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I too just received the update and checked my Xbox One S. Do you actually have the the ability to check the HDR option in the settings? I can change the color depth to 30 bits per pixel (10-bit) and it will display but can't check the HDR option.
Yes it does allow me to check the box only when connected to my receiver, which is not altering the signal in anyway. For reference, I am using a Pioneer Elite SC-99 with the latest firmware. I does 4k/60 and HDR pass through.
I did test with the Xbox 1 S directly connected to HDMI 5 only, and it still allowed me to check the HDR box after selecting 4k from the drop down, then selecting 10-bit after. I think something is going on. The image quality is great and the TV is reading 4k res, but...I know technically it is impossible for it to display a 10-bit picture as it is 8-bit, and it has no HDR. But the Xbox 1 S is reading and showing that it is sending both. All I know is 4k Blu-ray looks really good but is not HDR.

Get this tidbit - when connected and using pass through HDMI switching from the receiver, I can even select 36-bit color depth (12-bit) and it will display. Again, the receiver is set to pass through and it has an up conversion feature that is off.

I have no expertise or idea why the tv is able to read these signals, or if the true signal indicated on the Xbox 1 S is actually outputting. I just know it is selected as I said and the tv has picture, and it looks nice...not 2016 P-Series HDR nice, but looks good and well formatted.

Note - PC also direct connected to HDMI 5 using the fore mentioned graphics card outputs also allows 10-bit RGB out at both 1080p/60 and 4/k 60.

Sorry I can't be more help with explanations as to why it is working, it just is.
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So I posted this in the Denon thread but I thought I'd try here too. DO I use the TV or the AVR to upscale stuff? Any thoughts out there?

"I have a Vizio M80C3 2015 4K TV that can do a pretty decent job of upscaling. Is it worth letting the 6300 do the job and hand it or turn that off and let the TV do it? Anyone have both and tried it?

I was setting speakers up last night and it was a pain to keep switching HDMI inputs and input settings."

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So I posted this in the Denon thread but I thought I'd try here too. DO I use the TV or the AVR to upscale stuff? Any thoughts out there?

"I have a Vizio M80C3 2015 4K TV that can do a pretty decent job of upscaling. Is it worth letting the 6300 do the job and hand it or turn that off and let the TV do it? Anyone have both and tried it?

I was setting speakers up last night and it was a pain to keep switching HDMI inputs and input settings."

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I've tried both with my m60 and x6200w and didn't really notice any difference
So I just let the tv do it
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usually the resident Denon guru jdsmoothie advises to just let the tv do the upscaling.
I've tried both with my m60 and x6200w and didn't really notice any difference
So I just let the tv do it
I wonder if those having any issues with signal might benefit more from having the signal "normalized" from the AVR prior to it hitting the TV, assuming the AVR can handle the input/output signals appropriately, since the TV struggles with it.
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I wonder if those having any issues with signal might benefit more from having the signal "normalized" from the AVR prior to it hitting the TV, assuming the AVR can handle the input/output signals appropriately, since the TV struggles with it.
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Yes it does allow me to check the box only when connected to my receiver, which is not altering the signal in anyway. For reference, I am using a Pioneer Elite SC-99 with the latest firmware. I does 4k/60 and HDR pass through.
I did test with the Xbox 1 S directly connected to HDMI 5 only, and it still allowed me to check the HDR box after selecting 4k from the drop down, then selecting 10-bit after. I think something is going on. The image quality is great and the TV is reading 4k res, but...I know technically it is impossible for it to display a 10-bit picture as it is 8-bit, and it has no HDR. But the Xbox 1 S is reading and showing that it is sending both. All I know is 4k Blu-ray looks really good but is not HDR.

Get this tidbit - when connected and using pass through HDMI switching from the receiver, I can even select 36-bit color depth (12-bit) and it will display. Again, the receiver is set to pass through and it has an up conversion feature that is off.

I have no expertise or idea why the tv is able to read these signals, or if the true signal indicated on the Xbox 1 S is actually outputting. I just know it is selected as I said and the tv has picture, and it looks nice...not 2016 P-Series HDR nice, but looks good and well formatted.

Note - PC also direct connected to HDMI 5 using the fore mentioned graphics card outputs also allows 10-bit RGB out at both 1080p/60 and 4/k 60.

Sorry I can't be more help with explanations as to why it is working, it just is.
Thanks for the response. I have mine directly connected to HDMI 5 and can't get that option. I wonder if it has to do with different panels on the bigger model TVs. I think as some have mentioned in this thread, these TVs have the ability to technically display as a 10bit panel and that's what this new firmware update has unlocked. Even though the HDR was not checked, I tried playing a 4k bluray with HDR and honestly couldn't tell the difference from the last time I watched it.
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I did not have any 4k/60 issues until the 1.3.34 update (and that was after months of 4k/60 use).


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What exactly is the issue, you will be playing the game and then the display will just go blank for a few seconds and come back? That is so weird.. sounds like something inside the panel is going bad.

If it's an issue with the TV - Vizio should warranty it because it's clearly not working properly.

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Which OS

Also this probably goes without saying but everyone has it hooked up to HDMI 5 on the side of the TV right?
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What exactly is the issue, you will be playing the game and then the display will just go blank for a few seconds and come back? That is so weird.. sounds like something inside the panel is going bad.

If it's an issue with the TV - Vizio should warranty it because it's clearly not working properly.

Other issues it could be are:
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GPU model
GPU drivers
Which OS

Also this probably goes without saying but everyone has it hooked up to HDMI 5 on the side of the TV right?

That is basically what happens but it can happen just sitting on the desktop.

The fact that other people have reported this issue even when directly connected to their display (via HDMI 5) means it is not just my unit, this is an issue that Vizio must address.

The only time that I had something similar happen was with a particular Nvidia driver/Windows 10 update combo (it was resolved).

The tv has been fine up until 1.3.34 and now I have random blank screens when using 4k/60.

Every cable in the chain is rated up to 18 Gbps and has worked flawlessly (until the 1.3.34 update).

I have SLI 980ti's (HDMI 2.0) on driver 372.90 and Windows 10-64 Pro (latest build).

Obviously using HDMI 5, yes.


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Thanks for the response. I have mine directly connected to HDMI 5 and can't get that option. I wonder if it has to do with different panels on the bigger model TVs. I think as some have mentioned in this thread, these TVs have the ability to technically display as a 10bit panel and that's what this new firmware update has unlocked. Even though the HDR was not checked, I tried playing a 4k bluray with HDR and honestly couldn't tell the difference from the last time I watched it.
You bet. Glad to provide any info I have. I still have 0 idea what the new update does. Everyone seems to have a different opinion, hence me simply posting my personal experience.

I don't notice any difference between HDR and non-HDR when playing discs, so clearly the TV is able to filter that out no what if it is checked or not.

Hey, question for you please...Do you know if the 2015 M-Series upconversion is any good? Or do you think I should use my receiver? I feel it upscales fine, but would like other opinions. If you have any info on that , it would be welcomed.

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What a mess this all is!

I am going to put my M55-C2 on craigslist. What do you think a fair price would be? I see it's going for $950 brand new on Walmart.com and I've had the TV for 7 months. Would something like $675 be reasonable? Lower? What do you think?
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What a mess this all is!

I am going to put my M55-C2 on craigslist. What do you think a fair price would be? I see it's going for $950 brand new on Walmart.com and I've had the TV for 7 months. Would something like $675 be reasonable? Lower? What do you think?
Sure. List it at that. If it doesn't sell you can always go lower.

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That is basically what happens but it can happen just sitting on the desktop.

The fact that other people have reported this issue even when directly connected to their display (via HDMI 5) means it is not just my unit, this is an issue that Vizio must address.

The only time that I had something similar happen was with a particular Nvidia driver/Windows 10 update combo (it was resolved).

The tv has been fine up until 1.3.34 and now I have random blank screens when using 4k/60.

Every cable in the chain is rated up to 18 Gbps and has worked flawlessly (until the 1.3.34 update).

I have SLI 980ti's (HDMI 2.0) on driver 372.90 and Windows 10-64 Pro (latest build).

Obviously using HDMI 5, yes.



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The latest driver is 373.06 as of 5 October. I have the EVGA 980ti M65-C1 and no issues with [email protected] and have the 1.3.34 firmware update and I am in the Win 10 preview program with the build 14942.

The 5.0 is here
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The latest driver is 373.06 as of 5 October. I have the EVGA 980ti M65-C1 and no issues with [email protected] and have the 1.3.34 firmware update and I am in the Win 10 preview program with the build 14942.

Yeah I will probably move to 373.06 (when I get the Gears 4 X1S bundle on Nov.1st) but after reading the Nvidia forums I decided to stick with the previous driver (seems there are many issues with 373.06).
I used many other drivers before 372.90 without the 4k/60 blanking issue, it's pretty obvious it's firmware related when it has not happened for months but then happens within 10 minutes of a firmware update and has blanked several times since.


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Yes it does allow me to check the box only when connected to my receiver, which is not altering the signal in anyway. For reference, I am using a Pioneer Elite SC-99 with the latest firmware. I does 4k/60 and HDR pass through.
I did test with the Xbox 1 S directly connected to HDMI 5 only, and it still allowed me to check the HDR box after selecting 4k from the drop down, then selecting 10-bit after. I think something is going on. The image quality is great and the TV is reading 4k res, but...I know technically it is impossible for it to display a 10-bit picture as it is 8-bit, and it has no HDR. But the Xbox 1 S is reading and showing that it is sending both. All I know is 4k Blu-ray looks really good but is not HDR.
Get this tidbit - when connected and using pass through HDMI switching from the receiver, I can even select 36-bit color depth (12-bit) and it will display. Again, the receiver is set to pass through and it has an up conversion feature that is off.
I have no expertise or idea why the tv is able to read these signals, or if the true signal indicated on the Xbox 1 S is actually outputting. I just know it is selected as I said and the tv has picture, and it looks nice...not 2016 P-Series HDR nice, but looks good and well formatted.
Note - PC also direct connected to HDMI 5 using the fore mentioned graphics card outputs also allows 10-bit RGB out at both 1080p/60 and 4/k 60.
Sorry I can't be more help with explanations as to why it is working, it just is.

I can confirm that UHD Blu-ray looks fantastic without WCG or HDR.

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Thanks for the response. I have mine directly connected to HDMI 5 and can't get that option. I wonder if it has to do with different panels on the bigger model TVs. I think as some have mentioned in this thread, these TVs have the ability to technically display as a 10bit panel and that's what this new firmware update has unlocked. Even though the HDR was not checked, I tried playing a 4k bluray with HDR and honestly couldn't tell the difference from the last time I watched it.


When I connected my UHD player to the TV it comes up as an 8 bit panel, and this is after the new update. I wonder if I ran it again what it would say, or if I could force it to output as something different.
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Do you have a weak signal? Go to menu, system, system information and on the left, look for your channel info. There will be a signal indicator. I've found anything over 50 does good for me. If you have a weak signal, like darrellr said, the tv might be retuning to the channel causing the info banner to pop up.

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I was on with Vizio chat today complaining about the [email protected] bug. The 2nd guy actually looked at the thread link I sent him to this forum. He contacted the "Advanced Team" and he reported. " Okay, they advised they are aware of it but are still actively working on a firmware to address it. I am sorry but they did not have an ETA on that firmware."

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How is this place able to sell it for so low? Offer up says it's NIB

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DId anyone go from a M 801d A3, the 80" 1080P M series, to the new 4k? OR Just a M series 1080p to the 4k?
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How is this place able to sell it for so low? Offer up says it's NIB

That's about what I paid for it at Target in May. Curious - if you do sell it, let us know for how much when it actually sells. I've toyed with the idea of selling mine, too (actually had it up on CL), but my wife likes it just fine and I don't honestly know what to replace it with at around the same cost.
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That's about what I paid for it at Target in May. Curious - if you do sell it, let us know for how much when it actually sells. I've toyed with the idea of selling mine, too (actually had it up on CL), but my wife likes it just fine and I don't honestly know what to replace it with at around the same cost.
Will be very difficult selling it privately. They don't hold value very well at all considering how quickly prices drop online for new ones. I think if one was able to get $400 for a used set, that would be fairly lucky.

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I was on with Vizio chat today complaining about the [email protected] bug. The 2nd guy actually looked at the thread link I sent him to this forum. He contacted the "Advanced Team" and he reported. " Okay, they advised they are aware of it but are still actively working on a firmware to address it. I am sorry but they did not have an ETA on that firmware."

Have a good weekend!
Well, that might just be an empty promise from Vizio, but it still gives me hope!

If anything it does confirm what the NVIDIA rep said about working with Vizio on a fix. A little concerning it hasn't been nailed down yet, though.

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Got my Vizio M70 up and running and was wondering why when casting Netflix I am not seeing the HDR logo in the description in shows I know that are supposed to be HDR. For instance Marco Polo
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Got my Vizio M70 up and running and was wondering why when casting Netflix I am not seeing the HDR logo in the description in shows I know that are supposed to be HDR. For instance Marco Polo
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2015 sets DO NOT HAVE HAVE HDR CAPABILITY!
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Display issue

I don't have a pic to share, but I am hoping that I can describe the phenomenon well enough to get some insight. I have owned the M60-C3 (for almost a year now) and am quite happy with the picture quality overall except for the following. When there is a thin dark line followed by a thin white line the image flickers in that area. An example would be a white fence on a dark background or a man's suit with light pinstripes or a dark cloth. Is this inherent in the video processing or a function of the backlighting? Is there something in the settings that can reduce or eliminate this issue? My guess is that this is an inherent problem with this display and I will need to wait for OLED to come into my price range. I am mostly watching HD cable via Xfinity. Any thoughts or help would be greatly appreciated.
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I don't have a pic to share, but I am hoping that I can describe the phenomenon well enough to get some insight. I have owned the M60-C3 (for almost a year now) and am quite happy with the picture quality overall except for the following. When there is a thin dark line followed by a thin white line the image flickers in that area. An example would be a white fence on a dark background or a man's suit with light pinstripes or a dark cloth. Is this inherent in the video processing or a function of the backlighting? Is there something in the settings that can reduce or eliminate this issue? My guess is that this is an inherent problem with this display and I will need to wait for OLED to come into my price range. I am mostly watching HD cable via Xfinity. Any thoughts or help would be greatly appreciated.
Same set, same issue! I especially noticed this watching South Park. Thought I was seeing things at first but nope
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Pretty sure I have a 2016 model. I mean I just purchased it. It has the VizioCast also
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Pretty sure I have a 2016 model. I mean I just purchased it. It has the VizioCast also
Then Your in the wrong thread you need to go to the 2016 thread
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I don't have a pic to share, but I am hoping that I can describe the phenomenon well enough to get some insight. I have owned the M60-C3 (for almost a year now) and am quite happy with the picture quality overall except for the following. When there is a thin dark line followed by a thin white line the image flickers in that area. An example would be a white fence on a dark background or a man's suit with light pinstripes or a dark cloth. Is this inherent in the video processing or a function of the backlighting? Is there something in the settings that can reduce or eliminate this issue? My guess is that this is an inherent problem with this display and I will need to wait for OLED to come into my price range. I am mostly watching HD cable via Xfinity. Any thoughts or help would be greatly appreciated.
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Same set, same issue! I especially noticed this watching South Park. Thought I was seeing things at first but nope
What you guys describe sounds like the ringing effect caused by too much sharpness, among other things. Try dialing it down a bit and see if that helps. This is not unique to Vizios or LCDs. I have sharpness at 20 for OTA and apps viewing, and zero for PC use at native 4K. I hardly ever see any ringing.

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What you guys describe sounds like the ringing effect caused by too much sharpness, among other things. Try dialing it down a bit and see if that helps. This is not unique to Vizios or LCDs. I have sharpness at 20 for OTA and apps viewing, and zero for PC use at native 4K. I hardly ever see any ringing.
I had it set to 34 and just turned it down to 15. Will see how it looks. Let me know if there are any other settings that could affect this.


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Hmm, I have mine at only 15. Will bump it down a few notches and see what happens as well
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