thanks for that - I'd been wondering if this would be a good set as a monitor ever since Imagic's review on this site mentioned it would be a great candidate for a monitor.

I received my 70p yesterday and after performing my standard OCD un-boxing ritual of checking for cracks and shipping damages, I powered it up. I ran through Vizio’s initial start-up process and displayed the internal grayscale test patterns to check for stuck/dead pixels and for any uniformity issues. It passed the test and surprisingly, it was extremely uniform across all intensities. I have not received my PRO2 from Tom and I was going to break out my profiled display 3 pro, however, I just wanted to do some preliminary testing. I selected calibrated dark (and not having a meter hooked up), dropped the backlight down to 20, and adjusted contrast/brightness/color/sharpness via my disc. Then I entered advanced setup and turned off all processing (which seemed to be the entire menu). I left on local dimming and set gamma to 2.4. Moving onto content, The Amazing Spiderman 2 1080p source direct out of my OPPO BDP-93 looked pristine considering Vizio was doing all the processing to scale this video to the native resolution of the panel. With sharpness set to 0, the image remained crisp and free of artifacts. Next was Netflix. I selected the first UHD movie I came across (which happened to be The Smurfs 2), I was blown away (not by the movie) but the resolution. The picture quality was phenomenal. Lastly, I wanted to put the P through some dark room testing and check Vizio’s local dimming implementation limitations. I stuck with calibrated dark, ran through my 2% patch 21-point grayscale, and check for blooming at all intensities. Surprisingly, blooming was minimal as I think this is due to Vizio not completely turning off its backlight unless nothing is displayed on the screen. However, I did find an anomaly. Calibration dark seems to have a completely different dimming algorithm than any other preset. I noticed this when I went to save under a custom name and once saved, the blooming was almost magnified by 50%. I didn’t find this acceptable and decided to re-run another test. I deleted the new custom saved preset and brought calibrated dark back to factory. Next, I changed one setting (sharpness), so I can get the asterisk next to the calibrated dark preset. Then, I saved it again under a custom name and as soon as I hit save, the same anomaly happened again (a complete backlight shift). I will have to do some further testing but it seems like with this current firmware 1.0.0, calibrated dark seems to have the best local dimming implementation over the rest of the presets, however the local dimming scheme cannot be saved to a custom preset. Only the settings can be saved. I will do some more testing this weekend once my meter arrives and I’ll update you once completed.

Ryan

How do I output audio from my TV to my AVR? I see HDMI port #1 is labeled as Audio out, I have an HDMI cable attached to my AVR from that output but there's no audio coming over to the AVR. Any ideas?

I have my AVR attached to HDMI 5 as input. I want to output audio from broadcast TV to the DVR. I could get an optical digital cable if necessary, but if I could just do with what I already have, that would be perfect.

you may have to enable CEC under the system setting...

i've got HDMI 1 Arc connect to a the Vizio 5.1 soundbar Hdmi..
and getting audio for everyday use..
and Optical cable to the AVR if i want the full sound.

I just searched google because I was curious about the WAN speed requirements for streaming 4k, this is what Netflix says but other users who actually use it might have a better answer.

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444

Are you saying it can't meet HDMI 2.0 specs? I thought that was necessary for 4k at the higher framerates though?

Can someone explain why Netflix is calling for 25Mbps or higher. My DSL provider maxes out at 20Mbps and would have to switch to cable modem and that would be a pain.

I've fought with my P55 since about the 25th of last month. Using an EVGA 970. Hopeless, getting [email protected] will not work. No 4:4:4 support, and Nvdiai doesn't do 4:2:0 over the HDMI connection...

I was really, really wanting to liek this set. With 5 other Vizios in this house, I've always been a fan.. however... it'll be going back to Costco on Saturday, as I pick up the Panasonic AX800. PC testing with that, even over HDMI, were great.

I can confirm the local dimming differences between Calibrated Dark and other modes, including that the differences 'magically' go away if you save a customized Calibrated Dark. It seems to mostly have to do with the backlight not ramping up nearly as much - I find even with Backlight of 100, it's slightly dimmer than my 'Video Calibration' setting that's using Backlight of 28 with Clear Action off. Also rather interestingly, Clear Action on is actually slightly brighter than Off when using Calibrated Dark. Grayscale (and hence overall color balance) also looks very slightly different so different grayscale settings would be necessary for it to be 100% dialed-in. OTOH, presumably since the backlight never ramps up very much (even with Backlight of 100), blooming is extremely minimal and the trailing effect is almost impossible to notice, even in a completely dark room...

I have read through most of this thread and, unfortunately, a lot of the tech talk goes way over my head. Would appreciate your opinions on the 65" vs 70" however here is some background information first:

• Replacing a Sony 50" DLP
• Viewing distance = 10-11 feet
• Location = basement with no natural light
• Primary use = 80% console gaming and 20% movie/TV viewing
• Viewing angle is a concern as I have 1 spot that is pretty much on center; the other seats' viewing angle probably ranges from 20-30 degrees though I'm no mathematician
• Good color and deep blacks are important too
• I don't have any 4K media currently

I know it is recommended to get the largest TV you can afford based on your viewing distance. So, I'm interested in the Vizio P series 65" or 70". Based on my criteria above, which would be the best choice? My biggest concern is viewing angle and it seems all of the P series may have poor viewing angles. As far as colors/black levels, is there a big difference between the 65 and 70?

Finally, my other choice is the Sony W850B 70". It also has a low lag time and better viewing angles than the P series (based on Rtings.com). I don't think I'll see any of the 4K benefits due to my viewing distance? So maybe the Sony is the best choice? It is cheaper too at Best Buy with the mover's coupon.

Thanks all!

Thanks for your thoughts. Well the AX800 is certainly an upgrade, but it does come with some serious extra cash requirements, more than I'd be willing to pay for a monitor and I'd actually prefer the smaller 50 inch size when it comes out since I'd be closer to the screen.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts on the AX800 though elsewhere!

Becsuse 4k takes bandwidth. I hope you realize even at 25Mbps these are "bit starved" encodes and on the lower end of the 4k scale. The suggested bandwidth of 25Mbps is to ensure you have enough headroom for when streaming 15-18+Mbps movies and shows. Otherwise you'll be getting HD.


Sent from an system/360

He's been wrong twice so far with this "insider information" so really I wouldn't put all that much stock in it.


I'm lost in the blue nowhere.

that's my point how much headroom do you need. if the movie is 15Mbps do you really need 67% at 25Mbps more headroom?

How do I output audio from my TV to my AVR? I see HDMI port #1 is labeled as Audio out, I have an HDMI cable attached to my AVR from that output but there's no audio coming over to the AVR. Any ideas?

I have my AVR attached to HDMI 5 as input. I want to output audio from broadcast TV to the DVR. I could get an optical digital cable if necessary, but if I could just do with what I already have, that would be perfect.

Is ARC enabled?

It's a recommendation as the "steady" often means spikes could reach or exceed that amount. If you don't reach the recommended speed they don't say what will happen, but I would expect degraded quality. Many people say they have 25Mbps connection but due to all of the variables between the user and Netflix you may not even get close to that number.


Sent from an system/360

Is the 55" really to be avoided? That's my sweet spot one for max size and visual balance.

Wondering if that's what it should normally say , or should it say 2160HD ?
thanks . Calibrations wise Still trying to see which of the ones posted I like better on my P70

Fantastic side-by-side comparison - thanks.

Would people please, please stop quoting whole super-long posts to comment on them? Please???

Hello everyone, I just purchased a P552UI-B2 from Best Buy and the experience hasn't gone too well. The first one had a cracked screen out of the box with a bad spiderweb look. I took it back and exchanged it for another which I calibrated with buzz's settings and It looks great except when displaying a black background It has flash lighting around the bottom right corner and possibly the others though the other corners appear to change depending on the viewing angle. The bottom right also has what appears to be a bad light leak. While it doesn't affect viewing I believe it may be related, I rubbed gently along the sides to see it I noticed a changed and heard many pop and light snapping sounds as if either the frame or screen was not properly seated but did not observe any difference on the screen. The right speaker also has a very light static sound when the volume is near 25 or above that the left does not produce. I'll post some pictures of the screen problems later tonight.

My question is, is it worth exchanging and hoping I'll get one without any problems or are these issues normal for this set and panel? I've been contemplating taking it back and getting a XBR55X850B or saving towards a XBR55X900B as I've had good experiences with Sony in the past though I'm worried the black levels might not be as satisfying on the 850B. I use the set mostly for PC, PS4 gaming and some blu-ray but don't really watch cable.

Supposedly there's a 50" AX800 as well, or maybe there was and it was discontinued... I haven't been able to find it. All I know is that Best Buy allowed me to bring my PC in, and test it. BAM! 4K/60hz right on boot, over the HDMI connection. They didn't have a Display Port cable in stock we could test with.
I had high hopes for the Viz. Because of it's reasonable price, it would have allowed a 3 "monitor" setup without breaking the bank for racing sims...

No need to take things personally. It's not like he called the Vizio horrible for gaming. He just stated that between those 2, he'd go for the other panel given his measurements and experience with the motion blur related issues on both panels.

.. from history on the plasma side of this Forum, its been a big 'no-no' to transport big-screen sets, especially 70" size, on its sides; the stress on the corners is a major weakness .. even though plasma uses diff. panels. It should have been transported, standing up. Should have found another friend and/or vehicle to transport.