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Turned on my 70 inch and this was on the screen. Hope this is good.Click image for larger version

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Turned on my 70 inch and this was on the screen. Hope this is good.Attachment 849618
Edit: I do not know why the picture came out upside-down
me too, I wonder what it did

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Turned on my 70 inch and this was on the screen. Hope this is good.Attachment 849618
Edit: I do not know why the picture came out upside-down
I was told this in a chat by a vizio rep

"this update was for Overall picture quality and system improvements, and screen dropout when running 1080p at 120Hz resolution."

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I immediately searched for the software version after that and to my surprise it is 1.2.14-UHD. That is right. This TV came with the new firmware installed on it. Here is a list of what appears to work on this TV that doesn’t work on my 55” M-series which still has the old firmware.
Something really weird happened today. My M80-C3 downloaded a software update. It is now at 1.2.23. I guess the M80-C3s were originally shipped with an intermediate firmware version. It had most of the new features but something was not quite right. I can't tell what is different but everything that worked before is working now as well with the latest firmware.

I was able to get 1080p @ 120 FPS and 4K @ 60 FPS to work but neither are 4:4:4. That really isn't necessary in my opinion though.
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When i stream movies from my pc to my TV i have never had such horrible input lag. I just go this tv a few days ago and now its almost unbearable to watch any streaming content because the movie will look fine but every few seconds it like lags or jitters around then goes back to normal. Ive messed with all the settings taking off judder and motion blur and it has no effect on the content that is streamed. ALSO every single time i set my calibration up on the TV it will revert back to Vivid mode mid play.. Otherwise i love the tv but this streaming issue is a killer. Mind you this is through plex from my PC and not netlfix. Netlfix Amazon and Hulu all work fine. Any solutions?
What format are your streamed files, and where are they coming from?
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Still haven't got the update. Did the system check, turn tv off and went to work all day. I got nothing lol. I will be alright. When it drops it drops.

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What kind of TV do you have?

I have Pioneer and Panasonic plasmas. I hope I never have to buy an LCD TV. Even the best ones are bad enough. My fear is that Samsung is going to ride the Nano Crystal/Quantum Dots horse and put their emissive OLED TVs on the back burner. I was hoping that technology would be further along then where it is at this point.
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Something really weird happened today. My M80-C3 downloaded a software update. It is now at 1.2.23.
Mine was downloaded yesterday and the screen was normal (right side up). What exactly does the update due?
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I'm looking forward to the updated firmware -- if my M50 ever downloads it. Vizio's firmware update process might be okay for Ma and Pa Kettle, but it sure is an annoyance for anyone who actually keeps up with what is happening (to others).
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Hey guys,

I just picked up a M43-C1 and was wondering if there's a general settings list that someone has proven to be a good base to start from for optimal picture quality? My biggest complaint so far is the ghosting and jitteryness of the fast motion...how do I get rid of that, and I'll be pretty happy with it?

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1.2.23 Firmware Release Notes

Thank you for your recent inquiry with VIZIO. I would be more than happy to help you. Here at VIZIO we do offer best in class technical support.

There are many fixes included in this update:
- Frequent screen dropout when running 1080p at 120Hz resolution.
- Losing all video.
- No power or loss of power
- Some TVs display ?not enough free disk space to finish installation?
- No audio on HDMI 5
- Powers off then reboots
- DirecTV?s IR remote may cause TV to go into Store Demo
- Overall picture quality improvements
- Overall system improvements.
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1.2.23 Firmware Release Notes

Thank you for your recent inquiry with VIZIO. I would be more than happy to help you. Here at VIZIO we do offer best in class technical support.

There are many fixes included in this update:
- Frequent screen dropout when running 1080p at 120Hz resolution.
- Losing all video.
- No power or loss of power
- Some TVs display ?not enough free disk space to finish installation?
- No audio on HDMI 5
- Powers off then reboots
- DirecTV?s IR remote may cause TV to go into Store Demo
- Overall picture quality improvements
- Overall system improvements.
Wow you actually got a response? Tyson always tells me it's confidential.
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Is this update for the m65 also,how do i do it,do I really need to it if I don't have any problems? Thxs
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Is the 55" still not able to do 120 hz at 1080p? Wondering if it was a firmware thing.
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When i stream movies from my pc to my TV i have never had such horrible input lag. I just go this tv a few days ago and now its almost unbearable to watch any streaming content because the movie will look fine but every few seconds it like lags or jitters around then goes back to normal. Ive messed with all the settings taking off judder and motion blur and it has no effect on the content that is streamed. ALSO every single time i set my calibration up on the TV it will revert back to Vivid mode mid play.. Otherwise i love the tv but this streaming issue is a killer. Mind you this is through plex from my PC and not netlfix. Netlfix Amazon and Hulu all work fine. Any solutions?
I had the same issue on bigger files. But after switching from my 5ghz to 2.4 ghz my problems are all gone. Seems my router and tv placement was not good for the 5ghz being behind a brick wall. Try that and see. It was also a 14.gb file.

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Is the 55" still not able to do 120 hz at 1080p? Wondering if it was a firmware thing.

Thy most likely will never be "fixed" as anything below 60" is a 60hz panel. In order to take advantage of [email protected] you would need a 60" or larger.


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Wow you actually got a response? Tyson always tells me it's confidential.
Well there were no details given for "overall picture quality improvements"

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1.2.23 Firmware !!!! FINALLY !!!!

So what does everyone think of the update so far?
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No update on my M70.
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Is the 55" still not able to do 120 hz at 1080p? Wondering if it was a firmware thing.
The M55 will not do 1080p @ 120 FPS even after the update. I tried it with my M55. My P50 and M80 both do 1080p @ 120 FPS after the update though. I have to force that resolution and frame rate on the M80 but it comes up right away on the P50.
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1.2.23 Firmware !!!! FINALLY !!!!

So what does everyone think of the update so far?
Its really horrible........... If you hate Vizio and want them to fail.
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[email protected] & [email protected] fixed for Windows 10. Just received a driver updated through windows and verified all is good.
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I'm think of pulling the trigger for 50" but have a few questions for 50" or 55" owners.

How's the motion when playing like PS4 games? Does the panel being 60hz really hurt the motion handling? rtings advise against this set for games.

Is it possible to playback video files (mkv, mp4, mpeg) off from usb? Or any 4k videos downloaded off internet?

Does the hdmi cec work well with PS4? I currently have Sony Bravia tv that can switch the input automatically when I turn on my ps4 and switch it back to previous input once I turn off ps4. It was very convenient but not sure if I pair this with Vizio brand it will work the same.
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1.2.23 Firmware Release Notes

Thank you for your recent inquiry with VIZIO. I would be more than happy to help you. Here at VIZIO we do offer best in class technical support.

There are many fixes included in this update:
- Frequent screen dropout when running 1080p at 120Hz resolution.
- Losing all video.
- No power or loss of power
- Some TVs display ?not enough free disk space to finish installation?
- No audio on HDMI 5
- Powers off then reboots
- DirecTV?s IR remote may cause TV to go into Store Demo
- Overall picture quality improvements
- Overall system improvements.
How would I go about updating the firmware?
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Official 2015 Vizio 4K UHD M Series Thread

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How would I go about updating the firmware?

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You have to have your computer connected to the Internet and have it powered off. Vizio pushes out updates to TVs grouped by S\N. Once your group is "green lit" it will download and install while the TV is off. You can use the service check trick to get the update a little earlier, but that only works once your TVs s/n group is green lit.


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What's simply not true? Perhaps it wasn't clear but those comments are also from the author of the article. I think we all understand your views but I don't know how I can make it any more clear from my prior post that cnet (i.e. Katzmaier) rates the M series higher than JU7100 strictly on PQ - forget about perceive value and the final score.
He is testing the TV in a totally dark room except when he tests for glare and reflections. If you light a candle in the room the FALD technology advantage goes away. He does not share this in the article and I think it is misleading. I would say 99% of my customers say they watch TV with some ambient light in the room. Also, Vizio's Fald tech has too few zones and is not highly rated.

He then goes on to say related to video processing "The M series performed admirably in this area, almost as well as the P series (after its software update) in fact. Neither quite equal the Samsung displays, but are still very good."

So "he" says the Samsung's have better video processing but yet he rates the Vizios higher related to picture quality because they deliver slightly better blacks in a "totally" dark room that will only benefit a small group of people. I maintain that this review is biased toward Vizio and he touts the black level thing because this is the only advantage he can find with this TV.

I don't want to be labeled as the great defender of Samsung but I think my customers need to know the whole story. Sometimes what is "not" said is more important than what "is" said. I don't own a Samsung TV and hope I am never forced to buy an LCD TV so I am not defending a TV I currently own. In other words, I don't have a horse in this race. I am using Samsung as a reference because 95% of my customers are only interested in 2 companies (Samsung and Vizio). Even though I think Sony, LG and Sharp make great products as well but only a very small percentage of customers are interested in those lines. The bottom line is Samsung makes a better TV than Vizio but it should be better because it costs more.

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As for performance in a room with ambient light, again from the cnet review of the M series:

"The screen finish on the M and P series is an identical semi-matte that does an excellent job controlling reflections -- better than any glossy screen. On the other hand it fails to preserve black levels as well as the glossier finish of the Samsungs, robbing the image of some contrast. That said I find bright reflections more annoying than lack of contrast in bright rooms, so overall I consider the Vizios (and the matte Sony) superior to the Samsungs in this category (Bright Lighting)."

I'm certainly not asking you to accept Katzmaier/cnet as the final authority but if you want to represent his views/cnet accurately then there's no way around it - he simply thinks the M series has better PQ regardless of price and lighting conditions.
He is confirming here what I have said. The Vizios can't compete with the Samsungs when ambient light is present. Also, this is his opinion which is subjective related to reflections. I can tell you that the majority of customers prefer the Samsung gloss glass over the Vizio "hazy/foggy" glass. The video has more "pop" with the Samsungs and most customers prefer the light absorbing/blackish tint with the Samsungs versus the Vizios hazy/foggy glass. Some customers have even said we need to clean the Vizio displays with Windex.
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Here is what Cnet found,"The semi-matte screens of the Vizios and the Sony X850C were superior at reducing the intensity of reflections compared with the glossy Samsungs.

With Game mode engaged, the JU7100 scored a phenomenal 21.6ms, among the lowest (best) we've measured on any TV. Only the Vizio M series did better so far this year, and by the slimmest of margins at 20.73.

The dimming wasn't perfect, however, and I noticed similar issues as I saw on the JS8500, including occasional "pops" where the letterbox bars would change in intensity. I also noticed namely large-area brightness variations with certain material. The most obvious came up when I simply hit Pause on my PS3, which cause the bottom half of the screen to illuminate during dark scenes. I saw a similar issue on the top of the screen with a spinning "loading" logo against a black background. To be fair other dimming/blooming issues were also visible on the full-array local dimming Vizios, but they were more, well, local.

The Vizio's reproduced the scene best by far, with their relatively inky black levels in the black of space and the letterbox bars, while the Sony's rendition was by far the most washed-out and lightest (alone among the TVs in this lineup, the Sony lacks local dimming).

Black level: The JU7100 can deliver a relatively deep shade of black for an LCD TV, but it wasn't the deepest in our lineup. That distinction belonged to the Vizio M and P series. Compared with those, the rest of the displays were lighter and less impactful in dark scenes, showing less contrast and overall pop.

Picture quality
The JU7100 scored a 7 in this category, which is very good, but not quite up to the 8 I awarded the Vizio M series. The main reason is the Vizio's superior black-level performance, which leads to better contrast, the most important aspect of image quality, especially in the darker rooms favored for home theater viewing."
I addressed most of this in post 2368
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"Can't hold a candle" yet says that the Vizios and Sonys are superior in a Bright Room due to the semi matte screen.


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He is confirming here what I have said. The Vizios can't compete with the Samsungs when ambient light is present. Also, this is his opinion which is subjective related to reflections. I can tell you that the majority of customers prefer the Samsung gloss glass over the Vizio "hazy/foggy" glass. The video has more "pop" with the Samsungs and most customers prefer the light absorbing/blackish tint with the Samsungs versus the Vizios hazy/foggy glass. Some customers have even said we need to clean the Vizio displays with Windex.
That is simply not true. They all perform very similarly in a brightly lit room. Here is what rtings.com measured for each. Cedric gave all 3 of them the same score(9.0) for a brightly lit room because they all have very similar performance in that aspect.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-.../m-series-2015

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-...samsung/ju7100

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-...samsung/js8500

2015 Vizio M60 - 310.3 cd/m2
2015 Samsung JU7100 - 323.5 cd/m2
2015 Samsung JS8500 - 365.0 cd/m2
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