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post #5191 of 10380 Old 11-25-2015, 03:27 PM
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So I've mounted and quasi-calibrated the 85" JU7100 and wow, is this screen stunning. Color, contrast, definition, just about everything is about as good as I've ever seen in a TV anywhere near this size.

One frustrating thing I can't seem to figure out for the life of me though. Screen tearing on streaming sources and DirecTV. For whatever reason, the image and motion is absolutely PERFECT when playing Blu-Rays, but whenever I try either using DirecTV or streaming Netflix, YouTube etc, from any device (tried Apple TV and the Oppo BDP-103), I get screen tearing. I've tried playing with all the settings I can and the most noticeable difference I can make is just getting the location of the tearing to move. Depending on the setting, sometimes it's right at the top 20% of the screen. Change a setting, and the tear moves to the bottom. Really irritating. What am I doing wrong? Seems odd that there is absolutely zero tearing with BD playback, so perhaps it's a sync issue with the streaming sources?
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Ju7100 VS Js8500 - only two 4k flat panel choices worth considering

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I assumed someone would reply with exactly this

FYI, not to incite a screaming match between people, but I refuse to buy a curved set, people can list 50 reasons why the curved set is better and I still wouldn't pick a curved set over a flat one, just personal preference. And I'm pretty brand loyal to Samsung when it comes to LCDs. So that limits my search to basically the 7100 or 8500.
I decided to buy both and see which one I liked better (65" JU7100 vs 65" JS8500).

At end of day, the picture quality is very very similar, especially once you calibrate the JU7100 with the settings from here.

- JS8500 edge lighting in the JS8500 can produce a darker scene - especially in scenes with high contrast - like the Life of Pi HDR clips. The darks are darker.
- On more evenly lit scenes, the HDR performance in same ballpark with the test clips (Life of Pi, Exodus)
- Colors don't seem appreciably different too me (after using the settings from this feed) - quantum dots or not; side by side TV\movies look exactly the same. (which is the point of reproducing colors accurately)
- JU7100 just can't hit the blacks - especially with letter boxes since it doesn't have the ability to turn the edge lights off in those regions.
- The funny thing with the two different back lighting methods - they just end up creating blooms on dark scenes (like moving the cursor around) in a different pattern. Either model can be distracting. On a black screen with a channel # showing in middle of the screen, the JS8500 lights up the middle of the screen; the JU7100 does a more even light up. But still need plasma or OLED or something for that to go away.
- Bezel color; in my dark built-in, i prefer the JU7100 bezel over the chrome JS8500. Toyed with going to BJ's and getting a JS850 with the dark bezel.

Otherwise - the software is exactly the same, remote (sans backlight), one connect box, size, etc etc.

In the end, the JS8500 went back to amazon today - this one had the defect the JS8500 thread has been talking about, some sort of right corner light leakage - that for a $2000 tv - not cool. it had the infamous right corner light bleed issue that is affecting the 65" models.

Hope this helps!
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Trying as best I can to get a natural but still color boom effect without getting the grey veil on the picture. I must say that the cabel signals we get are at sometimes very variable. But streaming movies should be anyhow a good experience.
I`ve tried a couple of different settings, given that I don`t have the equipment to do it myself. So, how to enhance and get as good picture as possible when the TV is located in a livingroom that has 8 hours daylight outside in the winter and almost 16 hours of daylight in the summer?

It`s mostly used for watching TV and occaionally movies? ....I mean insted of reading 174 pages of disussions
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....I mean insted of reading 174 pages of disussions
Haha. I hear ya. I tried to find my answer before posting, but gave up after about a dozen pages realizing it would take me like a month to read every page thoroughly.
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Trying as best I can to get a natural but still color boom effect without getting the grey veil on the picture. I must say that the cabel signals we get are at sometimes very variable. But streaming movies should be anyhow a good experience.
I`ve tried a couple of different settings, given that I don`t have the equipment to do it myself. So, how to enhance and get as good picture as possible when the TV is located in a livingroom that has 8 hours daylight outside in the winter and almost 16 hours of daylight in the summer?

It`s mostly used for watching TV and occaionally movies? ....I mean insted of reading 174 pages of disussions
If you look back a couple of pages, you will find my and ArchonX's settings. From one of those, move your Gamma slider down to darken the image. Once you do that, increase your Backlight to get the image brighter. Other than that, you can fiddle with Dynamic Contrast and Black Tone to see if you can get your image less gray. Be careful not to go too far where you will lose details.
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Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

I will be re-calibrating my 55" Samsung JU7100 TV tonight with new info I obtained, going to 2.25 Gamma, REC 709, colors as spot on as possible.

Calibration goals:

-Deepest blacks I can get while maintaining dynamic range
-As accurate of a greyscale as I can get
-Accurate colors
-All 3 rules of ISF calibration while getting some pop

Using Chromapure and HCFR together for nearly unlimited calibration flexibility.

I will be posting them late tonight or tomorrow.
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Samsung 55" JU7100 calibrated picture settings:
Cal-Day Daylight: **Updated 12/22/2015**

Cal-Night/Dark:
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Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

I will be re-calibrating my 55" Samsung JU7100 TV tonight with new info I obtained, going to 2.25 Gamma, REC 709, colors as spot on as possible.

Calibration goals:

-Deepest blacks I can get while maintaining dynamic range
-As accurate of a greyscale as I can get
-Accurate colors
-All 3 rules of ISF calibration while getting some pop

Using Chromapure and HCFR together for nearly unlimited calibration flexibility.

I will be posting them late tonight or tomorrow.
Now that we know how AnchorX looks like, perhaps its best to know how wildgator25 looks like as well? lolzzzz
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Now that we know how AnchorX looks like, perhaps its best to know how wildgator25 looks like as well? lolzzzz
Haha agree

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Hi everybody. I have around $1500 to spend and have narrowed it down to two televisions:

The Samsung UN65JU7100FXZA @ $1499 http://www.niceelectronics.com/prodi...lRwaAqdK8P8HAQ

Vizio: M65-C1 $1299 http://www.vizio.com/m65c1.html

The Samsung panel lottery implies that the sammy above at this price does not have the original samsung panel and I am wondering where I could buy it at the best price? Does this model use the Panel TH01 or beginning with a T for the panel designation and at what increase? Defintately seeking chroma 4:4:4. I believe the Vizio above satisfies it but they just sold out at $1299. I am interested in the best 60-65" 2015 TV I can find which has chroma 4:4:4 and a native 120hz panel refresh well under 2K. Would assume a 10-bit panel from Samsung would be made by them and support the 4:4:4 but at a premium...

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Well it looks as if I have joined you guys in JU7100 ownership as of today.

Purchased a UN60JU7100 today @ Sear's for a decent deal. Their current price is $1399 and I was able to convince them to take a 10% off Mover's coupon even though the coupon technically said it wouldn't work for the TV. Cashier tried it, the system denied it, and then I guess the guy didn't feel like disappointing the customer and he just manually punched in a 10% discount instead of denying the coupon. So I was pretty excited, $1260+ tax out the door. Only thing I'm slightly concerned about is that I got the very last one they had in stock, and when they brought it out, the box was a little damaged in the middle, clearly from having a strap around it too tight to the point where it split right through the top of the box. If it wasn't their last one I would have refused it and asked for another, but as best I can tell the TV looks fine inside so I decided to roll the dice. Worst case scenario I can return it and have them order me another one.

Best I can tell from my research, there is no "panel lottery" on the 60JU7100, but just to put it in writing in case anyone else is searching or it ever does become a lottery on these, mine says it is a MH01 on the side, which I understand is a Sharp made panel. I bought this to replace a 58" Panasonic Plasma that I sold prior to moving to a new house a short time ago. Just didn't feel like dealing with moving a TV that fragile, and also will be using it in a room that has a bit more natural light so a glass plasma screen wasn't the best choice.


My main seating position will be roughly 10.5' from the screen, I will be wall mounting it on a low-profile fixed position VideoSecu mount. Main use for the TV is probably a 50/50 split between video games and movies. Not sure what other information you guys would want. Once I have it set up and confirm everything is in good working order, I'll be scouring through this thread for some recommend settings adjustments. I'm nervous


Very excited to get this set up, hopefully tomorrow. I'm definitely a little nervous that it's going to be too big/overwhelming for the distance. I know lots of the charts/guides said I should be going even bigger but I taped it out on the wall and couldn't bring myself to buy a 65". If I put it up and it seems too big, I'll probably exchange it down for a UN55JS8500, which is what I almost bought originally.


Last thing I need to complete my setup is a soundbar. I'm downsizing from a full 5.1 setup in my former house just because we won't have nearly as many opportunities to play movies loud now with a small child in the house, and also don't want a ton of speakers/wires everywhere anymore since it'll be in a little bit more formal of a space. If anyone has a good recommendation on a soundbar (preferably one w/ a wireless sub), under $600, please let me know!
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Hi, can anyone pm me how to enable the cal-day, cal-night settings ?
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JU7500 should technically be better for gaming. I bought Black Ops 3 with season pass and don't see the jagginess issue, anti-alisasing for now. Seems to happen on extremely fast games or the ones that have poor aliasing. Add me in Black Ops3 i need help in this game i'm terrible (PS4 ID : ELIE3456).
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Got the 1430 update last night.
The picture seems different. Looks like the contrast and colors were boosted?
Anyone else notice this?
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Got the 1430 update last night.
The picture seems different. Looks like the contrast and colors were boosted?
Anyone else notice this?
I don't have it yet, but maybe this is the HDR update we have been waiting for? I hope so!
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I don't have it yet, but maybe this is the HDR update we have been waiting for? I hope so!
HDR update?
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HDR update?
yea they announced that the JU7100 and up will be able to handle HDR content in the future. Not sure it will come in a form of an update. I doubt that an update can ameliorate contrast too. Maybe they fix the broken Smart Led fonction wich makes only a very slight difference when activated.
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Must really be a brand new update. My set doesn't see it yet and it's not on the website either.
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ArchonX latest calibrated picture settings for Cal-Day/Daytime v2.2 "Adept" **Updated 12/22/15**

Changlog:
1. Found the culprit and fixed the dreaded Green-push (incorrect colors) thanks to a rogue ICM profile on my laptap. All is well and verified with another JU7100 that the issue has gone away (hopefully for everyone!)

2. Gamma changed to 1 from 0 (actually closer to 2.25 Gamma than 0 out of box).

3. GREATLY increased color accuracy and using my Galaxy Note Edge with MobileForge as the pattern generator ensures no ICM profile is messing with the patterns.

4. Increased Dynamic Range 44 Brightness, 97 Contrast (from 45 and 95 respectively before) which should yield deeper blacks and more pop.

5. Tested thoroughly to avoid clipping of white and colors.

Calibration Notes:

-TV: 55" Samsung JU7100 with the TS01 panel (Samsung, Glossy).
-Equipment: Core i5 Laptop, X-rite i1 Display Pro 3 with Pro table upgraded, SpectraCal Calman 5 Home Theater using MobileForge patterns.
-Keep Gamma at 1 for the very important 2.25 Gamma curve.
-You must put in all of these settings, each 10 pt. Interval and each color to get the full effect.

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Delta E (CIE2000): Under 0.1 for Greyscale, under 1.1 for color
Gamma: Ruler-flat 2.25 on all points

**Note: To get the best quality, use these settings EXACTLY as listed below. The only exception is sharpness: Set this to be correct for your TV and sitting distance. Go close to your screen and look at static text or lines, set your sharpness to 30 and work your way backwards until the halo (or ghosting effect) just disappears around the borders of lines or text. This is correct for your panel, everything else has to be set like below or you will possibly throw off the entire calibration! Especially important to not mess with Backlight, Brightness, Contrast, or Gamma.

Picture mode: Movie (Or Cal-Day if you unlocked it)
Backlight: 10
Contrast: 97
Brightness: 44
Sharpness: 25
Color: 50
Tint (G/R): G50-R50

Advanced Settings:
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: 0
Flesh Tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off
Color Space: Custom (see below)
White Balance: (Turn on 10 pt. See below)
Gamma: 1

Picture Options:
Color Tone: Warm2
Digital Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
HDMI Black Level: Auto
HDMI UHD Color: Off (unless you have/get a 4k video card or 4k Blu-ray players come out).
Film Mode: Auto1 (Auto2 for ESPN ticker box). May be greyed out, not a big deal either way.
Auto Motion Plus: Off or Clear: Turn this off to get rid of the motion soap opera effect.
Smart LED: Off (or Standard for more pop)

2 pt. White Balance:
R-Offset: -9
G-Offset: 0
B-Offset: -19
R-Gain: -19
G-Gain: 0
B-Gain: -15

10 pt. White Balance: (In R, G, B)

10%: 14, 34, 9
20%: -22, -22, -19
30%: -10, -9, -8
40%: 5, 0, 6
50%: 2, 2, 1
60%: 4, 4, 4
70%: -2, 0, 0
80%: 3, 3, 4
90%: 6, 3, 0
100%: 7, -1, -2

Color Space: Custom (In R, G, B)

Red: 59, 2, 1
Green: 0, 60, 0
Blue: 0, 5, 61
Yellow: 53, 52, 1
Cyan: 0, 55, 58
Magenta: 54, 5, 53

Enjoy! If you do use these, please let me know how they work out for you!
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Samsung 55" JU7100 calibrated picture settings:
Cal-Day Daylight: **Updated 12/22/2015**

Cal-Night/Dark:

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Archon, The white, color space and 10 point reflect quite a departure from your prior calibration, particularly 11/12 which worked out terrific for my set. I plan to try these new settings but am curious as to what accounts for the difference? Equipment? Technique? Room condition? Thanks
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Archon, The white, color space and 10 point reflect quite a departure from your prior calibration, particularly 11/12 which worked out terrific for my set. I plan to try these new settings but am curious as to what accounts for the difference? Equipment? Technique? Room condition? Thanks
Going to a ruler flat Gamma, using more powerful software, better meter thanks to "Pro" re-calibration and tuning. Better and more learned calibrator now too!

Expect:
-Deeper blacks (as good as I have been able to get out of this TV at least)
-More accurate color
-Ruler flat Gamma
-More depth, thanks to said Gamma

You can always try it and put back in your old settings if you liked them better. As for me, this is by far my best and favorite calibration to date.

For anyone looking for my latest and greatest settings, or want to try some on your set, please see post #5210 above. I just finished it last night...please provide feedback but it is the best performance I have seen yet out of this TV.

Samsung 55" JU7100 calibrated picture settings:
Cal-Day Daylight: **Updated 12/22/2015**

Cal-Night/Dark:

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Going to a ruler flat Gamma, using more powerful software, better meter thanks to "Pro" re-calibration and tuning. Better and more learned calibrator now too!

Expect:
-Deeper blacks (as good as I have been able to get out of this TV at least)
-More accurate color
-Ruler flat Gamma
-More depth, thanks to said Gamma

You can always try it and put back in your old settings if you liked them better. As for me, this is by far my best and favorite calibration to date.

For anyone looking for my latest and greatest settings, or want to try some on your set, please see post #5210 above. I just finished it last night...please provide feedback but it is the best performance I have seen yet out of this TV.
My initial reaction is very positive. Really puts the wow into this TV. Thanks for your continued contribution.
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Last thing I need to complete my setup is a soundbar. I'm downsizing from a full 5.1 setup in my former house just because we won't have nearly as many opportunities to play movies loud now with a small child in the house, and also don't want a ton of speakers/wires everywhere anymore since it'll be in a little bit more formal of a space. If anyone has a good recommendation on a soundbar (preferably one w/ a wireless sub), under $600, please let me know!
Yamaha YAS-203 has been good for me so far!
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@ArchonX: which firmware were you using for your latest settings?
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My initial reaction is very positive. Really puts the wow into this TV. Thanks for your continued contribution.
Thank you very much for the feedback and the compliments. You are most welcome. I plan on calibrating with dark-room (Cal-Night) and BT 1886 Gamma settings (Movie mode) so we can have settings for just about any movie or Gamma we want. These are obviously setup for Cal-Day or daytime/lighted room. But you can always lower the back-light to accommodate a darker room.
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@ArchonX: which firmware were you using for your latest settings?
1422 (Oct 25, 2015) and I am very curious about this new 1430 update that Bill mentioned....my TV says it is on the latest firmware and 1422 (which I have had for a while now) is the latest on the Samsung site. Did you get the 1430 firmware yet?

Edit: I heard they pulled the 1430 firmware update because of a bug where the TV does not wake up from standby once you power it down. Strangely, my TV turned on today (I did not even get the update and just checked, on 1422) and I had to disconnect/reconnect the One Connect Mini box to get it to show the picture from any HDMI source. I thought my PC or TV were fried until I disconnected the HDMI box and reconnected it. Weird stuff. I powered it down and back a few times and have not had any other issues.

Samsung 55" JU7100 calibrated picture settings:
Cal-Day Daylight: **Updated 12/22/2015**

Cal-Night/Dark:

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Ya, 1430 showed up a couple days ago and I have it now.

I haven't watched enough to be able to say whether anything significant changed.

Kinda unfortunate that these updates can mess with previous calibrations at times...
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Ya, 1430 showed up a couple days ago and I have it now.

I haven't watched enough to be able to say whether anything significant changed.

Kinda unfortunate that these updates can mess with previous calibrations at times...
I highly doubt the firmware will change the calibrations. There are factory calibrations for each set and if anything, this likely enables HDR or fixes Smart LED to work better. There are too many variations for the firmware to target calibrations. If anything, it can make other things work better but if it did, I am pretty sure you would have noticed by now.

I am sure it won't affect my latest calibration, which took me nearly 4 hours with very little breaks.

Samsung 55" JU7100 calibrated picture settings:
Cal-Day Daylight: **Updated 12/22/2015**

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Thank You, ArchonX

Your latest calibration settings made a remarkable improvement in the picture quality of my 55JU7100 over your previous setup. The blacks are blacker with more detail, the whites are whiter and the colors more saturated. As a matter of personal preference, Smart LED was set to high. The difference in image quality between your calibration and Samsung's out-of-the-box setting is one of night and day. Congratulations on a job well done!

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Hi ArchonX, pls pm me which menu inside the service menu to activate the cal-day, cal-night settings in order to save your various calibrations which are very good. I do not have enough posts to pm you yet. Thanks.
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