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Nice video find.
You can see this and more videos over on the UK site under "Features." Scroll right.


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As Smart TV: Japan it is promoted, Operation Direct Voice in the AX900, without using remote control (hands free)

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This videos are all listed over in the Anticipation thread. If any are missing, please PM me.
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The AX900's execution of this technology is obviously central to Panasonic's claim of "plasma-like" PQ. Mark, when you do your up close testing, I'm particularly interested in seeing close-up pictures of the outter edges of objects displayed against a black background.
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Mark - what do you know about the 8000 point LUT processing of the AX900?

I'm one the guys who helped put together the LightSpace/eeColor LUT combo and I know a lot about 3D LUTs. Just like every display's primaries and secondaries calibrate differently and each display must be calibrated individually, the same thing applies to LUTs which is something I do externally. What's the deal with the new Panasonic????
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The AX900's execution of this technology is obviously central to Panasonic's claim of "plasma-like" PQ. Mark, when you do your up close testing, I'm particularly interested in seeing close-up pictures of the outter edges of objects displayed against a black background.
I am in Denmark and I have the AX900 in for review. I have taken a close up for you.
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Mark - what do you know about the 8000 point LUT processing of the AX900?

I'm one the guys who helped put together the LightSpace/eeColor LUT combo and I know a lot about 3D LUTs. Just like every display's primaries and secondaries calibrate differently and each display must be calibrated individually, the same thing applies to LUTs which is something I do externally. What's the deal with the new Panasonic????
I must admit, I know next to nothing about this topic as it pertains to this TV. I intend to discuss it next time I meet up with Panasonic.

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Oh I do not have 5 posts yet. Go to flic.kr/p/pPDBen
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Do not know if anybody has talked about fan noise yet? But it is noticeable. I count 4 fans on the rear.
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I find it interesting that Panasonic will require Vivid to be employed on in store demos and/or have the factory default set at vivid. Why do all these great things to enable a really good picture competitive with a professional monitor and then show the consumer, spend $8K (or whatever Panasonic will set MSRP at and Best Buy will sell it that) and this is what you get, the picture at Vivid. Most consumers will select that mode and if it by chance is changed, will set it back to vivid to give what they saw and purchased. The picture at vivid.
Michael Price, VIERA Product Specialist at Panasonic UK, is a true picture quality aficionado and recognises that people similar to him, you and me cannot wait to alter the settings to a more authentic profile. On a personal level, he would love nothing more than to ensure that the in-store and factory default is set to the authentic profile. However, in his professional life he is absolutely *adamant* that, sadly, acting on such idealism would result in commercial suicide: whether in the most mainstream of supermarkets or the most specialist of AV boutiques, to a potential customer browsing casually in a shopfloor environment, the TV would appear to be inferior when placed adjacent to competing sets and therefore it would be immediately dismissed out-of-hand.

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... the AX800 to the right which is certainly IPS).
Nope, the AX800 does not use an In Plane Switching panel, it uses a Vertical Alignment panel:

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Updated 25 March 2014:: Correct info supplied by senior Panasonic TV engineer from Japan added.
Today, we also learnt about the difference between the AX900/AX902 and the step-down AX800/AX802 4K Ultra HD TVs. The Panasonic AX800 – comprising the 50in TX-50AX800, the 58in TX-58AX800 and the 65in TX-65AX800 – features edge LED backlight with pseudo-local dimming (branded as “Local Dimming PRO” by the Japanese manufacturer). The LCD panel type is VA with active 3D capability.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ax900-201403243688.htm

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Picture Quality

Black Level & Contrast Performance

Once we pegged peak white luminance to 120 cd/m2 as per our normal review protocol, the native black level on the TX50AX802B’s VA-type LCD panel measured 0.056 cd/m2 on both a full-field video black signal and a 4×4 ANSI chequerboard pattern. To the credit of Panasonic’s TV engineers, the Viera AX802/ AX800 doesn’t partake in any auto-dimming shenanigans when asked to display a full black screen unless [Adaptive Backlight Control] was engaged.
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Here is Sound And Vision Tom Norton's take on the hands on preview:
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The event included a side-by-side comparison of, from left to right in the image above, the flagship set from brand S, a small OLED monitor, the TC-65AX900, a Panasonic TC-65AX800U (edge lit local dimming) and a (now discontinued) Panasonic TC-65ZT60 plasma (the latter not visible here).

All of the sources were 2K, upconverted to 4K in all of the sets except the ZT60, which is a 2K set...

Comparisons such as this are incredibly difficult to administer correctly and fairly (I’ve done it myself many times), and those done here involved the sets in their out-of-the-box default modes.

The black level on the 2K ZT60 looked to be a bit too high (on one brief dark scene it was distinctly inferior to the other sets, and I know this should not be the case). The plasma also had its motion interpolation turned on (motion compensation on a plasma is equal to a moustache on the Mona Lisa); it was turned off at our request.
http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...p-ultra-hd-tvs

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I understand the FALD, but do we know how many zones? It's been proven in the past that more zones = greater control, so for manufacturers pursuing FALD, I don't understand why they would go with less than say 300 zones on a 65" - it's really only software at that point anyway.
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Superior real-world performance in spite of an apparently inferior paper specification is exactly why Panasonic are not promoting the number of dimming zones in the D-LED ('Direct-LED backlight with full-array local dimming', to quote in full the term that Panasonic uses) AX900. The 'Local Dimming ULTRA' brand, which Panasonic are using more comprehensively for the AX900, encompasses a number of features including the fact that each individual dimming zone / field can be at one of five levels. If the number of zones were to be publicised then there is a risk that a disproportionate amount of attention might be focused on it. Indeed, it may be the case that competitors' dimming zones can only be On or Off, i.e. two levels, and therefore present a real-world risk of producing halos around bright objects that the AX900 avoids, but a focus on the headline figure might succeed in diverting attention away from this shortcoming. "All zones are not created equal" is what I would say!

We see an example of this with the Vizio P Series: after the CES announcement, many commentators spoke breathlessly about how impressive it was for the company to be able to include 32 or 64 dimming zones in such low-priced products; but reading through the Owners' Thread of the retail sets delivered in early October, it transpires that real-world performance hasn't been completely stellar. When comparing their paper specs, the similarly-priced AX630 might well come across as inferior, but it'll be interesting to see a real-world head-to-head next month...

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I am VERY disappointed to hear about the fans! Do all 4k tvs use fans or just FALD? I'm not putting up with fan noise.
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Thanks for uploading! When will you complete your review?
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They have gone into hyperdrive with outsourcing, have torn down their AV division, and have placed TVs under the Appliances (hair dryers anyone?) division. You can read more about this corporate move here (along with this very symbolic divestiture), but they are signaling a move away from consumer electronics: http://www.strata-gee.com/2014/10/14...molished-sold/
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Financial Announcements

Fiscal 2015

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News Release

Presenter: Senior Managing Director Hideaki Kawai
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July 31, 2014

Consolidated Financial Results for First Quarter
ended June 30, 2014

Panasonic Group [PDF: 15KB]
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* As of April 1, 2014, home entertainment products such as flat panel TVs of main products were transferred to Appliances from AVC Networks.
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Business Segments

Panasonic Corporation is comprised of various business domain companies, from AV to home appliances, to industrial solutions and other consumer electronic products. Each company has its distinct R&D, production, and sales functions that satisfy specific consumer needs worldwide.

Last updated: July 1, 2014

Company
Appliances Company
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Appliances Company

As one of Panasonic’s divisional companies, the Appliances Company aims to become the top-class global appliances company that will contribute to the quality and comfort of people’s lifestyles and to a comfortable society by offering products for a wide range of spaces from households to offices and stores.

About Appliances Company

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2-3-1-1 Noji-Higashi, Kusatsu-city, Shiga 525-8502 Japan
Tel. 81-77-563-5211

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Approx. 51,000

Business
Air-Conditioner Business Division
Refrigeration and Air-Conditioning Devices Business Division
Refrigerator Business Division
Cold Chain Business Division
Laundry Systems and Vacuum Cleaner Business Division
Kitchen Appliances Business Division
Beauty and Living Business Division
Home Entertainment Business Division
Motor Business Division
Smart Energy System Business Division
http://panasonic.net/corporate/segments/ap/

(It seems as though the AVC Networks page on the Panasonic UK website - http://www.panasonic.com/uk/corporat...le/bs-avc.html (via http://www.panasonic.com/uk/corporate/profile.html ) - ought to be updated.)

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33 min - English translation of original Q&A session in Japanese.
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You can see this and more videos over on the UK site under "Features." Scroll right.
For some reason, clicking on that URL doesn't work for me. In case anyone else has the same problem, I'll format it without the 'http' and 'www':

panasonic.com/uk/consumer/viera-televisions/led/tx-65ax902.html

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I would argue otherwise, @SteveCallas :
Please tell me which FALD tv uses LEDs that are either on or off, with no varying levels of brightness. I don't believe that "technology" is anything new.
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