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Wait...what?
Yea, I sold the M80-C3 last week. My wife said it was too big and we were sitting too close to it. She refused to watch it because she said it made her sick. She doesn’t like IMAX movies either. That was the experience I was going for but I didn’t check with her before I bought it. That ended up biting me in the end.

You wouldn’t believe how different the P75 looks in that space as compared to the M80. It is only 5 inches smaller but it really makes a huge difference when you are less than 10 feet from it. I had a 65” and a 55” in that same spot and those TVs looked puny. The P75 is just the right size though.

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The software for the C61 4K client is screwed up since the last update. Go to the banner menu. Slide over to the audio/video settings. Set it to 1080i and that will stick for all your non 4K channels. You may have to try to change it a few times...it can be kludgy and reboot when you try to change it. Just go back and redo it. Once you set it it will be fine.
This was the fix-so simple but after the upgrade no way to know it. Lost all my recordings/settings for this-told to do hard reset by idiots at Directv

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Official 2015 Vizio 4K UHD M Series Thread

My wife bless her heart; after hearing me talk about the P65 (apparently not really paying much attention to "letters" and "numbers") Surprised me by getting me an M60....

Happy to have it though, l haven't told her it's the wrong model and the wrong size

Looking forward to suggesting that it will probably look better in our room, replace one of the Samsung LNT4671, and then get myself a P65?

I've been messing with the settings and am thinking of getting a calibration disc. I'm a total rookie, would Disney's WOW be a good start? And also, would you guys recommend the DVDO Mini upscaler?

Thanks

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My M80 had something like 1.3.15 on it when I sold it.

Wait...what?
Yup, my M75-C1 is for sale too. Barely 4 months old.
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Having a weird thing hapening with my M60-C3. I have LED bias lighting connected to the USB port so it turns on and off with the TV. Just now, for the third time that I've witnessed, the TV has made the metallic 'twang' sound like it was powering on and the bias lights have turned on, but the set isn't being turned on. I've been across the room all three times, so it's not like I sat on the remote. After about 30 seconds the bias lights turn off and that's that. Do I have a haunted TV?

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Having a weird thing hapening with my M60-C3. I have LED bias lighting connected to the USB port so it turns on and off with the TV. Just now, for the third time that I've witnessed, the TV has made the metallic 'twang' sound like it was powering on and the bias lights have turned on, but the set isn't being turned on. I've been across the room all three times, so it's not like I sat on the remote. After about 30 seconds the bias lights turn off and that's that. Do I have a haunted TV?
I think these sets "wake up" every now and then to check for new firmware versions (the mainboard turns on, but not the panel)... maybe the USB port gets power when that happens? I have to admit I've never heard my M60 make that 'twang' sound when it's off, though (but the TV is rarely off while I'm in that room).
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My wife bless her heart; after hearing me talk about the P65 (apparently not really paying much attention to "letters" and "numbers") Surprised me by getting me an M60....

Happy to have it though, l haven't told her it's the wrong model and the wrong size

Looking forward to suggesting that it will probably look better in our room, replace one of the Samsung LNT4671, and then get myself a P65?

I've been messing with the settings and am thinking of getting a calibration disc. I'm a total rookie, would Disney's WOW be a good start? And also, would you guys recommend the DVDO Mini upscaler?

Thanks

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Congrats on the M60! I have the same set and love it... BUT if I could upgrade to the P65, I wouldn't hesitate a second! I would definitely start the conversation with the missis!
As for the settings, I suggest you start with the settings from @mpgxsvcd (see link in his signature on the first post on this page). I have the Disney WOW disk but never bothered to use it because the picture is so good for me already with those settings + some minor tweaks for my own taste/usage.
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Yup, my M75-C1 is for sale too. Barely 4 months old.

Damnit...now you guys have me wanting to sell mine and get a P75.
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Damnit...now you guys have me wanting to sell mine and get a P75.
The best TV decision I have ever made was to sell my M80-C3 and buy the P75 even though it cost me a significant amount of money. The 2015 M-series was a great TV but the P75 is the future proof TV we have all been waiting for.

I will still try to help all of the M-series owners but I strongly suggest everyone consider whether or not they will want HDR in the future. If the answer is YES then you should consider cutting your losses, sell the M-series, and buy a 2016 P-series. Unfortunately, I do not believe the 2015 Vizio M-series will ever properly support any form of HDR because those TVs are 8 bit and do not have wide color gamut.

The M-series is capable of the high dynamic range for the grey scale but it will never properly support the bit depth or color range that is necessary for proper HDR. Losing $500-$1500 right now will save you money in the long run.
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Congrats on the M60! I have the same set and love it... BUT if I could upgrade to the P65, I wouldn't hesitate a second! I would definitely start the conversation with the missis!
As for the settings, I suggest you start with the settings from @mpgxsvcd (see link in his signature on the first post on this page). I have the Disney WOW disk but never bothered to use it because the picture is so good for me already with those settings + some minor tweaks for my own taste/usage.


Thanks!

I did try mpgxsvcd settings, they are definitely much better and l also saved them (Mpgxsvcd1 for original and Mpgxsvcd2 for updated However, my Xfinity X1 feed is subpar and the bigger screen makes it more obvious compared to my Sammy LNT4671 (bought in 2008 but still looking good)

Much too my wife's chagrin AVS is my new obsession and if l'm honest, l have become much more critical than before, seeing things that l never noticed before, it's almost like ignorance is bliss, but l'd rather be more informed and truly enjoy the best picture l can afford.

So l'm not blaming the M60, BD looks good, that is why l was thinking about getting the WOW BD and the DVDO upscaler.
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How does the upscaling of cable/sat between the M and P compare? Any differences or improvement in your opinion?
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My wife bless her heart; after hearing me talk about the P65 (apparently not really paying much attention to "letters" and "numbers") Surprised me by getting me an M60....

Happy to have it though, l haven't told her it's the wrong model and the wrong size

Looking forward to suggesting that it will probably look better in our room, replace one of the Samsung LNT4671, and then get myself a P65?

I've been messing with the settings and am thinking of getting a calibration disc. I'm a total rookie, would Disney's WOW be a good start? And also, would you guys recommend the DVDO Mini upscaler?

Thanks

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People mention the WOW disc a lot but here's the thing: These vizios need to remain at 50 for both contrast and brightness. ALL calibrations out there have it set to 50-50 because it is simply how these TVs are designed. You can mess with the backlight and gamma for sure using patterns as well as see how high you can bring the color setting but that is it.
Anything gray scale or advanced color calibration needs a meter no matter what.
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Damnit...now you guys have me wanting to sell mine and get a P75.
I'm TRYING to do just that, sell my M60 and buy a P65 but since there are NO PLANS WHATSOEVER (yet) in bringing these to Canada, well im shyt fock out of luck!

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People mention the WOW disc a lot but here's the thing: These vizios need to remain at 50 for both contrast and brightness. ALL calibrations out there have it set to 50-50 because it is simply how these TVs are designed. You can mess with the backlight and gamma for sure using patterns as well as see how high you can bring the color setting but that is it.

Anything gray scale or advanced color calibration needs a meter no matter what.


I see, so the WOW disc may be less of a benefit on these Ms. Would you say professional calibration would greatly improve the Ms picture? Or is this a budget set and therefore not worth it in terms of return as opposed to a Sony/Sammy flagship?
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I see, so the WOW disc may be less of a benefit on these Ms. Would you say professional calibration would greatly improve the Ms picture? Or is this a budget set and therefore not worth it in terms of return as opposed to a Sony/Sammy flagship?
Yes they can totally be calibrated professionaly, especially the gray scale.
But do keep in mind that more ACURATE doesnt mean YOU will like the image more. These Ms on calibrated/calibrated dark are VERY good out of the box calibration wise.
Some of the colors are more off than others but overall quite good.

These arent "cheap" TVs by any means and can be calibrated fine. But you wont see a night and day difference.
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Yup, my M75-C1 is for sale too. Barely 4 months old.
How are you selling? I'm in the market and I've been eyeing a used/refurb'd M75-C1. I'm in Reno, not far, but far enough away for a local pickup.
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I see, so the WOW disc may be less of a benefit on these Ms. Would you say professional calibration would greatly improve the Ms picture? Or is this a budget set and therefore not worth it in terms of return as opposed to a Sony/Sammy flagship?
+1 to everything toonj said above...
Also keep in mind that calibrating will not really help with the upscaling quality.
The way I see it, improving the look of low quality sources is mainly a matter of applying noise reduction and sharpness algorithms. You can play around with those settings to see if you can clean up your xfinity feed... but if you use a disk or calibration patterns for setting sharpness for example, I'd be surprised if the same setting would work well on your xfinity picture.
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Thanks toonj and Gbot, l feel l have a much better perspective.. Now on to exploring making a switch to Direct TV and looking further into the DVDO upscaler.

Man l wish l could get Sony's X1 upscaler in a separate little box.
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the P75 is the future proof TV we have all been waiting for
Unless you plan to have Amazon Video in your future and are willing to buy a high-end Samsung or Sony TV to get it.

I was pondering returning my M60-C3 to Costco - have until June 10 to decide - and see what 2016 M-series had to offer with the HDR, but with Amazon's continuing hate for Google and the end of TV apps like the 2015s have, you're sacrificing something huge unless you're willing to augment your "future proof" TV with another $100-$120 in hardware which won't even deliver HDR.

Since I don't plan to buy into 4K HDR Blu-ray for a looooooooooong time - how many of my 900 BDs will I be rebuying in 4K REALLY? - and the current offerings are so slim, I'm thinking it would be more economical to stand pat with my M60 and then see what's going on in a couple of years with service support and overall tech. If the 2015s were so much better than the 2014s and the 2016s spank the 2015s, imagine what the 2017 and 2018 models will bring.
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I will still try to help all of the M-series owners but I strongly suggest everyone consider whether or not they will want HDR in the future. If the answer is YES then you should consider cutting your losses, sell the M-series, and buy a 2016 P-series. Unfortunately, I do not believe the 2015 Vizio M-series will ever properly support any form of HDR because those TVs are 8 bit and do not have wide color gamut.
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Does the new P series have WCG and HDR or just HDR?
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WCG and Dolby Vision. HDR10 support will be added via a firmware update in a few months.

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Thanks toonj and Gbot, l feel l have a much better perspective.. Now on to exploring making a switch to Direct TV and looking further into the DVDO upscaler.

Man l wish l could get Sony's X1 upscaler in a separate little box.
Beware the NEW (AT&T) customer service at Directv-not knowledgeable particularly on 4K; most don't know anything on 4K.

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I recently found out about an Xfinity initiative to do MPEG4 upgrades; my area hasn't been upgraded yet (Miami, Fl). Been now researching Direct TV offerings. I take it as the lesser of the two evils, Comcast doesn't have the best customer service, and I'm sure that Direct TV is equally as bad, but l am just seeking the best PQ and my expectations of customer service are extremely low (just to save myself the frustration).
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Since there's a lot more activity in this thread than the D-series thread, could anyone tell me here if there's a noticeable difference in black levels between the D-series and M-series panels? I'm looking at a 58" D3 to replace my dad's 55" Panasonic plasma and I'm just wondering if he's going to be happy with the black levels coming from that TV or if the 55" M-series would be a better option for him. Thanks.
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Since there's a lot more activity in this thread than the D-series thread, could anyone tell me here if there's a noticeable difference in black levels between the D-series and M-series panels? I'm looking at a 58" D3 to replace my dad's 55" Panasonic plasma and I'm just wondering if he's going to be happy with the black levels coming from that TV or if the 55" M-series would be a better option for him. Thanks.
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Thanks for those links. Looks like I'm going to opt for the 58" D over the 55" M because I think he will be happier with that set for sports as well as the 3" increase in real estate over his 55" plasma.
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I think these sets "wake up" every now and then to check for new firmware versions (the mainboard turns on, but not the panel)... maybe the USB port gets power when that happens? I have to admit I've never heard my M60 make that 'twang' sound when it's off, though (but the TV is rarely off while I'm in that room).
Used to be my M70-C3 stayed connected to wifi continuously - even when the set was off. Now it disconnects from wifi as soon as I turn it off. So if the TV is ever to update again, it must randomly connect to WIFI in the middle of the night or something.
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