an HDCP issue. All firmware is updated on my A2040 and the AX800. Might be an issue with the cable box.

I'm going to test more devices and inputs to see what I can find. I'll let you all know.

If all else fails I can just use HDMI 2 and just use the 2nd input from my Oppo to HDMI 4

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I'm looking forward to your thoughts (and settings) after calibration! This is just a shot in the dark but could one of the HDMI cables involved be one of the lower bandwidth types? For your HDMI/HDCP passthrough to work all of the cables will have to be of the 18Gbps variety I think. If one isn't it may not have enough bandwidth to pass all of the data, this is a real blind guess but I've seen enough cheap HDMI cables cause problems to at least suggest it.

I would also try connecting the device directly to the TV to see if you get full HDCP audio/video without the AVR in between. That would eliminate the AVR at least. Good luck!
Thanks for the suggestion on this. I figured it out. First I just switched the port, but then I began thinking more about it and I think you are correct in terms of the bandwidth of the HDMI cables. I didn't switch them but I did go into my AVR and switch the 4K mode. from Mode 1 to 2. The difference being Mode 1 is as follows:


MODE 1
Inputs/outputs 4K (60 Hz/50 Hz) signals in 4:4:4, 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 format.
(4:2:0 format only for VIDEO AUX [HDMI/MHL IN] jack)
Depending on the connected devices or HDMI cables, videos may
not be displayed correctly. In this case, select “MODE 2”

MODE 2 (default) Inputs/outputs 4K (60 Hz/50 Hz) signals in 4:2:0 format
• When “MODE 1” is selected, use a high-speed HDMI cable that supports 18 Gbps.

So I'm guessing it is the cables. Funny thing is that the X900B doesn't require this which is why I didn't think of it. But I don't think the X900B accepts 4:2:0 in 10 & 12bit and then higher chroma will do the 4:4:4, 4:2:2 but it must not have been full bandwidth and probably in 8bit. Where the AX800 is does full bandwidth

So I will have to check out new cables.

and see what happens. Will test all my devices with the mode on and see what happens and go from there. or I could just buy a bunch of HDMI cables in bulk since Im running low anyways and replace all of them

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So Panasonic fans... are the viewing angles as bad as the reviews suggest? I'm struggling with this vs an LG and the thing that worries me the most is the panel. In Best Buy the LG looks a good deal better but of course that is a poor test environment. I'm concerned because reviews seem to indicate viewing angles on this thing are pretty bad.
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So Panasonic fans... are the viewing angles as bad as the reviews suggest? I'm struggling with this vs an LG and the thing that worries me the most is the panel. In Best Buy the LG looks a good deal better but of course that is a poor test environment. I'm concerned because reviews seem to indicate viewing angles on this thing are pretty bad.
If you don't like radial banding in your side angles then I would suggest staying away from this model of Panasonic..
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