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Has anyone compared the Vizio P series to the Sony XBR-850A? If using picture quality as the main judge, which is better?
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I actually read and followed that whole thing. Over the course of 4 hours nothing i could do resulted in anywhere near perfect numbers. I tried so many different numbers that after a while it got semi close to the rgb "numbers" but then i did the % looking between red, green and blue and it wasn't close to 100/100/100. I cant win They need a button that tries all the combos for you or something.
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Parks and Recreations Season 5 looks 4k-ish on Netflix running from the TV. Therefore everything else looks better than you are used to. I was shocked how good it looked and remember it not looking this good on a 1080p tv. So I did some comparison tests with the same P70 just under different Netflix apps on HDMI5 , windows 8.1 app

Anyone know if its doing upscalling? 1080i content from cable has no improvement on quality but swap over to Netflix and you can see a huge difference. Some scenes looked as good as "The black list ''

I would like to figure out why it looks so much better on the Vizio Netflix app. If its doing upscaling then the catalog of high quality picture on Netflix just went up big time. Old shows didn't look as good so im thinking just shows that have that super HD feature will.
Cable boxes may not be giving you the best upscaling possible. In the case of Netflix, you are seeing a "pure" signal coming in that is then worked on (if needed) by the Vizio.

One thing that may help the cable signal is if the cable box has a "native" output, set that as your choice. Some don't (I have the Comcast X1 and that does not have it). What this does is to take the cable box out of the upscaling business.

The cable box takes the signal as it comes in (480p, 720p, 1080i) and simply rebroadcasts it to its output. That lets the Vizio do the upscaling of a signal untouched by other processing.

In the Oppo threads, since the Oppo 10X's can take an incoming signal and process it, the preferred way of dealing with cable signals is exactly that. No reason why the Vizio wouldn't benefit from the same.
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Those are standards of Wifi protocol that have evolved over the years. Wireless G had a theoretical max of 54mbps, Wireless N is a standard that came after and is what most devices today are on, it has slightly higher speeds and range. Wireless AC is the newest standard that is just coming out (and supported on the P-Series) which offers big improvements in range and speed. It also runs on the relatively un-used 5GHz radio spectrum vs 2.4GHz for wireless N and G which has the potential for a lot of radio interference from other things (other people's networks, microwave ovens, etc.). The Apple Airport Express is Wireless G and N only.
Any thoughts on why my laptop is getting 49.12 dl speed and the 70P is showing 13.94, wired is not any better? The (WD n600) is right next to the tv.
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Before we give each other high fives because one owner thought the only advantage the F8500 has over the P60 is viewing angles perhaps it should be pointed out that the F8500 handily won every PQ attribute except for Day Mode (obviously this mode signifies a well lit room but not to the extent of a sun drench room) and it even won that category but just by a little bit against the FALD televisions from Sony and Samsung at the 2014 HDTV Shootout.

Either Vizio with the P series pulled some rabbit out of the hat or those with supposedly impressive credentials are not mistaken with their opinion that the ZT60/VT60/F8500 will outperform any current FALD television in every meaningful PQ attribute except for resolution (but not motion resolution).

Obviously the TV with the best PQ is not necessarily the best TV as there are multiple factors in determining the later such as a room facing south with a huge window(s).

Who's giving high fives? All I have seen are people taking that "one members" report as just that "one members report". Not sure why some people think there is a need for some type of "reality check" as there is plenty evidence that these TVs DONT work for everyone. Now because one member preferred his TV over the plasma he had it seems people are going to take issue with it. In the end who really gives a flying feather. It's one member and one member only. There is more than one meme bet who went from P series BACK to Plasma and found that (Plasma) superior. I guess we should dismiss those and post in their owners thread that it was "one members opinion" and really doesn't count. If anything people have been steering other members to the f8500 multiple times when asked to compare the two. Just makes me scratch my head that se people need to post things like this.

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I actually read and followed that whole thing. Over the course of 4 hours nothing i could do resulted in anywhere near perfect numbers. I tried so many different numbers that after a while it got semi close to the rgb "numbers" but then i did the % looking between red, green and blue and it wasn't close to 100/100/100. I cant win They need a button that tries all the combos for you or something.

4 hours is nothing especially for a beginner. I would expect a full weekend at minimum unless the TV is easy to calibrate. I believe it took Buzz 10 hours and he has years of experience and much better equipment. Also you should NOT be seeking perfection or you will be chasing the dragon for a long time. What you instead need to find is a "happy" middle ground and go for that. What you are trying to get is something accurate as possible not perfect and your 1st few runs until you figure out the controls will probably end up bad. It may be best to watch that techtv video calibrations Leo's OLED. That will walk you through basics. Once you got the basics down I would then try calibrating again. When you run into issues go to the P series calibration thread and ask detailed questions about what you are seeing.


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What is the basic difference between the sharp 60"panel and the 65" AUO? BB had the 65" on display and it looked really good. I was hoping to get a 60"....just wondering if there are significant differences.
BB's newspaper Sunday supplement has an ad and photo of the P65.
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4 hours is nothing especially for a beginner. I would expect a full weekend at minimum unless the TV is easy to calibrate. I believe it took Buzz 10 hours and he has years of experience and much better equipment. Also you should NOT be seeking perfection or you will be chasing the dragon for a long time. What you instead need to find is a "happy" middle ground and go for that. What you are trying to get is something accurate as possible not perfect and your 1st few runs until you figure out the controls will probably end up bad. It may be best to watch that techtv video calibrations Leo's OLED. That will walk you through basics. Once you got the basics down I would then try calibrating again. When you run into issues go to the P series calibration thread and ask detailed questions about what you are seeing.


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Review of the P70 vs the M65...
I have recently purchased the P70 for my viewing room in my house I also have the M65 in my living room. Some of you are interested in the differences noticed and if it is worth the additional cost.
I have not completed my calibration of the unit yet so this is just an initial review. I will update the post once I finish calibration. Note that the two tvs are in separate rooms so this review is based on going back and forth between rooms and comparing the same content. This is just going to be a quick straight to the point review as I will provide a more detailed review later once I calibrate the P70

Black levels:
The M65 has pretty good black levels given the FALD dimming, however with the increase of dimming zones with the P series it is definitely improved. Blacks still seem a little crushed on both the M65 and P70 but after calibration I will report back to inform you if this is just an artifact of the dimming scheme or lack of calibration.

Color:
I cant really comment on this yet as I have not finished my calibration but out of the box it is clear that both the M65 and P70 are a good bit off in terms of color accuracy. The P70 does in fact have the red push, however it is not a big deal at all. I would say that 90 percent of users would never even notice it. The other 10 percent would only notice it if they are a calibrator themselves or have been keeping up with this forum and try to pick apart the picture. seriously not a big issue at all.

Viewing angles:
This was my main concern for the 60 and 70" P series. The colors do hold slightly better on the M65 but the P70 viewing angles are much much better than I was thinking after reading this forum. Do not let it scare you away. The M60 I had previously was much worse in terms of viewing angles than the P70. I cannot comment on the P60 as I have yet to see one but the P70 viewing angles work for me just fine. Even when viewing from my kitchen (approximately a 60 degree angle) the picture is still very watchable. Of course you can notice a difference but its not the end of the world.

4k vs 1080P
I played blacklist on both tvs in order to do this review. The picture quality even though the P70 is not calibrated was much better on the P than the M. I am sitting 14 feet back from the P70 and can still easily see that there is an increase of sharpness in the tv.

Conclusion: While the M series is a great budget tv that provides exceptional picture quality for the price I have to say the P is the clear winner. Is it worth the premium in price? ABSOLUTELY If you are considering the M vs P then I highly recommend that if you can afford it to go ahead and get the P series. If you have any specifit questions let me know and I will update the post with my answer. Also remember this is a very quick review I will provide a more detailed review once I level the playing field.
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Just to confirm the new p series can do 4k 4:2:2 60hz just not 4k 4:4:4 60hz?
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Review of the P70 vs the M65...
I have recently purchased the P70 for my viewing room in my house I also have the M65 in my living room. Some of you are interested in the differences noticed and if it is worth the additional cost.
I have not completed my calibration of the unit yet so this is just an initial review. I will update the post once I finish calibration. Note that the two tvs are in separate rooms so this review is based on going back and forth between rooms and comparing the same content. This is just going to be a quick straight to the point review as I will provide a more detailed review later once I calibrate the P70

Black levels:
The M65 has pretty good black levels given the FALD dimming, however with the increase of dimming zones with the P series it is definitely improved. Blacks still seem a little crushed on both the M65 and P70 but after calibration I will report back to inform you if this is just an artifact of the dimming scheme or lack of calibration.

Color:
I cant really comment on this yet as I have not finished my calibration but out of the box it is clear that both the M65 and P70 are a good bit off in terms of color accuracy. The P70 does in fact have the red push, however it is not a big deal at all. I would say that 90 percent of users would never even notice it. The other 10 percent would only notice it if they are a calibrator themselves or have been keeping up with this forum and try to pick apart the picture. seriously not a big issue at all.

Viewing angles:
This was my main concern for the 60 and 70" P series. The colors do hold slightly better on the M65 but the P70 viewing angles are much much better than I was thinking after reading this forum. Do not let it scare you away. The M60 I had previously was much worse in terms of viewing angles than the P70. I cannot comment on the P60 as I have yet to see one but the P70 viewing angles work for me just fine. Even when viewing from my kitchen (approximately a 60 degree angle) the picture is still very watchable. Of course you can notice a difference but its not the end of the world.

4k vs 1080P
I played blacklist on both tvs in order to do this review. The picture quality even though the P70 is not calibrated was much better on the P than the M. I am sitting 14 feet back from the P70 and can still easily see that there is an increase of sharpness in the tv.

Conclusion: While the M series is a great budget tv that provides exceptional picture quality for the price I have to say the P is the clear winner. Is it worth the premium in price? ABSOLUTELY If you are considering the M vs P then I highly recommend that if you can afford it to go ahead and get the P series. If you have any specifit questions let me know and I will update the post with my answer. Also remember this is a very quick review I will provide a more detailed review once I level the playing field.
Thanks for your observations. I would appreciate any observations on comparisons between the two sets with 480p/DVD and 720/1080i and 1080p content. Thanks!
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http://www.divx.com/en/hevc-showcase

The Kaz and Shane O'Neil videos here work on the Vizio. Just right click the icons at the bottom and select "save link as".
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Does the P-Series upscale automatically? I thought it did.

But when I connect my PS4 -> HDMI5 on the P502uiB1 info says its still 1080p. Does anyone else see that?

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Does the P-Series upscale automatically? I thought it did.

But when I connect my PS4 -> HDMI5 on the P502uiB1 info says its still 1080p. Does anyone else see that?

It doesn't display what the TV is displaying it displays what the source is sending to the TV (at least this is usually how it works with other TVs). The TV itself is upscaling to UHD. If your input was sending "4k" that's what it would display. Try a 4k clip via USB and check again


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Does the P-Series upscale automatically? I thought it did.

But when I connect my PS4 -> HDMI5 on the P502uiB1 info says its still 1080p. Does anyone else see that?
Every fixed pixel TV upscales or downscales to the panels native resolution.
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4 hours later and calibrating the P65. Followed all the guides i could find for HCFR and welp....got nowhere did a ****ton of changes and there was never a good 100%/100%/100% balance sigh. I need a program for dummies that works for xrite ipro3 OEM or someone to trade my chromapure calibrated OEM version for a retail version.
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I know this question has been asked somewhere in this thread, so I apologize in advance for asking it again.

I had a 70P with the dark clouding issues and vizio replaced it. No muss, no fuss.

But right before they came and got it, I noticed that sometimes I'd see a small line, probably only a pixel or two wide, start at the middle of the screen and rise to almost the top and then stop. The line looks like two pixel's worth of static, stretched across the width of the screen.

When it stops moving near the top, everything below the line is fine, and everything above is ghosting, as if it's a frame or two ahead or behind.

I thought, oh well, you're getting a new one anyway and didn't say anything. But now my new one is doing it too. It only happens occasionally, and when it happens, it happens on every input. I've swapped inputs and cables to no avail, so I think it's screen related.

I thought I read a post awhile ago from someone else with this issue. Thoughts? Could it just be a HDMI handshake issue that affects every input? TIA!
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I thought, oh well, you're getting a new one anyway and didn't say anything. But now my new one is doing it too. It only happens occasionally, and when it happens, it happens on every input. I've swapped inputs and cables to no avail, so I think it's screen related.

I thought I read a post awhile ago from someone else with this issue. Thoughts? Could it just be a HDMI handshake issue that affects every input? TIA!
Good question. It might have something to do with varying input resolutions on the 70, and maybe the 60 and 50 as well. Do the thread a favor: The next time you see it, switch to some other program source and see if you are still getting it. Then switch back and tell us what you see.

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P70 directly from Vizio

I just ordered by P70 directly from Vizio. Has anyone else ordered from them and if so how long did it take for delivery?

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I know this question has been asked somewhere in this thread, so I apologize in advance for asking it again.

I had a 70P with the dark clouding issues and vizio replaced it. No muss, no fuss.

But right before they came and got it, I noticed that sometimes I'd see a small line, probably only a pixel or two wide, start at the middle of the screen and rise to almost the top and then stop. The line looks like two pixel's worth of static, stretched across the width of the screen.

When it stops moving near the top, everything below the line is fine, and everything above is ghosting, as if it's a frame or two ahead or behind.

I thought, oh well, you're getting a new one anyway and didn't say anything. But now my new one is doing it too. It only happens occasionally, and when it happens, it happens on every input. I've swapped inputs and cables to no avail, so I think it's screen related.

I thought I read a post awhile ago from someone else with this issue. Thoughts? Could it just be a HDMI handshake issue that affects every input? TIA!
I have the same issue with my 55", very frequently. Switching HDMI ports and back in the menu a few times usually works.
That being said, I became a Panasonic AX800 owner last night, sorry guys. I really, really wanted the Viz to work for my needs, but not being able to get 4K/60 over a PC really hurt it. It goes back to Costco today.

The Panny did it right out of the box.
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on my M series 47" picture is nice and sharp on nbc, cbs, abc, i have verizon fios cable, Why doesn't my 70" P series have just as good a picture or better?
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on my M series 47" picture is nice and sharp on nbc, cbs, abc, i have verizon fios cable, Why doesn't my 70" P series have just as good a picture or better?
You see the flaws in the picture on a 70" screen a lot more than you see them on a 47" screen. Also make sure not to run cable into HDMI5.
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Well, I just took the plunge and ordered the 60" from Best Buy. I'm a little nervous, but damn do I want a FALD set with low input lag. Sadly, the store is booked up on deliveries so it won't be here for a little while. If something goes from within the return period will they come and pick it up for you? The sales associate was cagey about that.

Now I just need to pick up a bigger entertainment stand and force buzzard to come down to the GB area to calibrate the Vizio when it arrives.
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Does the P-Series upscale automatically? I thought it did.

But when I connect my PS4 -> HDMI5 on the P502uiB1 info says its still 1080p. Does anyone else see that?
Just a curious question. How are you liking your 50. I just bought mine and waiting for shipment? Also could you confirm what type of pannel it is? Thank you in advance
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Hello all I'm new to this forum, and I'm interested actually in the p50 I put one on layway. It's going to be used for 4k 60hz gaming, 1080p 120hz gaming, ps4, watching blu rays and sports will this tv fit all my needs or do I just need to spend more money? I'm coming from a samsung hlt5087 which is a 50 inch led dlp. That tv is great but not so much now that I've built a monster PC and it's showing it's age(almost 8 years) thank you in advance
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Before we give each other high fives because one owner thought the only advantage the F8500 has over the P60 is viewing angles perhaps it should be pointed out that the F8500 handily won every PQ attribute except for Day Mode (obviously this mode signifies a well lit room but not to the extent of a sun drench room) and it even won that category but just by a little bit against the FALD televisions from Sony and Samsung at the 2014 HDTV Shootout.

Either Vizio with the P series pulled some rabbit out of the hat or those with supposedly impressive credentials are not mistaken with their opinion that the ZT60/VT60/F8500 will outperform any current FALD television in every meaningful PQ attribute except for resolution (but not motion resolution).

Obviously the TV with the best PQ is not necessarily the best TV as there are multiple factors in determining the later such as a room facing south with a huge window(s).

What panel type were the Sony and Samsung FALD TVs in the 2014 shootout?

The P70 (and other sizes except the P55) are VA and deliver class-leading native contrast level at the cost of poor off-axis viewing performance.

To dismiss Buzzard767's informed and thoughtful comparison because of the results of other TVs in the 2014 VE Shootout is nonsense.

Regardless of what you are anyone else may say or think regarding past performance or more highly-acclaimed competitors performance, I believe it is now a foregone conclusion to the entire industry that Vizio has succeeded to pull a rabbit out of a hat with the P Series.

If you need wide viewing angles, go elsewhere (or possibly the P55), but if plasma-class black levels in a dark-room viewing environment (and only for a limited sweet-spot viewing cone) are a top priority, the non-55" P Series represents a breakthrough in LED/LCD TV technology (especially considering the price).

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Does the P-Series upscale automatically? I thought it did.

But when I connect my PS4 -> HDMI5 on the P502uiB1 info says its still 1080p. Does anyone else see that?
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PS4 can be enabled for 4K resolution for videos, the interface, and movies through Hulu or Netflix, but it will not have the capability to display games in 4K

"The PS4 supports 4K output, but only for photos and videos; not games. PS4 games do not work on 4K."
http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation..._4K_Resolution
Unless you were playing 4K video or photo or IPTV (Netflix or Hulu 4K ) to TV from the PS4 to TV it would be 1080p if that was your PS4 setting .

All 4K TV sets upscale automatically to the panels 4K resolution. LCD panels can only display native resolution .

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I was about to order a P50 yesterday but Costco removed it within the hour that I went to order. I'd rather not go through Vizio where shipping is $100 and returns come with a restocking fee (even though I have a 10% off coupon). Has anyone heard anything about Costco or Best Buy getting some in? I know someone mentioned the P50 wouldn't be stocked until January but how credible is that info?
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