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marcuslaw 01-05-2015 11:05 AM

Panasonic 65CX850U Anticipation Thread
 
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unknownuser200 01-05-2015 12:30 PM

and i finally settled on the ax900 as my set now this! hopefully its not vaporware and will be released this year panasonic makes an excellent product but takes such a long time to release it

Flyfisher68 01-05-2015 02:36 PM

Since I can not find a 2014 AX900 what are the odds on the CX850 for 2015? What is the difference between the two? All I can see is an improvement in the color. If is just done with the software maybe we could see it this year.

sytech 01-05-2015 02:37 PM

So now has this replaced the AX900 in the US market? Or is the AX900 still coming out. At least this one does not have the lean, but the press release only mentions "dozens" of dimming zones as opposed to the confirmed 128 zones on the 65AX900. Also, DigitalTrends is reporting this is using Quantum Dots.

http://icdn5.digitaltrends.com/image...-970x646-c.jpg

unknownuser200 01-05-2015 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyfisher68 (Post 30517394)
Since I can not find a 2014 AX900 what are the odds on the CX850 for 2015? What is the difference between the two? All I can see is an improvement in the color. If is just done with the software maybe we could see it this year.

other than features theey really seem to boasting better colors and a very bright panel as well as deeper blacks.. soo id imagine its a new panel? either way if its an ax900 with better contrast im sold Esp if it really comes in a 55 for the bedroom!

forlorn 01-05-2015 08:32 PM

Reset your clocks. T-minus 12 months. :D

unknownuser200 01-06-2015 01:38 AM

hmmm the 55 is also 90% which sux even the ax800u is 98% so there going backwards on the smaller sizes?

vatore 01-06-2015 01:47 AM

AX900 Listed at Best Buy
 
I was in Best Buy and saw a chart comparing different Panasonic TVs and the AX900 was listed as a 65"LCD LED. I asked the sales person if they had this model in stock, he checked and said no. I asked what the deal was with them listing the model, where is it and where can I get it? He told me that the chart was part of promotional materials provided by Panasonic. All other TVs in the chart were in stock. WTF Panasonic??

marcuslaw 01-06-2015 02:26 AM

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Two pics from CES taken during Panasonic's presentation by c|net apparently of the CX85O. If the illustration shown in the second image is describing a feature of the CX850, it might be incorporating the 3D LUT first featured in the AX900 series (unless Joe Taylor was using the illustration to describe the AX900 at the time).

http://images.scribblelive.com/2015/...634baea81f.jpg

http://images.scribblelive.com/2015/...38ce4bb361.jpg

marcuslaw 01-06-2015 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by vatore (Post 30533498)
I was in Best Buy and saw a chart comparing different Panasonic TVs and the AX900 was listed as a 65"LCD LED. I asked the sales person if they had this model in stock, he checked and said no. I asked what the deal was with them listing the model, where is it and where can I get it? He told me that the chart was part of promotional materials provided by Panasonic. All other TVs in the chart were in stock. WTF Panasonic??

The 65AX900 is a "special order" item currently available for order, or pre-order as the case may be, only at Best Buy Magnolia stores. It is, however, not currently listed on the Magnolia website. Also, according to unnamed reps, the AX900 will not be sold on the Panasonic U.S. website. Check out the AX900 Anticipation or Owners threads for more info.

unknownuser200 01-06-2015 10:11 PM


well comfirmed its a VA panel :)

unknownuser200 01-06-2015 10:37 PM


fluxo 01-07-2015 12:06 AM

Panasonic CX850U Anticipation Thead
 
The CX8xx leaves room for a CX9xx model. There is already one report that Panasonic will release an OLED in the autumn. Could that be a CX900?

And what happened to "B"?

marcuslaw 01-07-2015 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by fluxo (Post 30571289)
The CX8xx leaves room for a CX9xx model. There is already one report that Panasonic will release an OLED in the autumn. Could that be a CX900?

And what happened to "B"?

That it may be. I'm about ready to do an about-face on the AX900 absent complete firmware (or otherwise discovered) fixes of the light bleeding and a hefty price drop. Should those two things occur, I might still hold out for the 65AX900 particularly if the CX850U won't feature 3D (which is a "must have" for me).

sytech 01-07-2015 08:14 AM

This is turning into quite the [email protected] for the AX900. It appears they are basically scraping the set for the US market and replacing it with the cheaper CX850. In the process it looks to lose the IPS panel that gave it those great viewing angles and appears to have a lot less dimming zones.
Also, I noticed in the Panasonic press video she never mentions blu-ray when showing the worlds first 4K blu-ray player. Instead calling it the 4K HDR player and streamer. Later it looks like someone placed a upside down blu-ray on top of it when they put it on display. Wish they would have been further along with the prototype and had some 4K packaging mock ups for the movie studios.

SeeMoreDigital 01-07-2015 08:23 AM

For anyone who's interested, I've just been issued some Panasonic UK press release links: -

Panasonic Unveils its CX850 Flagship 4K UHD TV Series

Panasonic Unveils 2015 Line-up of 4K Ultra HD “Beyond Smart” TVs

Panasonic Viera News


Enjoy :)

marcuslaw 01-07-2015 02:50 PM

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Official product page already launched on Panasonic U.S.! NEW! AX850 4K ULTRA HDTV Series - 85" Class (64.5" Diag.) TC-85AX850U (shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-85AX850U)

UPDATE: This was posted in error. The AX850 is the long overdue big brother to the AX900. See Panasonic's October 16, 2004 press release here.

marcuslaw 01-07-2015 03:18 PM

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Caleb Denison and Joshua Sherman of Digital Trends have retracted a small portion of their original story claiming that the CX850U will feature quantum dot tech (the original title of the post was "Panasonic teases 4K Blu-ray, flaunts new flagship 4K UHD TV with quantum dots" and now its shortened to "Panasonic teases 4K Blu-ray, flaunts new flagship 4K UHD TV"). But that's okay gents. ;) Instead, as is explained in their latest video embeded in the lead post, Panasonic is using a phosphorus coated LED for more accurate whites and a wider color gamut.

forlorn 01-07-2015 03:29 PM

Just wanted to offer a retro dedication to the latest Panasonic boondoggle:


zehoo 01-07-2015 03:31 PM

I wonder what the input latency will be like on one of these.

MCaugusto 01-07-2015 03:48 PM

Well, an 85" UHDTV surprise from Panasonic ! Anyone here expected this one ?
The questions now are : confirmation it is FALD (does the use of "Local Dimming Pro" so indicates it per Panasonic's own nomenclature ?), number of zones (manufacturers better start listing it considering incoming 2015 high-end UHDTVs with FALD from Samsung, Sharp, Sony, etc), price and release time.
It is surprising, though, that this model is already listed at Panasonic's website; Doesn't that indicate this 85" model should be available for sale relatively soon, perhaps by Springtime ?

fafrd 01-07-2015 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by unknownuser200 (Post 30569889)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45WVV2wcQFw

well comfirmed its a VA panel :)


Which is great news - the IPS panel was my biggest issue with the AX900 (aside from the out -of-this-world pricing ;))

fafrd 01-07-2015 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sytech (Post 30579585)
This is turning into quite the [email protected] for the AX900. It appears they are basically scraping the set for the US market and replacing it with the cheaper CX850. In the process it looks to lose the IPS panel that gave it those great viewing angles and appears to have a lot less dimming zones.
Also, I noticed in the Panasonic press video she never mentions blu-ray when showing the worlds first 4K blu-ray player. Instead calling it the 4K HDR player and streamer. Later it looks like someone placed a upside down blu-ray on top of it when they put it on display. Wish they would have been further along with the prototype and had some 4K packaging mock ups for the movie studios.

The AX900 was doomed before it ever hit the ground due to its pricing and then apparent issues, so to me it's not a cluster f*ck but a wise backtrack before more good money follows bad.

And the move from IPS on the AX900 to VA on the CX850 is a significant improvement for who values black levels and shadow detail over widest LED/KCD viewing angles - in fact this is what I had been expecting from the AX900 last year.

If the number of dimming zones has been greatly dumbed-down, that would be the one significant step backwards on the CX850 versus the AX900.

On the other hand, Vizio has proven that 64-72 dimming zones are sufficient to deliver fantastic black levels with a high-native-contrast VA panel (6500:1), so as long as the CX850 has at least 64 dimming zones, it could deliver the black-levels and shadow detail most are hoping for.

Panasinic's more advanced local dimming compensation algorithms and LUT CMS on a high-contrast VA panel with FALD - I may finally see my fall-back TV materializing in the unfortunate case that LG OLED ends up being still-born a year from now...

unknownuser200 01-07-2015 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 30598201)
The AX900 was doomed before it ever hit the ground due to its pricing and then apparent issues, so to me it's not a cluster f*ck but a wise backtrack before more good money follows bad.

And the move from IPS on the AX900 to VA on the CX850 is a significant improvement for who values black levels and shadow detail over widest LED/KCD viewing angles - in fact this is what I had been expecting from the AX900 last year.

If the number of dimming zones has been greatly dumbed-down, that would be the one significant step backwards on the CX850 versus the AX900.

On the other hand, Vizio has proven that 64-72 dimming zones are sufficient to deliver fantastic black levels with a high-native-contrast VA panel (6500:1), so as long as the CX850 has at least 64 dimming zones, it could deliver the black-levels and shadow detail most are hoping for.

Panasinic's more advanced local dimming compensation algorithms and LUT CMS on a high-contrast VA panel with FALD - I may finally see my fall-back TV materializing in the unfortunate case that LG OLED ends up being still-born a year from now...

iirc this is on the board at my work for quite sometime (bestbuy) and if i remember right someone was saying something about 192 zones so a pattern of 12 x 16? they did say dozens in the videos. Now thats not official or confirmed its just going from memory

fafrd 01-07-2015 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by unknownuser200 (Post 30605105)
iirc this is on the board at my work for quite sometime (bestbuy) and if i remember right someone was saying something about 192 zones so a pattern of 12 x 16? they did say dozens in the videos. Now thats not official or confirmed its just going from memory

Have not heard the video, but 'dozens' can certainly mean 60 if not 72 zones.

If 'dozens' ends up meaning 24 or 32 zones, that would be a major disappointment.

unknownuser200 01-07-2015 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fafrd (Post 30605225)
Have not heard the video, but 'dozens' can certainly mean 60 if not 72 zones.

If 'dozens' ends up meaning 24 or 32 zones, that would be a major disappointment.

this wouldnt be mentioned in the video as it was a converation between a rep and myself when i saw the model on the model / sizing chart 6 months ago... Again the amount of zones is unofficial i just remember it being something like that. for all we know it could be 24 or 360 zones

BTW i did notice the link on panasonics site says AX850 Not the cx850 were speaking of... the ax850 85 in tv is its own thing irrc

sytech 01-07-2015 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MCaugusto (Post 30597729)
Well, an 85" UHDTV surprise from Panasonic ! Anyone here expected this one ?
The questions now are : confirmation it is FALD (does the use of "Local Dimming Pro" so indicates it per Panasonic's own nomenclature ?), number of zones (manufacturers better start listing it considering incoming 2015 high-end UHDTVs with FALD from Samsung, Sharp, Sony, etc), price and release time.
It is surprising, though, that this model is already listed at Panasonic's website; Doesn't that indicate this 85" model should be available for sale relatively soon, perhaps by Springtime ?


They mention an 85AX940 last year. It only had something like 32 or 64 zones if I remember correctly. Just a rebadged 85" Innolux panel like most everyone else uses.

http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/...1264299/review

marcuslaw 01-08-2015 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by imagic (Post 30608761)
Notably when I had a discussion today, Panasonic said the AX900 is still the flagship and has the top tier of the company's TV technologies in it. The CX850 is the top of the line among the TVs the company introduced at CES this year, but not the actual top of the line.

That said, Panasonic also stated that the CX850's pricing will be similar to the AX800U, and from what I saw you get a lot of what the AX900 offers in the CX850. While some other TV makers made a big splash this year, Panasonic's offering continue to be incredibly solid in the PQ department.

Mark, is the panel just listed here on Panasonic.com a different one than was just announced at CES?

marcuslaw 01-08-2015 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by unknownuser200 (Post 30605441)
It says ax850 not CX850 different tv?

It could be though the panel described on the website appears possesses most of the features described in the press release for the CX. What leads me to wonder whether the "AX" could be a typo on the website is that there is a reference to the "AX900" in the "THX 4K Certified" captioned paragraph of the Overview! :confused:

UPDATE: The AX850 is the long overdue big brother to the AX900. See Panasonic's October 16, 2004 press release here.

Hawkmoon 01-08-2015 05:33 PM

This is sounding very tempting now. I just have only one real concern with this set and that is going to be the Input Lag. I have owned the WT6004k which had good input lag, but it was plagued with the well know banding issues. I currently still own the AX800 which I love, but it also has some banding, not as bad as the WT600, but still some, however the input lag is really good like the WT600. I was interested in the AX900 but once the input lag numbers were known it became a NO GO instantly.


With the CX850U having some of the tech that is in the AX900 and that it is also FALD, what are the chances that Input Lag will be high like the AX900? It seems like other manufactures are opting to have their HDMI 2.0 input limited to 4:2:0 chroma, but since Panasonic is still going strong with DisplayPort that gives us 4k, 60fps and 4:4:4 chroma.


With all the benefits that the new CX850U seems to have over the AX800, I REALLY want it badly, but ONLY if the input lag is about the same as the AX800. So if anyone from Panasonic is reading this, you have a buyer ready to throw money at you, just ensure that the input lag is acceptable.


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