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So, let me get this straight, as has been the case since day one, the Vizio R series remains vaporware. No release dates, no firm pricing, no nothing other than more speculation and chitter chatter.
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Additionally, the 120-inch model will be sold only for wall mounting. The set, which weighs 365 pounds, will ship with an included wall-mount bracket.

The 65-inch Reference Series model will ship with a tabletop stand and a specially developed wall mount.
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Nearly every press release or preview that has been posted here talks about the R series as having a wider color gamut, saying something like "closer to what the eye can actually see", but nowhere do they actually state what that color gamut actually is. IIRC, the old Vizio R-series website stated something like 80 or 90%of P3-DCI color, but now that statement is nowhere to be found.

The announcer in the cnet video above does state something about "approaching the wider gamut of P3-DCI", but that could mean anything from just above Rec.709 to just below actual P3-DCI. I am concerned that the color gamut has been downgraded from the original promise made in the earlier Vizio website.

It is clear that display color gamuts will get wider and wider in the very near future, so i am hoping this set isn't nearly outdated out of the box....

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The company also isn’t saying exactly what technology it will use to produce a wider color gamut in the forthcoming Reference Series, other than to say that “quantum dot technology has gotten a strong marketing push, but right now the way the technology is packaged and the development that has gone on so far is very similar to the RG phosphor [with blue LED backlight] in the LEDs we are using for color performance and it is a lot more expensive,” said Hwang. “We feel the right time to launch quantum dot is when the performance gets better, so we are currently developing that right now and that will be launched in future product, and that’s when you are going to start seeing color capabilities and color gamut being a lot more than what they are.”
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Ok from the hdguru webpage

"Like other series in the Vizio line, the Reference models feature a full-array backlighting system, but with the most LED lighting zones (384) of all the lines. When available the Reference Series will include 65- and 120-inch models (pricing has not been disclosed). Vizio wasn’t prepared to discuss retail distribution plans for the new high-end TV line, but a company representative said the advanced nature of the technology makes it an unlikely initial fit for the brand’s traditional class of mass merchant retail partners, like Walmart, Target and warehouse clubs.

Traditionally, Vizio has stayed clear of smaller retailers, like specialty electronics stores that typically have the ideal sales support to launch advanced new product technologies like HDR and wide color gamut, so it will be interesting to see how the company takes the Reference line to market. Additionally, the 120-inch model will be sold only for wall mounting. The set, which weighs 365 pounds, will ship with an included wall-mount bracket."

So it seems like Walmart won't be selling the R series initially
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Ok from the hdguru webpage

"Like other series in the Vizio line, the Reference models feature a full-array backlighting system, but with the most LED lighting zones (384) of all the lines. When available the Reference Series will include 65- and 120-inch models (pricing has not been disclosed). Vizio wasn’t prepared to discuss retail distribution plans for the new high-end TV line, but a company representative said the advanced nature of the technology makes it an unlikely initial fit for the brand’s traditional class of mass merchant retail partners, like Walmart, Target and warehouse clubs.

Traditionally, Vizio has stayed clear of smaller retailers, like specialty electronics stores that typically have the ideal sales support to launch advanced new product technologies like HDR and wide color gamut, so it will be interesting to see how the company takes the Reference line to market. Additionally, the 120-inch model will be sold only for wall mounting. The set, which weighs 365 pounds, will ship with an included wall-mount bracket."

So it seems like Walmart won't be selling the R series initially
10 feet that is 7 studs.That's like mounting a Refrigerator
on the wall at 365 pounds.
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10 feet that is 7 studs.That's like mounting a Refrigerator
on the wall at 365 pounds.
Why bother with the wall at that point? Just frame the thing directly into the house to hold the top floor up.

Can't wait to read about the first guy to try putting screws directly into wallboard....
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Why bother with the wall at that point? Just frame the thing directly into the house to hold the top floor up.

Can't wait to read about the first guy to try putting screws directly into wallboard....
This made me laugh...you KNOW at some point someone will try to mount it to drywall...

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Unlikely. Display in Magnolia has nothing to do with TV quality and everything to do with how much the manufacturer is willing to pay.

Vizio has historically been a cheapskate when it comes to expensive marketing promotions (which is a major reason they cal sell TVs for less than Damsumg and Sony), and I doubt that is going to change now.

If I had to guess, I'd say we have more likelihood of the R65 showing up at Walmart (at least online) than the magnolia room (especially because of the Walmart/Vudu link ).
I definitely agree Walmart will sell them online whether from there website or a link to it from another retailer.


If bestbuy carries it that will be a good sign that the R series isn't limit quantity production. I just can't imagine vizio wanting the R up on the wall to drown in the sea lcd tvs playing the standard bestbuy demo loop. I would atleast hope it could find an end cap that can display what this tv has to offer. Sales floor location would be problematic to see how well fald design works since its the highest number of zones since the sharp elite.
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I definitely agree Walmart will sell them online whether from there website or a link to it from another retailer.


If bestbuy carries it that will be a good sign that the R series isn't limit quantity production. I just can't imagine vizio wanting the R up on the wall to drown in the sea lcd tvs playing the standard bestbuy demo loop. I would atleast hope it could find an end cap that can display what this tv has to offer. Sales floor location would be problematic to see how well fald design works since its the highest number of zones since the sharp elite.
Best Buy sells Vizio by me. I am positive they will sell the Vizio R as well. I could even see the R65 or eventually the R75 making it to Costco. Don't think they would every be in a standard Wal Mart.
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This made me laugh...you KNOW at some point someone will try to mount it to drywall...
It's fine guys, it's 5/8ths drywall.
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Why bother with the wall at that point? Just frame the thing directly into the house to hold the top floor up.

Can't wait to read about the first guy to try putting screws directly into wallboard....
Good point. It seems like it would fit in better in dedicated theaters, although how you'd get it to the room without taking down walls is beyond me.

If I ever get to a dedicated theater, I'll use the handy dandy large OLED screens that you can roll up

They should be available by then
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Good point. It seems like it would fit in better in dedicated theaters, although how you'd get it to the room without taking down walls is beyond me.

If I ever get to a dedicated theater, I'll use the handy dandy large OLED screens that you can roll up
I did a rough calculation a couple years ago, that the average 7 foot doorway can fit something like a 171" screen on angle. So most places will likely get it into a family room. It's the folks trying to get the thing up the stairs and around the corner that will fail.

Yes, TVs in 15 years are likely going to look nothing like today's.
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Does anyone have any product recommendation on the ideal back-lighting to deploy on an R65 running HDR? One of the concerns cited here repeatedly is the potential for scorching discomfort in a dark room condition. Would adding backlighting help alleviate this concern? Is backlighting beneficial, even if not necessary, with respect to appreciating the improved color depth? I was thinking a CIE D65 (6500K) bias lighting from the rear of the display, similar to what is used by the mastering studios but I wasn't sure if there were already good products used in the AV community.

On a separate note, does anyone have any clever schemes for a clever cable management strategy that utilizes all of the outputs of the R65. If the system comes stocked with integrated 5.1 I plan on abandoning my receiver which means many more HDMI cables from the devices directly to the monitor rather than a dedicated receiver for switching. A wall mount would have many hydra tenticles spewing out (A/V, power, CAT5) causing cable management to become a big concern for me. Thoughts?
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Regardless if it's in the magnolia store best buy will be selling these Tvs . They do sell the p series so they will def sell the R
Absolutely - I was specifically commenting on Magnolia

P.s. Now if the R65 is the hottest thing since sliced bread and Magnolia wants to put it on display without charging Vizio the usual display fees, that would be a different story
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Ok from the hdguru webpage

"Like other series in the Vizio line, the Reference models feature a full-array backlighting system, but with the most LED lighting zones (384) of all the lines. When available the Reference Series will include 65- and 120-inch models (pricing has not been disclosed). Vizio wasn’t prepared to discuss retail distribution plans for the new high-end TV line, but a company representative said the advanced nature of the technology makes it an unlikely initial fit for the brand’s traditional class of mass merchant retail partners, like Walmart, Target and warehouse clubs.

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So it seems like Walmart won't be selling the R series initially
More importantly, it seems as though Value Electronics and Cleveland Plasma might .

Chris, Robert, are you listening? It might be a good to reach out to Vizio - it sounds like they could use some help selling Flagship TVs...
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Nearly every press release or preview that has been posted here talks about the R series as having a wider color gamut, saying something like "closer to what the eye can actually see", but nowhere do they actually state what that color gamut actually is. IIRC, the old Vizio R-series website stated something like 80 or 90%of P3-DCI color, but now that statement is nowhere to be found.

The announcer in the cnet video above does state something about "approaching the wider gamut of P3-DCI", but that could mean anything from just above Rec.709 to just below actual P3-DCI. I am concerned that the color gamut has been downgraded from the original promise made in the earlier Vizio website.

It is clear that display color gamuts will get wider and wider in the very near future, so i am hoping this set isn't nearly outdated out of the box....

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The company also isn’t saying exactly what technology it will use to produce a wider color gamut in the forthcoming Reference Series, other than to say that “quantum dot technology has gotten a strong marketing push, but right now the way the technology is packaged and the development that has gone on so far is very similar to the RG phosphor [with blue LED backlight] in the LEDs we are using for color performance and it is a lot more expensive,” said Hwang. “We feel the right time to launch quantum dot is when the performance gets better, so we are currently developing that right now and that will be launched in future product, and that’s when you are going to start seeing color capabilities and color gamut being a lot more than what they are.”
Somewhere it states 100% DCI-P3 (70% Rec.2020).
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I definitely agree Walmart will sell them online whether from there website or a link to it from another retailer.


If bestbuy carries it that will be a good sign that the R series isn't limit quantity production. I just can't imagine vizio wanting the R up on the wall to drown in the sea lcd tvs playing the standard bestbuy demo loop. I would atleast hope it could find an end cap that can display what this tv has to offer. Sales floor location would be problematic to see how well fald design works since its the highest number of zones since the sharp elite.
The R65 will be in Best Buy and widely available.

The only place you are likely to see an R120 is in a specialty retailer like Value Electronics (if Robert and Vizio reach an agreement ) - the R120 will be a direct /custom order product only...
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Somewhere it states 100% DCI-P3 (70% Rec.2020).
Thats interesting, so the JS9500 is ~94% DCI P3 and ~ 90% rec 2020 from what I remember, I thought the r series would have been closer to that figure
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Thats interesting, so the JS9500 is ~94% DCI P3 and ~ 90% rec 2020 from what I remember, I thought the r series would have been closer to that figure
If the JS9500 is 94% of DCI P3, then it can't be 90% rec.2020, since the DCI P3 is a subset of the rec.2020.

Here's the comparison - the purple triangle is rec.2020, violet is DCI P3, orange is the current 709.



Even if a display achieves rec.2020, we're still reproducing only 57.3 of the human visible spectrum.
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If the JS9500 is 94% of DCI P3, then it can't be 90% rec.2020, since the DCI P3 is a subset of the rec.2020.

Here's the comparison - the purple triangle is rec.2020, violet is DCI P3, orange is the current 709.



Even if a display achieves rec.2020, we're still reproducing only 57.3 of the human visible spectrum.
AYK, you're looking at only 2 of the 3 dimensions of the CIE chromaticity diagram. I don't know what generated the stats, but the classic "slice" you see is the high saturation one, so they may be talking about the percentage of colors that can be reached, not the percentage of the what's visible to humans.
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AYK, you're looking at only 2 of the 3 dimensions of the CIE chromaticity diagram. I don't know what generated the stats, but the classic "slice" you see is the high saturation one, so they may be talking about the percentage of colors that can be reached, not the percentage of the what's visible to humans.
I thought the 2 dimensions represented were hue (angle from white) and saturation (distance from white), leaving the brightness dimension unrepresented except for the slice seen.

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@fafrd ..ok seems Disney is on board

"Theater experiences are evolving and Dolby is leading the charge. Dolby Laboratories and The Walt Disney Studios today announced today that Disney’s ‘Tomorrowland’ and the Disney-Pixar film ‘Inside Out’ will be the first Dolby Vision titles to be shown at Dolby Cinema locations around the globe. In addition, Disney’s The Jungle Book, due out April 15, 2016, will also be presented in Dolby Vision, with more titles to be announced."
http://theslanted.com/2015/04/18958/...rs-insid
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I see people talking about the logistics of getting the 120" around corners or up stairs. This is not a set you will be able to run down to Best Buy and pick up. It is still my understanding that the 120" will be a made to order set. I highly doubt this will cost less than $100,000 and probably closer to $200,000.

Vizio is great at keeping costs down but you can't do that if you don't mass produce. This will be for large convention centers, casinos, and Saudi oil sheiks.
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I see people talking about the logistics of getting the 120" around corners or up stairs. This is not a set you will be able to run down to Best Buy and pick up. It is still my understanding that the 120" will be a made to order set. I highly doubt this will cost less than $100,000 and probably closer to $200,000.

Vizio is great at keeping costs down but you can't do that if you don't mass produce. This will be for large convention centers, casinos, and Saudi oil sheiks.
I say the monster 120" TV will sell for 10-15 Grand.. It will be that cheap to such a large TV set.
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I thought the 2 dimensions represented were hue (angle from white) and saturation (distance from white), leaving the brightness dimension unrepresented except for the slice seen.
Yeah, that's essentially correct.
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This made me laugh...you KNOW at some point someone will try to mount it to drywall...
Yeah, but with really large anchor bolts..........................................
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@fafrd ..ok seems Disney is on board

"Theater experiences are evolving and Dolby is leading the charge. Dolby Laboratories and The Walt Disney Studios today announced today that Disney’s ‘Tomorrowland’ and the Disney-Pixar film ‘Inside Out’ will be the first Dolby Vision titles to be shown at Dolby Cinema locations around the globe. In addition, Disney’s The Jungle Book, due out April 15, 2016, will also be presented in Dolby Vision, with more titles to be announced."
http://theslanted.com/2015/04/18958/...rs-insid
This is pretty big news...

Also, found this article on the competing HDR standards: http://www.cedmagazine.com/articles/...mple-after-all

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AYK, you're looking at only 2 of the 3 dimensions of the CIE chromaticity diagram. I don't know what generated the stats, but the classic "slice" you see is the high saturation one, so they may be talking about the percentage of colors that can be reached, not the percentage of the what's visible to humans.
It's actually what the naked human eye can see as described here. The values themselves are calculated as described here.
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HDGuru article on Vizio Reference with some good detail on Dolby Vision implementation: http://hdguru.com/vizio-launches-m-s...-dolby-vision/
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Great summary of the high end TV's and the largest sizes...

http://www.wired.com/2015/04/best-tvs-right-now/

Dear Vizio, if you follow threads like this lets have the 120" details! If we can hit 25k and under then I am a buyer. I know most people on this thread think that is too much but if you have ever had a true home theater then you know that cost is reasonable. Screen + 4k High lumen output projector + wiring + installation + dimming + headache of bulbs&dust&maintance = 25k or more and you may still not have the clarity of an enclosed backlit set. Not to mention annoyingly having to keep the lights dim and keep your kids and drunk friends from walking into the projection field.

Let's do this thing Vizio and bring high end home theater home!

College football Saturday's, Pro Sunday's, Final Fours, Star Wars, LOTR's, and massive Call of Duty sessions await in epically fun proportions on this set!!!
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