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Just got my 65M-C1--set-up, and received the (1.3.15) update.
I'm a real newbie, but have tried to read almost all of this thread-that said--

my problem seems to be a (split screen) affect-like when on CNN, and they put up 2 faces side by side, the one on the right has a (greener tint)?? I have used the great set up modes found in this thread.by mpgxsvcd

I'm running everything through my Denon X2200W, with just one HDMI going to TV HDMI 2--we only have Dish satellite, info on all channels says 1080i--reason for HDMI 2 is that we have limited internet data plan-Verizon USB modem, and do NOT use the apps.

Any suggestions, or settings--for (satellite) only would be greatly appreciated,
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Ok, I just think I realized something...the M50-C1 isn't an HDTV, is it?
It plays 4k but the standard TV here is exactly that? Is this why HDTV looks so bad on it?
Looking over the specs this thing isn't HD??
This TV is UHD (Ultra High Definition) which is the same as 4K. It has to upscale any content up to its native 4K resolution, be it FHD (Full High Definition or 1080P), HD Ready (720P) and SD (Standard Definition).
Cable looks crappy mostly due to the massive compression the content goes through. It was mentioned here several times - crap-in crap-out.
1080P should still look great, 1080i is not too bad for me, and 720P as well. It really depends on the source.
Try playing a 720P or 1080P movie on the TV and you'll see that it will look great.
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This TV is UHD (Ultra High Definition) which is the same as 4K. It has to upscale any content up to its native 4K resolution, be it FHD (Full High Definition or 1080P), HD Ready (720P) and SD (Standard Definition).
Cable looks crappy mostly due to the massive compression the content goes through. It was mentioned here several times - crap-in crap-out.
1080P should still look great, 1080i is not too bad for me, and 720P as well. It really depends on the source.
Try playing a 720P or 1080P movie on the TV and you'll see that it will look great.
You should see cable on the 80" from 8' away. It was a shock at first but it's a little like losing your eyesight. You get used to it after awhile.
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You should see cable on the 80" from 8' away. It was a shock at first but it's a little like losing your eyesight. You get used to it after awhile.
LOL! I bet. I currently sit 10-12ft from my TV and the HD channels (1080i) range from pretty good to acceptable. SD channels are quite terrible, even at that distance with a 55" TV... Some are almost completely unwatchable.

Luckily I'm trying to move away from cable and do as much streaming/bluray as possible to rid myself of satellite tv.
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This TV is UHD (Ultra High Definition) which is the same as 4K. It has to upscale any content up to its native 4K resolution, be it FHD (Full High Definition or 1080P), HD Ready (720P) and SD (Standard Definition).
Cable looks crappy mostly due to the massive compression the content goes through. It was mentioned here several times - crap-in crap-out.
1080P should still look great, 1080i is not too bad for me, and 720P as well. It really depends on the source.
Try playing a 720P or 1080P movie on the TV and you'll see that it will look great.
Thank you!! This makes perfect sense to me...my old 42" Vizio HDTV was a much better picture
Basically, this TV is set up for 4k..not basic cable TV viewing
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Just got my 65M-C1--set-up, and received the (1.3.15) update.
I'm a real newbie, but have tried to read almost all of this thread-that said--

my problem seems to be a (split screen) affect-like when on CNN, and they put up 2 faces side by side, the one on the right has a (greener tint)?? I have used the great set up modes found in this thread.by mpgxsvcd

I'm running everything through my Denon X2200W, with just one HDMI going to TV HDMI 2--we only have Dish satellite, info on all channels says 1080i--reason for HDMI 2 is that we have limited internet data plan-Verizon USB modem, and do NOT use the apps.

Any suggestions, or settings--for (satellite) only would be greatly appreciated,
Rocky
UPDATE--the Denon is new also-dah--set it up for 4K, now when I hit (info) on TV, it says 2160--that is better than 1080P, or 1080i, correct--remember all I have is Satalite.
Rocky
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No. Some people have received 1.3.22 or 1.3.23, but it seems it's not very widespread yet.
1.3.15B seems to be common, I'm really not sure what the difference between 15 and 15B...

Not sure it was mentioned since I haven't read anything since page 287, but going from 1.3.15 to 1.3.15B, the one thing I noticed is that the keyboard works in the youtube app now.
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Does anyone else have an issue with HDMI4 sometimes 'Resetting'? It goes black for about 1-2sec, then comes back and displays the top drop-down (shows time, network, resolution..)

Other than that I'm very happy with the TV.

Also, is there a HDMI splitter that will preserve the low MS Lag of the HDMI-5 port that can be recommended? I have both an XboxOne and PS4 and would like to keep the input lag down on both devices.

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Not sure what problems you're having but one thing is you must format the drive using FAT32 and not NTSF.
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Flash drives/SD cards need to be formatted FAT32 to be seen on the TV's USB connection.
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For what it's worth, my flash drive formatted with NTFS works just fine on my M60-C3. But I agree the manual states specifically: "The USB thumb drive must be formatted as FAT32."
The TV accepts NTFS, I have video files bigger than 4 GB and will not fit on a FAT32 file system. The TV is picky with USB sticks. SanDisk seems to work fine, however Patriot USB sticks are hit or miss.
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I have an M60-C3 with firmware 1.2.23. I spoke with Vizio support today about any updates. They said there was none for this model. I've seen several more recent versions mentioned here for other sizes. Can anyone with an M60 confirm they have been updated beyond 1.2.23?

Also, is there a way to determine date of manufacture from the serial number?

Thanks in advance.
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Not sure it was mentioned since I haven't read anything since page 287, but going from 1.3.15 to 1.3.15B, the one thing I noticed is that the keyboard works in the youtube app now.
I can't say whether that's true or not. When I got my TV, it was at 1.2.23, and the keyboard worked in YouTube.
I haven't used YouTube since, until a few days ago and it worked fine just the same. (so I haven't tried YouTube with 1.3.15)

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Does anyone else have an issue with HDMI4 sometimes 'Resetting'? It goes black for about 1-2sec, then comes back and displays the top drop-down (shows time, network, resolution..)

Other than that I'm very happy with the TV.

Also, is there a HDMI splitter that will preserve the low MS Lag of the HDMI-5 port that can be recommended? I have both an XboxOne and PS4 and would like to keep the input lag down on both devices.

Thanks - ChaosDunk
I've had that happen when I had the PC or my media streamer connected at 4K (not just on HDMI4, but on HDMI3 as well, and even HDMI2)
I'm pretty sure that my problem was, and still sometimes is crappy HDMI cables.
You need really high quality cables for 4K to work right. Badly shielded cables can also cause signal loss\degradation due to interference.

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I have an M60-C3 with firmware 1.2.23. I spoke with Vizio support today about any updates. They said there was none for this model. I've seen several more recent versions mentioned here for other sizes. Can anyone with an M60 confirm they have been updated beyond 1.2.23?

Also, is there a way to determine date of manufacture from the serial number?

Thanks in advance.
I'm pretty sure that at least someone mentioned that their M60 had a newer firmware than that.
1.3.23 may be the newest one, but definitely not the 1.2.23 version.

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If you are thinking about getting into UHD Blu ray you should read this post first.

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I have an M60-C3 with firmware 1.2.23. I spoke with Vizio support today about any updates. They said there was none for this model. I've seen several more recent versions mentioned here for other sizes. Can anyone with an M60 confirm they have been updated beyond 1.2.23?

Also, is there a way to determine date of manufacture from the serial number?

Thanks in advance.
My M60-C3 has 1.3.15-UHD.
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My M60-C3 has 1.3.15-UHD.
my black Friday m60-c3 has 1.3.15B-UHD
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Just popping in to say that I continue to be thrilled and dazzled with my Vizio M75-C1! I'm very very pleased with the image quality and the value. My "final" price through Costco was $2399.99. I've been watching it and it hasn't dropped any lower than that (so far).

I'd buy the set again in a heartbeat!

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Just popping in to say that I continue to be thrilled and dazzled with my Vizio M75-C1! I'm very very pleased with the image quality and the value. My "final" price through Costco was $2399.99. I've been watching it and it hasn't dropped any lower than that (so far).

I'd buy the set again in a heartbeat!

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What he said except my final price was 1999 (Thanksgiving one day only). My original purchase price from Costco was 2499 but I was able to get the Thanksgiving only price from Costco.
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I just connected my M65-C1. I tried to PM MPGXSVCD but since I don't have 15 posts it wouldn't let me. Like others I have questions regarding optimal calibration settings. I have decided to use his recommended settings but furthermore I have questions about setup.

Setup:
TV is connected via HDMI to Verizon Fios cable box.
Cable box connected to Yamaha RX-V677.
Apple TV connected Yamaha receiver.
Sony Blu-ray connected to Yamaha receiver.
All my components connected to power center.

So, right now I am using HDMI 5 from TV to cable box. SHOULD I BE USING HDMI 5?
I rarely use Blu-ray player and instead usually stream my movies from Apple TV (iTunes rental, Netflix, movies d'loaded on my computer via iTunes homesharing) or I stream them direct my Fios cable box.
I do not have a gaming console.
I watch A LOT OF SPORTS.
I want to view 4K content but don't know how. Upgrade Netflix account to 4k?

Note: I turned on apple TV and I got a pop-up saying current source is 480 output, consider changing it. How would I change source if my apple TV is connected to my Yamaha receiver?
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The TV accepts NTFS, I have video files bigger than 4 GB and will not fit on a FAT32 file system. The TV is picky with USB sticks. SanDisk seems to work fine, however Patriot USB sticks are hit or miss.
All my USB drives are Fat32 formatted but the 32GB ones are not recognized. One is a SanDisk. All my 1 and 2 GB drives work fine. The manual states 8 GB is the upper limit. Can someone confirm this.
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Only if you play videogames, there is less lag on that input.
So input 5 is the one I will hook my Xbox One up to Hutty? I'm still confused on how I'm going to hook everything up with my Onkyo receiver? Any HDMI suggestions outside of the HDMI that comes with my One?

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In my opinion, a grand for 5 inches is simply not worth it, unless you plan on having this TV for 5 years or longer. You can always move the couch a little closer to your 70"
What is your viewing distance VBB? I've got a 19' room and read that 9-10' was the best for optimal viwing. As far as price, I think for me I got it down to around $800 and hoping it continues to drop and lessens the price gap between the 70" and 75" by the time I buy next month. My question is what made you folks choose Vizio over Samsung or Sony? I was discussing this with my wife earlier today and kind of feel like I'm overthinking the situation and need you guys to talk me off the ledge. If I went with either one of those would I simply be buying a name and not getting my bang for buck.

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I just connected my M65-C1. I tried to PM MPGXSVCD but since I don't have 15 posts it wouldn't let me. Like others I have questions regarding optimal calibration settings. I have decided to use his recommended settings but furthermore I have questions about setup.

Setup:
TV is connected via HDMI to Verizon Fios cable box.
Cable box connected to Yamaha RX-V677.
Apple TV connected Yamaha receiver.
Sony Blu-ray connected to Yamaha receiver.
All my components connected to power center.

So, right now I am using HDMI 5 from TV to cable box. SHOULD I BE USING HDMI 5?
I rarely use Blu-ray player and instead usually stream my movies from Apple TV (iTunes rental, Netflix, movies d'loaded on my computer via iTunes homesharing) or I stream them direct my Fios cable box.
I do not have a gaming console.
I watch A LOT OF SPORTS.
I want to view 4K content but don't know how. Upgrade Netflix account to 4k?

Note: I turned on apple TV and I got a pop-up saying current source is 480 output, consider changing it. How would I change source if my apple TV is connected to my Yamaha receiver?
Go to your account on your computer. If you are already set up for HD, it should say how many screens you have and HD. Example, 2 Screens + HD. If so, use the instructions below to double check your settings.

Netflix ->Your Account -> My Profile -> Playback Settings -> Set to High (Best Video Quality, Up to 3GB per hour for HD, 7GB per hour for Ultra HD)
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All my USB drives are Fat32 formatted but the 32GB ones are not recognized. One is a SanDisk. All my 1 and 2 GB drives work fine. The manual states 8 GB is the upper limit. Can someone confirm this.
my 8GB sandisk stick works, I'll check the formatting later
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I just connected my M65-C1. I tried to PM MPGXSVCD but since I don't have 15 posts it wouldn't let me. Like others I have questions regarding optimal calibration settings. I have decided to use his recommended settings but furthermore I have questions about setup.

Setup:
TV is connected via HDMI to Verizon Fios cable box.
Cable box connected to Yamaha RX-V677.
Apple TV connected Yamaha receiver.
Sony Blu-ray connected to Yamaha receiver.
All my components connected to power center.

So, right now I am using HDMI 5 from TV to cable box. SHOULD I BE USING HDMI 5?
I rarely use Blu-ray player and instead usually stream my movies from Apple TV (iTunes rental, Netflix, movies d'loaded on my computer via iTunes homesharing) or I stream them direct my Fios cable box.
I do not have a gaming console.
I watch A LOT OF SPORTS.
I want to view 4K content but don't know how. Upgrade Netflix account to 4k?

Note: I turned on apple TV and I got a pop-up saying current source is 480 output, consider changing it. How would I change source if my apple TV is connected to my Yamaha receiver?
The resolution is handled by the source (Apple TV), your receiver is just a pass through. On the apple tv, you need to go to settings, audio video, and adjust your resolution.

You should only use hdmi 5 for devices that output higher than 1080p or a game console. The other inputs are better at upscaling.

For optimal settings I suggest getting yourself some test patterns, as each set is slightly different. In this thread a page or two ago, someone posted a link to download some. That's what I used and they worked out great.

I've also tried the THX app on ios, it was so so. My settings have changed since then, but it got me in the ball park.
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All my USB drives are Fat32 formatted but the 32GB ones are not recognized. One is a SanDisk. All my 1 and 2 GB drives work fine. The manual states 8 GB is the upper limit. Can someone confirm this.
Using a Lexar 128GB USB 3.0 fat32 on my M60-C3 without any problems.
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Thanks VBB! I'll try it as soon as I get my hands on a BD-R disc.
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The resolution is handled by the source (Apple TV), your receiver is just a pass through. On the apple tv, you need to go to settings, audio video, and adjust your resolution.

You should only use hdmi 5 for devices that output higher than 1080p or a game console. The other inputs are better at upscaling.

For optimal settings I suggest getting yourself some test patterns, as each set is slightly different. In this thread a page or two ago, someone posted a link to download some. That's what I used and they worked out great.

I've also tried the THX app on ios, it was so so. My settings have changed since then, but it got me in the ball park.
Thx, I went into the apple tv settings and the highest resolution is 1080 @ 60hz. Auto was selected. So, do I have to upgrade to the new Apple TV to get 4K? Or if I upgrade my netflix account to 4K my current 1080p Apple TV can stream it?

So instead of using HDMI 5 I'll use HDMI 1? Seems easy enough. After that I'll use the recommended settings and then I'll be done? I can already tell my picture isn't as "sharp" watching fios cable as compared to my 3 year old samsung 8500. Maybe the recommended picture settings will improve sharpness.
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Has someone posted in this thread somewhere what the optimal settings are for the 43" and 60" m series by chance?

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What is your viewing distance VBB? I've got a 19' room and read that 9-10' was the best for optimal viwing. As far as price, I think for me I got it down to around $800 and hoping it continues to drop and lessens the price gap between the 70" and 75" by the time I buy next month. My question is what made you folks choose Vizio over Samsung or Sony? I was discussing this with my wife earlier today and kind of feel like I'm overthinking the situation and need you guys to talk me off the ledge. If I went with either one of those would I simply be buying a name and not getting my bang for buck.
I sit about 14' away from my M70 right now. Would I like to be closer? Yes, but my wife hates it I did notice motion blur a lot more when I was sitting about 9' away, so I'm fine with not being as close to the TV.


What do you mean, you got it down to around $800? The difference between the 70 and the 75? I can only speak for myself, but I chose the Vizio at the time because it was the best bang for the buck, and it still is to me. I just can't get myself to pay the crazy Samsung/Sony brand tax, and also what's always bothered me about the "premium" brands is that they don't make TVs in the sizes I prefer (70/80). They still seem to think that 65" is the largest size any normal consumer would want. I would like to replace my M with an HDR-capable TV this year, but so far nothing has been announced that I would actually want to buy. I'm still waiting for a Vizio 2016 announcement.

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Thx, I went into the apple tv settings and the highest resolution is 1080 @ 60hz. Auto was selected. So, do I have to upgrade to the new Apple TV to get 4K? Or if I upgrade my netflix account to 4K my current 1080p Apple TV can stream it?

So instead of using HDMI 5 I'll use HDMI 1? Seems easy enough. After that I'll use the recommended settings and then I'll be done? I can already tell my picture isn't as "sharp" watching fios cable as compared to my 3 year old samsung 8500. Maybe the recommended picture settings will improve sharpness.
Even the new Apple TV cannot do 4K. If you want to see 4K on your M, your best bet is to use the built-in apps. Netflix and Amazon have several shows and movies in 4K, and some of them look fantastic. For Netflix, you would have to upgrade your account. For Amazon, you just have to be a Prime member.


It really doesn't matter which HDMI port you plug your Apple TV into, especially if it's the only device you have. If you have an AVR, run a cable from HDMI 1 on the TV into the HDMI out on the receiver. That way you will get sound from the TV's apps to the receiver.


The picture quality of this TV very much depends on what you feed it. It's not the best TV when it comes to making a crappy source look good. With a good source it really shines, though. Keep in mind that any UHD TV has to upscale content that is lower than 4K. Try mpgxsvcd's settings and see if you like it better.

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Has someone posted in this thread somewhere what the optimal settings are for the 43" and 60" m series by chance?

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Check out this post by mpgxsvcd for some good advice: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post39178938

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This TV is UHD (Ultra High Definition) which is the same as 4K. It has to upscale any content up to its native 4K resolution, be it FHD (Full High Definition or 1080P), HD Ready (720P) and SD (Standard Definition).
Cable looks crappy mostly due to the massive compression the content goes through. It was mentioned here several times - crap-in crap-out.
1080P should still look great, 1080i is not too bad for me, and 720P as well. It really depends on the source.
Try playing a 720P or 1080P movie on the TV and you'll see that it will look great.
Do you think there is any significant difference between cable and satellite? Trying to decide if I'm going to leave Directv due to their horrible customer service since AT&T bought them.

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Do you think there is any significant difference between cable and satellite? Trying to decide if I'm going to leave Directv due to their horrible customer service since AT&T bought them.
Can't say, I live Israel, I would assume it's different everywhere. I've read on local forums that cable here has a better overall picture quality in HD. In SD it's pretty much the same crap.
What's most important is the bitrate of the video stream, the higher the better. I don't think that the infrastructure is that important really.

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