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post #8191 of 10368 Old 07-20-2016, 06:58 AM
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The chess clip looks good in some parts, but others are just much too bright (IMO) for watching in a dark room. On a few of the scenes with very bright whites, the grayscale looks off as well (too blue). Supposedly, HDR is only supposed to make specular highlights brighter, but it doesn't appear to do so in this clip. The part where they show her big, fancy white collar is retina burning. Her whole collar is way too bright, not just highlights. Is this one in 60p or something? It looks soap opera-ish.

I also tried the Samsung demo clip, and it looked good in certain sections, but others looked unrealistic and too bright.

Yes, mixed brightness scenes really pop, presumably because the backlight is maxed out at 20, and our eyes are fooled into thinking there are good black levels. However, I just don't see how this TV can show good blacks with the backlight that high. The local dimming isn't precise enough, so basically we have a really bright picture with poor blacks. Plus, that high of a backlight setting will show flaws in the panel, like clouding. I normally watch with the backlight at 5, which gives me about 31 ftL. Plenty bright for me.
You should try turning down the brightness. I have it on 35 when watching HDR content as opposed to 45 when watching SDR. With "Black Tone" on "Dark", "HDMI Black Level" on "Low" and "Smart LED" on "Low" I see no panel flaws.
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Currently, there is no ideal HDR TV made yet. Still work in progress, and when they keep changing the specs all the time, it's going to be awhile, so enjoy what you have now.

LG G6 OLED rated best in show.
Yes it fixed many of last year's problems, but now they have to fix this year's problems. Black crush, and still panel flaws.
Will there ever be an ideal TV? or will we continue to live with what we're given?
Comes down to what your tolerance level is. I actually prefer the Chess HDR Video on my HU9000 + SEK. As you mentioned, tones down some this too bright areas. There's actually 2 versions (And possibly a third. Members are saying what you see at BB, there's NO details behind the characters when playing chess.)

The complete LG Demos here, including a slightly different Chess video. Each had their pluses and minuses.

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Rename them to m2ts or ts files.
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Currently, there is no ideal HDR TV made yet. Still work in progress, and when they keep changing the specs all the time, it's going to be awhile, so enjoy what you have now.

LG G6 OLED rated best in show.
Yes it fixed many of last year's problems, but now they have to fix this year's problems. Black crush, and still panel flaws.
Will there ever be an ideal TV? or will we continue to live with what we're given?
Comes down to what your tolerance level is. I actually prefer the Chess HDR Video on my HU9000 + SEK. As you mentioned, tones down some this too bright areas. There's actually 2 versions (And possibly a third. Members are saying what you see at BB, there's NO details behind the characters when playing chess.)

The complete LG Demos here, including a slightly different Chess video. Each had their pluses and minuses.

https://mega.nz/#F!aBAGBJBb!vGOiLiLo9HT7fBA1qww3-Q

My apologies: rename files from .lge to .mkv
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Question to the IH02 panel owners that do NOT have the JS Mod: What gamma settings are you using? I have my backlight set to 8 and brightness on 45 and in order to keep the letterbox bars black but not crush my blacks, I have the gamma setting to +3. It seems to work, for me. The blacks are still real dark and black, not gray, and not crushed.

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Question to the IH02 panel owners that do NOT have the JS Mod: What gamma settings are you using? I have my backlight set to 8 and brightness on 45 and in order to keep the letterbox bars black but not crush my blacks, I have the gamma setting to +3. It seems to work, for me. The blacks are still real dark and black, not gray, and not crushed.

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I don't have the IH02 panel, mine is TS01. But, even without the JS Mod, I never had the TV over +1 Gamma.

Re-check your settings:

Do you have HDMI Black Level on Auto, preferably on Low? Normal will definitely crush your blacks.

Do you have Dynamic Contrast turned Off?

Do you have Black Tone turned Off?

Make sure your 2 point and 10 point settings are not dramatically negative, especially in the lower (10-40) positions of the 10 point, or the Offsets of the 2 point.

Are you routing through a receiver that does video processing (and have you made adjustments there?) or straight to the One Connect Mini?

Have you made video adjustments on your Blu-ray player (if you are only seeing this phenomenon with Blu-rays)?

I would start with the above and then see if something is amiss. There should be no reason to go to either maximum side of the Gamma slider as negative should be way too dark (crushed) and positive should be way too light (washed).

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I have the TS panel, but like Gator said above, take a look at your other settings. My gamma is at 0 and that seems good to me. Measurement wise, that setting got me pretty close to 2.2.
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With the last several FW updates, this set has gotten brighter.
Lower end %ers were getting way too negative - changed Gamma from 0 to -1.
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Question to the IH02 panel owners that do NOT have the JS Mod: What gamma settings are you using? I have my backlight set to 8 and brightness on 45 and in order to keep the letterbox bars black but not crush my blacks, I have the gamma setting to +3. It seems to work, for me. The blacks are still real dark and black, not gray, and not crushed.

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Your HDMI Black levels are set to "normal" and your source is outputting limited, I'm sure of it. If it's greyed out and set to "Normal" your source has configurable color output, set it "low" or "limited"
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That information has been removed from the forum, as it violates the forum guidelines. There are some people here that can send it to you as a private message. I can't find my info, but you can probably figure out who on here can probably provide it to you.

That said, there is a difference of opinion about the results of performing the mod. While it has the direct effect of enabling HDR via the Amazon Instant Video app, it is debatable if it makes a noticeable improvement for other sources. It is NOT necessary to perform the mod to view HDR content from a 4K Blu-Ray player, and I have confirmed it will also work when playing HDR material via DLNA. For other sources, I don't see much difference, but others feel they do. It's a rather personal judgement.

Also, with the mod is enabled, your TV will no longer connect to the Samsung Smart Hub site. It will work for a day or so, then no longer connect. This means you can't update any existing apps and cannot install new ones. That may or may not be an issue for you, but you need to know about it.

Thanks for the reply atc98092. I think ill just leave the TV as is once delivered. Thanks again.
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Thanks for the reply atc98092. I think ill just leave the TV as is once delivered. Thanks again.
While I won't disagree with what @atc98092 wrote about the JS Mod, I will say that leaving the TV as is would be almost as "bad" as going the "extreme" route of the JS Mod.

The best bit of advice concerning the JS Mod is that if you are new to television calibration, then you probably wouldn't understand or possibly notice the perceived gains from the mod or the perceived gains from firmware updates. Therefore, the JS Mod is not for the newbie.

However, there are multiple free options to better your viewing experience than just leaving the TV as is, such as:
  • Free calibration disk (AVS HD 709) from this very website
  • Suggested settings (non JS Mod and Advanced Service Menu Adjustments) from other users on this forum
  • Suggested settings from other websites (i.e. Rtings.com, cnet.com, etc.)

If the above doesn't get you where you like to be, then you can purchase from a choice of calibration disks such as Disney's WOW, Spears and Munsil, Ted's Lightspace CMS Disk (of which there is a free version similar to AVS HD 709), etc. Those disks will allow you to adjust settings with the basic sliders (Backlight, Contrast, Brightness, Sharpness, Color, Tint) to get a better picture. However, if you don't have calibration equipment, then you are basically only "tweaking" the picture with the aforementioned disks and their respective images.

If neither of the above paragraphs help get the picture you desire, then you are left with hiring a professional calibrator or purchasing calibration equipment and doing it yourself.

King Richard has a really good post here that should help you with most all of your questions.
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I agree with Gator. You still need to apply the calibration settings the users here have posted. The settings out of the box are not, shall we say, optimum! I hope you meant that you were only going to skip the JS Mod.
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Several years back, a Samsung TV out of the box had elevated Blues. The last few years, they've switched to elevated Reds.

All fine and good if that's the way you like your PQ.

Best to wait until you have a 1000 hours of usage on the set, to get a feeling what it's actually going to look like.

If you notice, several Members' calibrated settings, most have had to tweak the SM WBs due to Samsung having them too out of whack.

Once this set is setup properly, it's a fine piece of electronics to look at, and at a fair price. 75" looks great, only wished the 85" was more in my afford range! This is a set that should get us through the next several years until the engineers, manufacturers, and who ever else is involved get this HDR straightened out!

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Thanks for the awesome post and links wildgator25. I guess i should have clarified, there is no way i could leave the TV "as is" out of the box but Just knowing there is a chance that i could brick the TV performing the JS Mod will keep me from going that route, for now anyways. I will be going through all the previous post again in this thread but i do have one question, in order to perform a calibration as posted by Archon X and others, is getting into the service menu required?
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I agree with Gator. You still need to apply the calibration settings the users here have posted. The settings out of the box are not, shall we say, optimum! I hope you meant that you were only going to skip the JS Mod.
That's exactly what i meant.
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Thanks for the awesome post and links wildgator25. I guess i should have clarified, there is no way i could leave the TV "as is" out of the box but Just knowing there is a chance that i could brick the TV performing the JS Mod will keep me from going that route, for now anyways. I will be going through all the previous post again in this thread but i do have one question, in order to perform a calibration as posted by Archon X and others, is getting into the service menu required?
No, you can use ArchonX settings in the Movie slot under Picture Mode. After you get some familiarity with the set, you can fiddle with the normal service menu, if you like, to open a couple of extra slots for storing suggested calibration settings.
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Question to the IH02 panel owners that do NOT have the JS Mod: What gamma settings are you using? I have my backlight set to 8 and brightness on 45 and in order to keep the letterbox bars black but not crush my blacks, I have the gamma setting to +3. It seems to work, for me. The blacks are still real dark and black, not gray, and not crushed.



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I watched the Sony HDR demo (with the jeeps and kayaks) and the Life of Pi clip. They do look nice and vivid, but I think it would be much better with precise local dimming. I turned the backlight down to 5 (from 20, as set automatically) and the blacks looked better, but of course the whites were dull. I still think HDR is kind of a pointless on this TV. The only way to get the bright whites is by cranking up the backlight, but this ruins black levels. From these demos, I can see how HDR looks promising, but I think FALD is needed, or better yet, OLED blacks.
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I watched the Sony HDR demo (with the jeeps and kayaks) and the Life of Pi clip. They do look nice and vivid, but I think it would be much better with precise local dimming. I turned the backlight down to 5 (from 20, as set automatically) and the blacks looked better, but of course the whites were dull. I still think HDR is kind of a pointless on this TV. The only way to get the bright whites is by cranking up the backlight, but this ruins black levels. From these demos, I can see how HDR looks promising, but I think FALD is needed, or better yet, OLED blacks.
This might come off wrong but maybe you have a problem with your TV? HDR looks great on my 7100, but then again I have the JS Mod that "does nothing".
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Same here. HDR looks great on my 75".
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If you guys like it, cool, but are you watching in the dark? I can see it being fine in a room with the lights on, but running the backlight at 20 in a dark room is a no no.
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If you guys like it, cool, but are you watching in the dark? I can see it being fine in a room with the lights on, but running the backlight at 20 in a dark room is a no no.
Turn some lights on.....

Just kidding, maybe my criteria is not as much as yours?
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Not impressed with Samsung 's service

After sending me a new one connect box...that didnt work

Samsung connected me with an authorized service center and we made an appt
At the Appt time and day the service center didnt show up or call me...
I called them and they said they had a tech resign that day ....

seriously?

I called Samsung back and they said they had another service center....an appt was made with that one
The day before the appt..a week later...they called and said they needed a copy of my receipt to order the parts
They said they had not ordered the parts and would not be able to get to me the next day
I asked them why they needed the receipt and they that samsung hadn't provided them with it....

seriously?

I "kindly" told them to cancel the whole deal and I would get in touch with Samsung
I called Samsung again and said I needed yet a 3rd service center..perhaps a competent one this time

This puts things at the 3 week mark since the TV has ceased to function anytime the one connect box is attached to it
Samsung said they didnt have another service center in my area and tried to refer me to the first service center again
The one that no called/ no showed on me
I "kindly" said not going to happen
Long story short they told me they had decided just to replace the TV

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Your HDMI Black levels are set to "normal" and your source is outputting limited, I'm sure of it. If it's greyed out and set to "Normal" your source has configurable color output, set it "low" or "limited"
It is greyed out and set to Auto. I cannot adjust this setting unless the input is set to RGB444 per the manual and I confirmed this with my blu-ray player. (Sony BDP-S7200)

I am using carrilon's settings from post 6675 and I adjusted my gamma down to 2. Maybe it's just me, but it looks good here.
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If you guys like it, cool, but are you watching in the dark? I can see it being fine in a room with the lights on, but running the backlight at 20 in a dark room is a no no.
It sets the maximum brightness at 20 when needed. But watching dark scenery hdr content is a lot less bright than watching normal TV on 20 here.

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It sets the maximum brightness at 20 when needed. But watching dark scenery hdr content is a lot less bright than watching normal TV on 20 here.

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If that's true, than it's good, but I would like to see what it does to an ANSI contrast pattern. The fact is, the TV can't show really bright whites and very dark blacks simultaneously. FALD panels can, and OLED can do even better.
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If that's true, than it's good, but I would like to see what it does to an ANSI contrast pattern. The fact is, the TV can't show really bright whites and very dark blacks simultaneously. FALD panels can, and OLED can do even better.
The fact remains though that you are comparing, in my biased opinion an outstanding TV, against televisions twice to many times the price. Compare the 7100 to similar spec TVs and see which wins out.
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I have some questions for anyone will to help

If this has been covered already I apologize.


First, it says there is a new software update for this TV, but it won't let me update to it. Anyone else having this issue? I believe it is FW 1460?


Second, when I try to play a 4K blu ray movie, the brightness still jumps to 20 every time I manually have to lower it a bit. Has this been addressed in FW update or is it even an issue? Thank you.
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If this has been covered already I apologize.


First, it says there is a new software update for this TV, but it won't let me update to it. Anyone else having this issue? I believe it is FW 1460?


Second, when I try to play a 4K blu ray movie, the brightness still jumps to 20 every time I manually have to lower it a bit. Has this been addressed in FW update or is it even an issue? Thank you.
I can't answer your first question as I downloaded 1460 from the internet and updated via USB.

As to the second question, I assume you mean the Backlight is increasing to 20. That is normal as you are displaying HDR content to your 7100. The metadata encoded in the 4k Bluray for HDR automatically raises your Backlight to 20, Contrast to 100, and possibly changes your Color Space to Native. This does not mean that the Backlight is maxed in relevance to normal content, it's just what happens with HDR on our set.
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