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So one last question relative to all of the above. If you try to play a future 10 bit signal on one of today's 8 bit tv's, will it play but at lesser quality? Or will it simply not work at all?
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They don't know what 10-bit does?

Well, nothing an example (or two) can't help:

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Well hold on now. That comparison above looks like a change in source color resolution, not display color resolution. Any current display, when presented with a decent source, will look like the 2nd pix and not the first. I mean really, does anyone have an 8 bit display and have a picture that 'really' looks like that first picture? I don't nor have I ever had one. So again, we have a tendency to confuse source issues with display limitations. This has been going on ever since I've been on AVS.

In fact when flat panels were first introduced, many thought their panels were improperly displaying color gradients when their pictures occasionally looked just like the first one above. I was fortunate enough to have a CRT HD display on hand as well as my Fujitsu flat panel. Both displays showed banding like your first picture because the issue in question was source related. When I popped on a different, better, DVD with similar colors and color gradients, it became clear that either display was absolutely capable of displaying a picture that resembled your 2nd picture. The Fujitsu was not a 10 bit panel.

So again, I'm not sure what degree of improvement a 10 bit panel brings to the table relative to an 8 bit. The numbers are great and talking millions, billions or trillions of colors is great, but what does the picture look like and what are the real OBSERVED differences. I don't know, does anyone, has anyone seen it?
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So one last question relative to all of the above. If you try to play a future 10 bit signal on one of today's 8 bit tv's, will it play but at lesser quality? Or will it simply not work at all?
What exactly won't convert well? How will you physically see the difference? I know. But do you?

I mean it could be an issue later. It's possible. I'm also sure you can buy a. 10bit 4k panel sometime this year.
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Well hold on now. That comparison above looks like a change in source color resolution, not display color resolution. Any current display, when presented with a decent source, will look like the 2nd pix and not the first. I mean really, does anyone have an 8 bit display and have a picture that 'really' looks like that first picture? I don't nor have I ever had one. So again, we have a tendency to confuse source issues with display limitations. This has been going on ever since I've been on AVS.

In fact when flat panels were first introduced, many thought their panels were improperly displaying color gradients when their pictures occasionally looked just like the first one above. I was fortunate enough to have a CRT HD display on hand as well as my Fujitsu flat panel. Both displays showed banding like your first picture because the issue in question was source related. When I popped on a different, better, DVD with similar colors and color gradients, it became clear that either display was absolutely capable of displaying a picture that resembled your 2nd picture. The Fujitsu was not a 10 bit panel.

So again, I'm not sure what degree of improvement a 10 bit panel brings to the table relative to an 8 bit. The numbers are great and talking millions, billions or trillions of colors is great, but what does the picture look like and what are the real OBSERVED differences. I don't know, does anyone, has anyone seen it?
well that ruined my last post lol.

I say it all the time. Are your color transitions really that important? On a rare macro shot of a silk blouse maybe you get slightly more detail.

Or 4k now. With upgraded color as is?

I say dive in. And if those 1080p owners didn't agree they wouldn't even be in this thread.
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Morange, I'm all for more resolution, whether it be horizontal & vertical detail or color detail (otherwise you and I wouldn't be here ). But too often we see people posting pictures that look precisely like what happens when the source is not a good one. Have I seen pictures like the first one on my display? Sure, and it was always a source issue, not a display issue.

I think for anyone to sit here and say with certainty that the difference between 8 bit and 10 bit panels will look like the difference between the first & second picture, is just a bit misleading. The real question IMO, is how good will be our future sources and how well will the display take advantage of those sources? Nobody knows.

I'm really interested in seeing what the degree of improvement will be. But I'm not being naïve enough to think the difference will be a world of improvement until I actually see a world of improvement.
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This was somewhat part of my line of questioning above. How do you know if it's a 10bit panel? I had been shopping, and called Sony several times to find out if the TV I listed has a 10 bit panel, and they can't or won't say.

I assumed if the panel was 10 bit then the input issues could be resolved. So how are you finding out the specs on the panels?
This website will help you with Dolby and 10 bit.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.ph...&id=1390209932 also try
http://televisions.reviewed.com/feat...ference-series
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He bought a Sony 4k days ago.
Good ! He still has time to take it back!
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What exactly won't convert well? .
I don't know if it will convert or not, so that's why I'm asking.

My premise is if I like the picture today, then I will like it for a long time even if better things come out. I don't care about 'wanting more' three years from now. I care about it still playing the content that is popular at that time at its current level of quality.
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I don't know if it will convert or not, so that's why I'm asking.

My premise is if I like the picture today, then I will like it for a long time even if better things come out. I don't care about 'wanting more' three years from now. I care about it still playing the content that is popular at that time at its current level of quality.
Ok gotcha. So short explanation The color transitions have more smoothness because the gradient is much larger. It is also suppose to allow more detail from colors in shadows and such we normally see now as one overpowering color becomes 4 blended colors which they really are 4 blended colors and so because of seeing more color in a transition it is suppose to add depth.

The truth is I have 20/15 eye sight. I can see the issue with 1080p pixelation.

At 4k with color enhancement it's hard to tell the variation we may see. Like Ken is saying we will have to see true 10 bit material on a 10 bit panel before we can really tell.

If it's what's we have out to test now then there will be little difference. Plasma sets, etc have outstanding natural color. But they look dull if the movie is a kids movie. 4k sets display better color.

I'm people say I'm wrong. But after 30 days I can tell you the color is much better.
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Not to derail the current discussion but has anyone played an Xbox One on the HU8550? How does it look? I would be connecting it the the TV via a Denon receiver HDMI 1.4 connection. I am strongly considering buying the Samsung after reading this thread.

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does anyone know is the un75hu8550 is the same as the 65? i havnt been able to see it and for me its between that and the sony?
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does anyone know is the un75hu8550 is the same as the 65? i havnt been able to see it and for me its between that and the sony?
Samsung UN75HU8550 is the same to UN65HU8550 except the screen size.
For me It's about the picture quality and features. Samsung HU8550 is better with features, while XBR65X850B is better in picture quality (except Samsung is better in Motion Clarity).
Maybe you can read http://www.hdtvversus.com/samsung-un...br65x850b.html
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Not to derail the current discussion but has anyone played an Xbox One on the HU8550? How does it look? I would be connecting it the the TV via a Denon receiver HDMI 1.4 connection. I am strongly considering buying the Samsung after reading this thread.
I have a PS4 and Xbox One connected to mine, both look good and input lag is acceptable to me. Hard to go back to the consoles after playing on my PC in full 4K res, though. I'd be truly happy with this TV if not for the issue of 4:4:4 output not working at 4K/60 Hz.
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Samsung UN75HU8550 is the same to UN65HU8550 except the screen size.
For me It's about the picture quality and features. Samsung HU8550 is better with features, while XBR65X850B is better in picture quality (except Samsung is better in Motion Clarity).
Maybe you can read http://www.hdtvversus.com/samsung-un...br65x850b.html
thanks for that article, having a hard time making my mind up
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Hi everyone!

I am extremely stuck between these 2 TV's Samsung UN65HU8550 Vs Sony XBR65X850B and am not sure which is better and why? What are your recommendations and why ? Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Both units are great sets. Samsung might have a tad better picture, but with the recent price drops on the Sony, it is a tough call
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I too am trying to decide between these two sets.

Can anyone tell me if one upscales 1080i or 720p signals better than the other? I think most of the Directtv network sports broadcasts are 1080i and that is what I will watch a lot of.

Also, does one have a sharper picture than the other?

I am leaning toward the Sony due to the price right now. I also like the color on the Sony (at least out of the box). I also prefer passive 3D even though that is not what I will base a decision on.

The upscaling is my biggest concern. I'm sure they both look incredible with 1080p blu rays or any 4K material that can be obtained.

First post.

Thanks!

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I'm in between these two too. The connect box on the Samsung for future upgrades tilts it a little bit more for it. I will make a trip tomorrow to Best buy and see if they will let me fiddle with the settings and get an idea. I guess seeing them in person is the only way to really know (I understand looking at them at store conditions is not the best, but better than nothing).
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It has been a few months since this post was started. I think I have narrowed my choice down to one of these 2. Price is going to be almost identical starting Sunday. So have opinions changed over the last few months on which one of these to go with?
Gaming is not a concern and 3D will probably be watch little.
Other than a comparison in person of both, the things I question are:
Is the connect one a deciding factor, having the ability to update?
Is sony's relationship with 4k a deciding factor, being they have more/easier access to content?
Or does it simply boil down to which picture in the store I prefer? (even though it sounds like both once tweaked at home will perform well)
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what is the consensus here, I don't play heavy gaming but I do play on my ps4 and I do watch a lot of movies and tv shows. I'm also trying to decide whether to get the X850B or 8550 in the 50" option?
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does anyone know is the un75hu8550 is the same as the 65? i havnt been able to see it and for me its between that and the sony?
Samsung UN75HU8550 is the same to UN65HU8550 except the screen size.
For me It's about the picture quality and features. Samsung HU8550 is better with features, while XBR65X850B is better in picture quality (except Samsung is better in Motion Clarity).
Maybe you can read http://www.hdtvversus.com/samsung-un...br65x850b.html
That site compares specs. It never had the 2/sets at once to compare.


The X8550 is against the x900b. The hu9000 is against the x950b.

So that means the comparable Samsung would be the 7000 series against the x850b.

In the end the Samsung wins. This particular match up.

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I couldn't pass up the $2300 sale on the Samsung yesterday. I got it from Best Buy (after much hassle given I had it in my cart but checked out after 9pm PST which is, as far as Best Buy is concerned, no longer Monday). I figure if I don't like it I can return it and get the Sony for $2500 which seems to be its stable price.
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I ordered the Sony over the Samsung for two reasons. All Samsung have active 3D glasses that can introduce crosstalk. This Sony has passive glasses and also has PinP. Never had a bad XBR from Sony.
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My journey began with a love for the Sony. After repeatedly going to the store to view them I began to really like the Samsung's picture. I ended up finding you can upgrade the Samsung and it has a wonderful picture. Win win for me.
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My journey began with a love for the Sony. After repeatedly going to the store to view them I began to really like the Samsung's picture. I ended up finding you can upgrade the Samsung and it has a wonderful picture. Win win for me.
Same story here... I spent countless hours at BestBuy and hhgregg looking at the SONY XBR-65X850B and the SAMSUNG UN65HU8550. At the end I liked the SAMSUNG's picture better and I bought one on Black Friday at hhgregg for $2,297.99. During that sale the SONY was at $2,497.99. I love the SAMSUNG. Its picture is more comparable with SONY's XBR-65X900B (without the price and the "dumbo ears"). It's not the 4K that sold me but the picture quality. Very happy with it!
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My journey started with Sony and switched to Samsung. My first Sony was the KDL40V300 and then I bought a 48" Samsung LCD and then the Samsung Plasma PN58C000. Both of my Samsung TV's went bad. The LCD screen turned all pink and my Plasma has black horizontal lines. What about my Sony? It's in one of the bedrooms and still looking great. Will I buy another Samsung? NO!!!
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Good ! He still has time to take it back!
Why would he take it back? Nothing wrong with the current XBR line of 4K sets. They are as good as anything else out there. So are the Sammys but I'm just saying.

My 65x850 is working pretty well for me. It will NOT make me forget my KURO but it's a solid offering.

Either of these sets is a winner, IMO. They are the best "values" right now amongst 4K sets that won't break your bank but have enough high end features and PQ qualities to satisfy most folks out there. Neither one does blacks extremely well but they get everything else mostly right. I give a slight edge regarding upscaling and color to the Sony and a slight edge to the Samsung for connectivity/options and dark scene detail.

I did the Best Buy fiddle thing for a while too. It was a toss up. I ended up with the Sony. But probably would have been just as happy with the Sammy.

Having to decide between these two sets is soooooo First World Problems.....

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How do fast moving sports, or fast moving scenes look on the 8550? The New York Jets are the biggest and most important factor for this tv so if it won't look good on the 8550 and will look better on the 7150, then the 7150 it is.. I have read that the hu8550 doesn't do that well with fast moving scenes.... Since you have seen both, maybe you can give me your view.. I can't really tell at best buy since they have that dumb ass samsung reel playing which makes everything look good...

Honestly I would rather buy a 1080 set now and just get the 4k when the technology advances in the next 2-3 years.. I just don't wanna get the 4k and when the better panels and such come out, I'll be screwed. The one connect can only keep you current so much.


I dont think any tv on earth will make the Jets look better.

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After two hours at BB today comparing the Sony against the curved Samsung side-by-side with the same video playing the Samsung blue-grey cast was clearly evident. All alone the Samsung looked great. Being a former Samsung proponent, I was impressed with Sony and purchased it.

3D is going to change spec again. Not so concerned about 3D - rarely ever watch it. However, I do appreciate the extremely smooth control of the new Sony over the Samsung 4K.
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After two hours at BB today comparing the Sony against the curved Samsung side-by-side with the same video playing the Samsung blue-grey cast was clearly evident. All alone the Samsung looked great. Being a former Samsung proponent, I was impressed with Sony and purchased it.

3D is going to change spec again. Not so concerned about 3D - rarely ever watch it. However, I do appreciate the extremely smooth control of the new Sony over the Samsung 4K.
Unless you adjusted settings the blue\grey cast is most likely due to that. That why is never a good idea to compare 2 sets in store unless you bring\ask for a remote. Even then the environment its in will make comparisons difficult.
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Hi folks.
The Sony 3D thing is strange indeed. Is it passive or active? Usually passive used the basic non-powered movie theater 3D glasses. Active meant powered 3D glasses. At least that was my understanding. So, does the sony 900B actually need powered 3D glasses or non-powered? And... is there such a thing as powered passive 3D glasses? If so, would the Sony work with the non-powered 3D glasses? What exactly will work on the Sony 900B? Passive? Active? Powered? Non powered? Granny glasses? I'm confused much. The Sony manual is just as confusing as the specs on Amazon and youtube reviews. I can't imagine Sony getting their info so incorrect, if it is, especially in their own manual which states passive 3D.
Is it possible the Sony is both passive and active?

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