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I think these sets "wake up" every now and then to check for new firmware versions (the mainboard turns on, but not the panel)... maybe the USB port gets power when that happens? .....
For whatever reason my M60 appears to have been "asleep" since end Dec, and still on 1.2.23. Vizio tells me once the new M series is released there will be no further pushing of updated firmware to older series. That doesn't sound like good business practice to me, given that not all TVs are pushed at the same time. Anyway, what are the chances of getting to 1.3.15 or 1.3.23 anytime soon?
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For whatever reason my M60 appears to have been "asleep" since end Dec, and still on 1.2.23. Vizio tells me once the new M series is released there will be no further pushing of updated firmware to older series. That doesn't sound like good business practice to me, given that not all TVs are pushed at the same time. Anyway, what are the chances of getting to 1.3.15 or 1.3.23 anytime soon?
There are a few users still stuck on 1.2.23, which is unfortunate. You would think that by now Vizio's delayed firmware push has caught up with all serial numbers. I don't believe they will all of a sudden stop releasing updates just because a newer model has come out. It all depends on what still needs fixing, and whether it can be fixed via firmware. Vizio's support focus has most definitely been on the new P-series, though.

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Unless you plan to have Amazon Video in your future and are willing to buy a high-end Samsung or Sony TV to get it.

I was pondering returning my M60-C3 to Costco - have until June 10 to decide - and see what 2016 M-series had to offer with the HDR, but with Amazon's continuing hate for Google and the end of TV apps like the 2015s have, you're sacrificing something huge unless you're willing to augment your "future proof" TV with another $100-$120 in hardware which won't even deliver HDR.

Since I don't plan to buy into 4K HDR Blu-ray for a looooooooooong time - how many of my 900 BDs will I be rebuying in 4K REALLY? - and the current offerings are so slim, I'm thinking it would be more economical to stand pat with my M60 and then see what's going on in a couple of years with service support and overall tech. If the 2015s were so much better than the 2014s and the 2016s spank the 2015s, imagine what the 2017 and 2018 models will bring.
Yeah it sucks for Amazon but it sucks even more than we cant even get Amazon in Canada AT ALL!

And yes, every year a better TV comes out but what is happening here with the new P series is that we hit a treshold where all the latest bells and whistles are there. 2017 will not come rolling in with 8K and super duper Wide Color Gamut. With proper HDR, WCG, 4K, Dolby vision and soon HDR10, the P is set for years. Sure the 2017 M or P will have better contrast, more zones, probably more nits, but none of that is a game changer.

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Yeah it sucks for Amazon but it sucks even more than we cant even get Amazon in Canada AT ALL!

And yes, every year a better TV comes out but what is happening here with the new P series is that we hit a treshold where all the latest bells and whistles are there. 2017 will not come rolling in with 8K and super duper Wide Color Gamut. With proper HDR, WCG, 4K, Dolby vision and soon HDR10, the P is set for years. Sure the 2017 M or P will have better contrast, more zones, probably more nits, but none of that is a game changer.
Lol set for years?! 8K is closer than you think. The summer Olympics will be shot and broadcast in 8K, 7680x4320, in Japan. So while it's not mainstream yet, your TV that "hit a threshold" will be replaced with something better sooner than you think.

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I hope you're being sarcastic. With all due respect to Japan and their 8K, I can't see it being practical in the real world. 4K has more than enough resolution for current TV sizes and 'normal' viewing distance.
4K has been available for years now and just recently started to gather momentum, it will take 8K longer.
We are currently at the top end of what HDMI is capable of, there are no codecs nor chipsets currently available to really make 8K practical in any sense.

With this set supporting HDR, you should be fine for at least a few years without worry. Display performance will improve with time, but the basic capabilities won't be revolutionary as HDR is right now.
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There are a few users still stuck on 1.2.23, which is unfortunate. You would think that by now Vizio's delayed firmware push has caught up with all serial numbers. I don't believe they will all of a sudden stop releasing updates just because a newer model has come out. It all depends on what still needs fixing, and whether it can be fixed via firmware. Vizio's support focus has most definitely been on the new P-series, though.
I hadn't checked mine since last year, but I see now it's on 1.3.15. Is this the latest available for my set?

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I hope you're being sarcastic. With all due respect to Japan and their 8K, I can't see it being practical in the real world. 4K has more than enough resolution for current TV sizes and 'normal' viewing distance.
4K has been available for years now and just recently started to gather momentum, it will take 8K longer.
We are currently at the top end of what HDMI is capable of, there are no codecs nor chipsets currently available to really make 8K practical in any sense.

With this set supporting HDR, you should be fine for at least a few years without worry. Display performance will improve with time, but the basic capabilities won't be revolutionary as HDR is right now.
My main point was there is always something "better" on the horizon. If people wait for the net big thing, they will never own any electronics.

Very rarely does anything remain the "best" for any length of time now, it's just the way the game is.

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My main point was there is always something "better" on the horizon. If people wait for the net big thing, they will never own any electronics.

Very rarely does anything remain the "best" for any length of time now, it's just the way the game is.
Oh, yes that is true, no doubt.
As I said in the previous post, there will always be something new or better in future products, and you could wait indefinitely chasing that, but the 2016 P series represents a major change in technology and picture quality, which will remain relevant for years before the next big thing hits. I don't think 4K on its own was that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, and I think that 8K will be an even smaller one.
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With proper HDR, WCG, 4K, Dolby vision and soon HDR10, the P is set for years. Sure the 2017 M or P will have better contrast, more zones, probably more nits, but none of that is a game changer.
Sure, but you're buying a display in hopes the content will catch up and with notable deficiencies in current support.

For me it's a matter that a 60" M60-C3 is currently under $1K at Big Food Store (aka Costco), while the 55" and 65" Ps are $1300 and $2000 respectively. (The 2015 M55 was under $800, but I wanted larger than my 2014 55" M.) That means double the money for not double the features since without content, the set can't shine and HDR is even scarcer than 4K.

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Lol set for years?! 8K is closer than you think. The summer Olympics will be shot and broadcast in 8K, 7680x4320, in Japan. So while it's not mainstream yet, your TV that "hit a threshold" will be replaced with something better sooner than you think.
Stop being overly dramatic...
The new P series will be just fine for AT LEAST 2 years, and even afterwards, it wont be OBSOLETE as 8K, even if it is officially "out there" by then, wont be standard by any means.
BANDWITH in most regions of the world can barely support 4k as it is!

And given that even 4K resolution is barely noticeable to normal humans unless quite close to a screen larger than 60 inches, yeah 8K is truly MUST HAVE!
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Oh, yes that is true, no doubt.
As I said in the previous post, there will always be something new or better in future products, and you could wait indefinitely chasing that, but the 2016 P series represents a major change in technology and picture quality, which will remain relevant for years before the next big thing hits. I don't think 4K on its own was that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, and I think that 8K will be an even smaller one.
The Coolest gets it. YES tech is better EVERY YEAR but there are turning points and standards that settle and remain for a number of years before shifting to something else.

There are big leaps and small leaps in tech and we are now settling into proper UHD beyound just 4K.

Imagine that no cars on earth have 4 wheel drive and all a sudden, the technology appears and some new cars now have this 4WD tech. Yes, next year's 4WD will be even better but it's no big deal compared to still being stuck with only 2WD! And it will take years before we see 6WD if that even makes sense!

Same thing here!
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Sure, but you're buying a display in hopes the content will catch up and with notable deficiencies in current support.

For me it's a matter that a 60" M60-C3 is currently under $1K at Big Food Store (aka Costco), while the 55" and 65" Ps are $1300 and $2000 respectively. (The 2015 M55 was under $800, but I wanted larger than my 2014 55" M.) That means double the money for not double the features since without content, the set can't shine and HDR is even scarcer than 4K.

I wish Vizio would drop the deets on the 2016 Ms; a $1500 65" model would definitely make me reconsider, though the Amazon is still a serious issue.
Nothing wrong with going for the M if all those things dont matter so much to you (or the fact that very little content is available) but those are the reasons why the new P is such a big deal.

Eventually we will see more and all seem to agree that HDR is what 3D or 4K could/should have been as far as being a game changer. People going for the P will be all set but you may end up wanting to upgrade. Nothing wrong with that but that's where deciding which one to get matters.

And yes the 2016 M would also cover most basis but without wide color gamut
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yeah 8K is truly MUST HAVE!
And your 4k HDR is a must have? Sooooo much content right now for you to enjoy!

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I hadn't checked mine since last year, but I see now it's on 1.3.15. Is this the latest available for my set?
Most of us here are on 1.3.15, some on 1.3.15B, and very few on 1.3.24. As usual, we have no idea what each version adds/changes/fixes.

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all seem to agree that HDR is what 3D or 4K could/should have been as far as being a game changer.
All? Who exactly is"all"?

This forum is the only place I've seen HDR referenced, so "all" sounds like hyperbole at best.
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First 8K TV went on sale last Oct. There will always be something bigger, maybe better and definitely more expensive - at least to start:

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All? Who exactly is"all"?



This forum is the only place I've seen HDR referenced, so "all" sounds like hyperbole at best.


"All" is almost always hyperbole. I think he means the people that are into this stuff, which are obviously found in this forum. Most people going into Best Buy and buying a TV don't know what HDR is.

From what l've read here, a lot of people that are experiencing HDR at home say it is a much bigger deal than 4K alone.
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Looks like the 2016 models have been added to the Vizio store
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No 43"? Dang!
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no mention of wide color gamut...
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Prices/sizes here: http://www.vizio.com/m-series

HDR, but no Ultra Color Spectrum - looks like that's P- and R-Series only. M-Series gets HDR. E-Series is 4K. D-Series a mix of 1080p and 4K models.

The pricing for the 65" has my attention, especially since the 60" is just a couple bills less. Awaiting reviews, but looks like I'll be switching up after all. Will someone PLEASE kick Jeff Bezos in the junk until he gives proper Android support, darn it!

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Since there is no 43" 2016 M model I can't figure our what to get. Its either a M43-C1 or LG (43UH6100 or 43UH6500). Information on the LG is scarce.
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Just ordered an M60-C3 from Dell.
I have no internet service at home except cellular broadband, so in order to connect a TV to the web, I must use the hotspot feature on my smart phone.
That is no big deal, but I was wondering, if I connect the TV when I get it, will it immediately download the latest firmware?
It is impractical to leave it connected to my mobile hotspot for days at a time but I would like to have the latest updates.
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The TV will download a newer firmware only when it's off and checks for an update. You can perform a 'Service check' request through the System menu, then turn it off and hope for the best.
There's no way to tell when exactly it will actually update, ideally you really need an internet connection.
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"All" is almost always hyperbole. I think he means the people that are into this stuff, which are obviously found in this forum. Most people going into Best Buy and buying a TV don't know what HDR is.

From what l've read here, a lot of people that are experiencing HDR at home say it is a much bigger deal than 4K alone.
Thanks lucacow!
*Sigh... Did I REALLY need to spell it out?? ok so here is your wiki definition of "all". All: in this instance, "all" refers to any and all infividuals who have experienced proper HDR hands/eyes on in ideal viewing conditions. All also refers to industry leaders and experts, you know, the people how either attend or present at CES each year as well as content creators, you know, hollywood and friends. IF you actually followed this stuff at all, you would know what the buzz is in the industry and enthusiast circles. Many were bitching about 4K being useless from the very start, but I have yet to see anyone complain that HDR is a useless gimick.

So are we clear now?? Fock me...

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Just ordered an M60-C3 from Dell.
I have no internet service at home except cellular broadband, so in order to connect a TV to the web, I must use the hotspot feature on my smart phone.
That is no big deal, but I was wondering, if I connect the TV when I get it, will it immediately download the latest firmware?
It is impractical to leave it connected to my mobile hotspot for days at a time but I would like to have the latest updates.
When I got my M60-C3 in January, it upgraded from whatever it was built with to 1.3.15 almost right away after being connected by wired Ethernet. It seemed like all of the Yahoo VIA apps and the firmware all did a big update nearly right away.

Within a couple of days it upgraded again to 1.3.15B which is still what it's running.
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*Sigh... Did I REALLY need to spell it out?? ok so here is your wiki definition of "all". All: in this instance, "all" refers to any and all infividuals who have experienced proper HDR hands/eyes on in ideal viewing conditions. All also refers to industry leaders and experts, you know, the people how either attend or present at CES each year as well as content creators, you know, hollywood and friends. IF you actually followed this stuff at all, you would know what the buzz is in the industry and enthusiast circles. Many were bitching about 4K being useless from the very start, but I have yet to see anyone complain that HDR is a useless gimick.

So are we clear now?? Fock me...
I'm no expert. I only casually follow "this stuff" on sites like avsforum. Based on your comments (and the comments of others wetting their knickers about HDR), we should all throw away our 2015 M65s because HDR is a "game changer."

I hope you realize I am being sincere. You're "all" making 2015 M65s seem worthless. Is that your intent? Did our TVs really go from a great TV to a paperweight in a matter of months?
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The 2015 M didn't become a paperweight, but it can't (and won't be able to) take advantage of HDR content either.
Currently the availability of such content is relatively limited, but as time progresses it'll become more and more common and widespread.
HDR, and especially the Dolby Vision implementation IS a game changer, in regards to picture quality and detail level it can achive. And so, technically, yes, the 2015 M is now obsolete, but it doesn't really mean you have to bin your current TV and get a new one.
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The 2015 M didn't become a paperweight, but it can't (and won't be able to) take advantage of HDR content either.
Currently the availability of such content is relatively limited, but as time progresses it'll become more and more common and widespread.
HDR, and especially the Dolby Vision implementation IS a game changer, in regards to picture quality and detail level it can achive. And so, technically, yes, the 2015 M is now obsolete, but it doesn't really mean you have to bin your current TV and get a new one.
"Obsolete" is an overstatement. It certainly is a bit disappointing that we wont be able to take advantage of the new UHD premium features on 4k blu rays and streaming services, but for most content available it is still a great TV. I'll be holding on to mine until OLED becomes more affordable.
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After the credit card company honored the price match request, I ended up getting my M60-C3 for $699. HDR or not, I consider that a killer deal and when I decide I really need HDR/DV/WCG I will hope for another great deal and will move this to another room. Like @Hutty said, it is still a great set with a great picture. I am sure it will last me a few years before I even consider upgrading again. Especially if I would quit reading threads about the newer stuff .
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