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Bummer to hear. Have not had the chance to check it out yet... and sounds like i might as well not.

Most of the content is not so great, but I thought the Moving Murals series of clips and the Red Bull clips look very good in 4k.


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What is the procedure for returns with Vizio ? They ship you out a new TV and pick up the bad one ?
I'm a new Vizio owner as of about 2 hours ago, and I'm already about to find out! The customer service rep said they'd set up a return- but yes, it appears they ship out a new one and pick up the bad one at the same time.

My Samsung PN51E7000 completely went out on me last week, so I decided to buy a Vizio P60. It was delivered this evening through Best Buy. Was pretty excited until I hooked it all up and... nothing! It appears the backlight is coming on (I can see a dim bluish tinge where menus SHOULD be appearing, the blurry blobs even move if I toggle through things on the remote) but no picture at all. Vizio says the TV needs to be replaced. Not sure if I want to do it through them, or through Best Buy. Looks like either way I'm out for another 8-10 days. Bummer.

I wonder if it gets any harder to get a working TV around Superbowl time..
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I haven't found it in the Torrents yet but found it on You tube that was posted 19 hrs ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs1TMs0LyDo
Even at 22,200 kbps, this video at 4k has horrible compression. I'm afraid any youtube 4k will be crap.

If you want to witness the full video, I recommend downloading it from http://www.demo-uhd3d.com

Again, these videos will play smoothly on a capable pc using MPC-HC and using the standard EVR renderer.
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I'm a new Vizio owner as of about 2 hours ago, and I'm already about to find out! The customer service rep said they'd set up a return- but yes, it appears they ship out a new one and pick up the bad one at the same time.

My Samsung PN51E7000 completely went out on me last week, so I decided to buy a Vizio P60. It was delivered this evening through Best Buy. Was pretty excited until I hooked it all up and... nothing! It appears the backlight is coming on (I can see a dim bluish tinge where menus SHOULD be appearing, the blurry blobs even move if I toggle through things on the remote) but no picture at all. Vizio says the TV needs to be replaced. Not sure if I want to do it through them, or through Best Buy. Looks like either way I'm out for another 8-10 days. Bummer.


I wonder if it gets any harder to get a working TV around Super Bowl
Can you drive to Costco and pickup the p70? You can plan to return the p60 to bestbuy
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I'm a new Vizio owner as of about 2 hours ago, and I'm already about to find out! The customer service rep said they'd set up a return- but yes, it appears they ship out a new one and pick up the bad one at the same time.

My Samsung PN51E7000 completely went out on me last week, so I decided to buy a Vizio P60. It was delivered this evening through Best Buy. Was pretty excited until I hooked it all up and... nothing! It appears the backlight is coming on (I can see a dim bluish tinge where menus SHOULD be appearing, the blurry blobs even move if I toggle through things on the remote) but no picture at all. Vizio says the TV needs to be replaced. Not sure if I want to do it through them, or through Best Buy. Looks like either way I'm out for another 8-10 days. Bummer.

I wonder if it gets any harder to get a working TV around Superbowl time..
I would go through Best Buy. It would be faster. I ended up buying a Sony KDL70W850B, better PQ than P-Series Vizios.
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I would go through Best Buy. It would be faster. I ended up buying a Sony KDL70W850B, better PQ than P-Series Vizios.
The Sony 1080P has a better picture ?

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If I had the extra cash I would go with the p70.
I went with too many returns with p65.
This p65 is far best one I got. Been noticing few things on it not that I'm looking for problems. Me I feel update messed it up looked good before the update. Try to swap it for p60 bestbuy wouldn't do it due to all my exchanges. I might call again see if I get someone else that might be more helpful.
What exactly is Best Buys TV return policy? I'm thinking of picking up a P70 from BBuy or Costco. I believe walmart return policy on TV's is 90 days?
I got when it was holiday return until jan 15th. I think I'm expire from exchange or swap.

Bestbuy reg return 14 days from the date of purchase. If your elite member you get 30days.
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The P60 is nearly flawless imo once calibrated! Took back a p55 for the killer $998 Sams deal. Big difference

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What Sam's deal are you talking about? I see it posted on Sams for $1448.00
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Amazon has a great TVS return policy. Pick up with no charge. I think 30 days.

Does this TV auto switch inputs or at least bring up the menu when I turn on other devices? I liked that feature on the LGA but doesn't seem like this has it..
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I got my local best buy to price match Costco's P502ui-B1 price since it doesn't look like Costco is getting any more stock. After some calibration it's working fantastic, I have it wall mounted and I'm using it as a PC monitor and it looks great... However, for some reason the HDMI 5 input seems to keep reinitialize itself. Sporadically the screen goes black for about a second, then the image comes back with the HDMI source, wifi bar and picture mode at the top. Anyone else have this issue? I'm on the latest Firmware.
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***Audiophiles, please stop reading here.***





If anyone is intersted in a MATCHING soundbar - the 38" Vizio S3820W is only $47 at Best Buy (in store only). 1/26/15.

Its an aesthetic match for the P-Series and a good fit for the 50" model as it is not wide enough to fully block the remote sensor when both TV and soundbar are placed onto a stand. After a short break-in period, and when paired with a decent powered sub (which I happen to have on hand) its actually pretty decent for stereo listening.




***Audiophiles, you may now begin reading again.***
Thanks for the heads up BB was sold out got Walmart to price match nice sound bar for 50$
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I'am a B1E owner and I got the update last week,

Also where do I find the torrent videos like the Samsung Swiss alps demo ?
Thanks
What settings are you using for your B1E just picked one up are you using it as a monitor also?
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I haven't found it in the Torrents yet but found it on You tube that was posted 19 hrs ago.
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Even at 22,200 kbps, this video at 4k has horrible compression. I'm afraid any youtube 4k will be crap.

If you want to witness the full video, I recommend downloading it from http://www.demo-uhd3d.com

Again, these videos will play smoothly on a capable pc using MPC-HC and using the standard EVR renderer.
The P-series does not support the codec used by YouTube for the 4K videos. When you select one from the Vizio's YouTube App you will actually be getting the YouTube 1080p stream instead, which are generally mediocre at best, and certainly well below Blu-ray 1080p quality and way below a what most expect for non-bit starved UHD video. Some other UHD TVs (e.g., Sony, Samsung, etc.) do support the VP9 codec being used by YouTube for 4K video and will certainly look better when streaming these videos in actual 4K resolution, but since all YouTube videos have overly limited data rates (as do streaming video services in general) they still cannot fully demonstrate what the UHD TVs are really capable of. Ultra HD Blu-ray, coming this fall, will use data rates 5 times (or more) higher than Netflix, Amazon, UltraFlix, YouTube, etc. and should be able to truly demonstrate what UHD is really capable of picture-wise, at least for the best transfers that take full advantage of the increased resolution, greater bit-depth and expanded color space offered by this new disc format..
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The Sony 1080P has a better picture ?
In my opinion and experience yes. The P-Series only look good with 4K content because P-Series do not upconvert the feed to 4K like the Samsung, LG, Sony and Sharp 4K TV do.
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In my opinion and experience yes. The P-Series only look good with 4K content because P-Series do not upconvert the feed to 4K like the Samsung, LG, Sony and Sharp 4K TV do.

What Gus said is wrong. The P does upconvert everything to its native resolution. While he may prefer the look of the Sony, it does not mean it's not upconverting to 4k. If this didn't happen the. Everything that was below 4k would be windowboxed.


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In my opinion and experience yes. The P-Series only look good with 4K content because P-Series do not upconvert the feed to 4K like the Samsung, LG, Sony and Sharp 4K TV do.
It has to upscale it to 4k. It's a 4k-native set, there's nothing else it can do. 1080p content looks amazing on my p50 to me, but to each his own.
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It has to upscale it to 4k. It's a 4k-native set, there's nothing else it can do. 1080p content looks amazing on my p50 to me, but to each his own.
Which p50 do you have and what settings are you using...just picked up the B1e
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Trying to narrow down my purchase. My current TV is about at the end of its life otherwise I would wait until OLED drops but anyway. Looking at some 4K TVs I loved the picture of the p60 but it was sitting next to a 60" Samsung 8550 and LG 9700 and I couldn't help but notice how much the color between the Vizio and other two displays differed. It looked like the Samsung and LG had a completely different color "pallet" to choose from. Of course, they weren't running the same 4k demo so that could have been the difference. I also noticed in a couple of reviews that the color display of the Pseries (P65 in particular) was brought up.

Anyone with the P60 have complaints with the color? Is this just a calibration issue?
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What Sam's deal are you talking about? I see it posted on Sams for $1448.00
A couple of weeks before Thanksgiving, Sam's had a "members only" sale on a Saturday morning and had the P60 for $998--an absolute steal! I was lucky enough to get one at that price and I have been very happy with my purchase.
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Trying to narrow down my purchase. My current TV is about at the end of its life otherwise I would wait until OLED drops but anyway. Looking at some 4K TVs I loved the picture of the p60 but it was sitting next to a 60" Samsung 8550 and LG 9700 and I couldn't help but notice how much the color between the Vizio and other two displays differed. It looked like the Samsung and LG had a completely different color "pallet" to choose from. Of course, they weren't running the same 4k demo so that could have been the difference. I also noticed in a couple of reviews that the color display of the Pseries (P65 in particular) was brought up.

Anyone with the P60 have complaints with the color? Is this just a calibration issue?

I don't have any complaints on the color. What you'll need to do however is decide what type of settings you'll be using at home. The in store demos are usually set to torch mode to attract your eyes. If you don't know what settings are then it's not a good idea to "shop" this way. If you want accurate then any of them will most likely do what you need. I'd give the edge to Samsung, but since the others are edge lit you'll have drawbacks when watching at night. Personally I'll take the few flaws that revamp series does have for the $ saving and improved dark room performance. That and I don't expect to keep the p60 for many years.


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I really want to see how the P series upscales but the ones on the showroom are all in demo mode with no way to hook up another source. The only 4K set I've seen upscale is the Samsung 65" 9000 series. Best Buy always shows Avatar on this set and I must say I was highly unimpressed. In fact, upscaled 1080P on the Samsung looks more like 720P. Unless there was something wrong with this particular display, 4K TV's will not sell themselves off their upscaling abilities alone.
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I really want to see how the P series upscales but the ones on the showroom are all in demo mode with no way to hook up another source. The only 4K set I've seen upscale is the Samsung 65" 9000 series. Best Buy always shows Avatar on this set and I must say I was highly unimpressed. In fact, upscaled 1080P on the Samsung looks more like 720P. Unless there was something wrong with this particular display, 4K TV's will not sell themselves off their upscaling abilities alone.
Upscaled 1080p on the P70 looks pretty fantastic, but don't take my word for it.

I've had pretty good luck showing up at best buy with a Bluray disk and asking them to hook up a Bluray player to a TV for me to test.

The other think you can do is load an MKV file into a flash drive and play 1080p through the USB port.

Checking black levels and shadow detail on the showroom floor is pretty much impossible, but checking upscaling capability should be easy.

P.s. I will be shocked if you or anyone else returns a P70 because it upscaled poorly (have no direct experience with other screen sizes).
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Trying to narrow down my purchase. My current TV is about at the end of its life otherwise I would wait until OLED drops but anyway. Looking at some 4K TVs I loved the picture of the p60 but it was sitting next to a 60" Samsung 8550 and LG 9700 and I couldn't help but notice how much the color between the Vizio and other two displays differed. It looked like the Samsung and LG had a completely different color "pallet" to choose from. Of course, they weren't running the same 4k demo so that could have been the difference. I also noticed in a couple of reviews that the color display of the Pseries (P65 in particular) was brought up.

Anyone with the P60 have complaints with the color? Is this just a calibration issue?
You can't compare the Samsung or LG 4K with Vizios since Vizios 4K only do 8 bits of color. The Samsung, LG and Sony do 10 to 12 bits of color. So most likely you are watching 10 bits of color demos, which will look much better than Vizios.

The LG 9200 series is closer to Vizios P series, but the LG still has a little bit better blacks than Vizios.

You also have to put into account that Vizio hardware is good, but their software isn't taking full advantage of the hardware.

That's probably the reason why Vizios upscaling option doesn't look as good as other TVs.
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Upscaled 1080p on the P70 looks pretty fantastic, but don't take my word for it.

I've had pretty good luck showing up at best buy with a Bluray disk and asking them to hook up a Bluray player to a TV for me to test.

The other think you can do is load an MKV file into a flash drive and play 1080p through the USB port.

Checking black levels and shadow detail on the showroom floor is pretty much impossible, but checking upscaling capability should be easy.

P.s. I will be shocked if you or anyone else returns a P70 because it upscaled poorly (have no direct experience with other screen sizes).
Well, I'm more looking for a family friend right now. I bought a 70" Elite two years ago and can't really justify making the next buy yet. My next set will have to be 80" minimum with FALD. I'd love to buy the upcoming Vizio R series 120" but I'm sure I'd have to sell my house to afford it lol. That thing will likely cost $150,000.
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Upscaled 1080p on the P70 looks pretty fantastic, but don't take my word for it.
How does Netflix HD on demand look upscaled to 4K on the P70?
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Wow - more bad news! Just got off the phone with Best Buy support and they tell me the P60 is now a 'deleted item' in their system. They were unable to find a replacement to ship me from their warehouse (None of the stores in my area have the P60 in stock.)

Does this indicate Vizio will be updating this line?

My only options now are to return the TV for a refund, or to try to have it replaced through Vizio directly. I've gone from being excited about being a new Vizio owner to wondering if I even NEED a TV in the course of about 10 days ah, boy.
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You can't compare the Samsung or LG 4K with Vizios since Vizios 4K only do 8 bits of color. The Samsung, LG and Sony do 10 to 12 bits of color. So most likely you are watching 10 bits of color demos, which will look much better than Vizios.



The LG 9200 series is closer to Vizios P series, but the LG still has a little bit better blacks than Vizios.



You also have to put into account that Vizio hardware is good, but their software isn't taking full advantage of the hardware.



That's probably the reason why Vizios upscaling option doesn't look as good as other TVs.

There are no major release 10 bit demos. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from. The vizios while using 10bit panels don't do "end to end" processing of 10bit (most TVs don't from last year). Most all content (blu-Ray/streaming/etc) are all 8bit.

Do you have reviews that point to better black levels?


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Wow - more bad news! Just got off the phone with Best Buy support and they tell me the P60 is now a 'deleted item' in their system. They were unable to find a replacement to ship me from their warehouse (None of the stores in my area have the P60 in stock.)

Does this indicate Vizio will be updating this line?

My only options now are to return the TV for a refund, or to try to have it replaced through Vizio directly. I've gone from being excited about being a new Vizio owner to wondering if I even NEED a TV in the course of about 10 days ah, boy.

It could just be a mistake in their system. We have seen these types of things happen off and on especially when stock is low/gone. If you need a replacement and BB can't service you now, I'd go through Vizio if you want to keep the TV.


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You can't compare the Samsung or LG 4K with Vizios since Vizios 4K only do 8 bits of color. The Samsung, LG and Sony do 10 to 12 bits of color. So most likely you are watching 10 bits of color demos, which will look much better than Vizios.

The LG 9200 series is closer to Vizios P series, but the LG still has a little bit better blacks than Vizios.

You also have to put into account that Vizio hardware is good, but their software isn't taking full advantage of the hardware.

That's probably the reason why Vizios upscaling option doesn't look as good as other TVs.
Every panel in the P series other than the B1E model have 10 bit panels, according to Vizio at least. I actually have a buddy with an LG 49UB8500 and I didn't think it looked as good as the P series I've seen. I found the blacks on the LG kind of washed out comparitively after calibration. Although that being said, I do not have a proper calibration tool, so what I say could be a moot point. That and I may have to factor in just a tiny bit of cognitive dissonance .

Also does anyone have any idea what might be causing the handshake issue I'm having above. The HDMI 5 seems to keep reinitializing itself, running on my desktop 1920x1080 @120 hz, works great but every so often the screen flashes to black for a second or two as if having no signal input, then the signal, wifi and Picture mode appear above as though I had switched inputs.
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It could just be a mistake in their system. We have seen these types of things happen off and on especially when stock is low/gone. If you need a replacement and BB can't service you now, I'd go through Vizio if you want to keep the TV.


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I do! This series isn't that old, is it? The P60 is hanging on my wall and it looks perfectly sized for my room. Just wish it could display images! Hopefully things go smoother through Vizio.

[Update] They did! What a difference good customer service makes. I uploaded a photo of my receipt to Vizio, and with a single 3-minute phone call they are sending me a replacement in 5-7 days. They'll take the non-working TV, and said they'd even re-wall mount the new one for me and make sure it works. Wow, that was easy.

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