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I also use Game Mode and UHD turned On for the correct input of the One Connect Mini you have the PS4 Pro plugged in to.
On that note, do you have UHD Color turned On for the input for the PS4 Pro? That is the only way to get HDR via the PS4 Pro.
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On that note, do you have UHD Color turned On for the input for the PS4 Pro? That is the only way to get HDR via the PS4 Pro.
Yep!, is there an optimal HDMI port to use? My PS4 Pro is currently connected to HDMI 1 on the one connect mini that came with the TV (UHD Color Active)
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Yep!, is there an optimal HDMI port to use? My PS4 Pro is currently connected to HDMI 1 on the one connect mini that came with the TV (UHD Color Active)
I don't believe it matters. I use input 2.

Not sure why it would be grey instead of black for you. You are using the supplied cable with the PS4 Pro I presume?
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I would love to see all your game mode setting for HDR and non HDR.
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I don't believe it matters. I use input 2.

Not sure why it would be grey instead of black for you. You are using the supplied cable with the PS4 Pro I presume?
Yes. Maybe I can take some pictures of my settings tonight If that helps. It just isn't as black as it was when playing in CAL night / day. It could be the dimming zones that are making the picture look grey to me on darker scenes. Also I would like to take pictures of HDR ON vs OFF to see if its even working correctly.
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Yes. Maybe I can take some pictures of my settings tonight If that helps. It just isn't as black as it was when playing in CAL night / day. It could be the dimming zones that are making the picture look grey to me on darker scenes. Also I would like to take pictures of HDR ON vs OFF to see if its even working correctly.
Good luck as HDR doesn't show well in still pictures vs live view.

I should have my settings posted later this evening.
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Good luck as HDR doesn't show well in still pictures vs live view.

I should have my settings posted later this evening.
Great I will give your settings a try tonight. I have a TS01 panel as well.
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How can one turn off HDR for the Amazon app (the one that is running on the JU7100)?

[Obviously in the Amazon Video UI I can select the HD version of content instead of UHD but that also drops me from 4K down to 1080...]
That was my question, HDR looks a little better when I put the picture in Dynamic mode but the colors are just off....I had no issues running pure 4k no HDR before the firmware update
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That was my question, HDR looks a little better when I put the picture in Dynamic mode but the colors are just off....I had no issues running pure 4k no HDR before the firmware update
My main complaint was excessive blooming of bright areas. With "The Man in The High Castle" for example, one scene had characters in a dark room in front of a bright window and the character's details were getting drowned out by the bloom from the window. Even things like a piece of white paper on a desk might look like they were under a black light from the 80's. I also found that details in the distance, e.g. when one of the female characters was in a long alley with a light-colored building several blocks away in the background, the details (e.g. window frames) that I could see with straight 4K (and somewhat even with upscaled 1080) weren't visible with the HDR on.

I did find that dropping the backlight setting (from 20 to 10) helped with this but I need to experiment more as I didn't realize that changing modes (e.g. from Day to Night) was resetting the HDR defaults. There were also suggestions a few pages back on other things to try (including an HDR calibration) but I haven't tried those yet.

So, ya, I might want to go back to 4K without HDR at some point if someone can tell me how to do that. Is there simply a setting somewhere for disabling HDR across the board (I'm not at home atm -- I'll poke around in the menus after work).

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My settings for HDR Movie viewing

** Adjustments Made in Service Menu 1st **

White Balance Offsets changed from 128/128/128 to 114/114/114

White Balance Gains changed from 123/128/130 to 123/128/139


Picture Mode: Movie (Can use CalDay or CalNight)
Backlight: 10 (will increase automatically to 20)
Contrast: 95 (will increase automatically to 100)
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 25
Color: 55
Tint: G50/R50
Fit to Screen: On
Dynamic Contrast: Medium
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off
Gamma: 1
Color Tone: Warm1
Digital Clean View: Auto
MPEG Noise Filter: Auto
HDMI Black Level: Low
HDMI UHD Color: On
Film Mode: Auto1
Auto Motion Plus: Off
Smart LED: High

Color Space: Native

2 Point:

R-Offset: -1
G-Offset: 18
B-Offset: -7
R-Gain: -1
G-Gain: 6
B-Gain: 3

10 Point:

10%: 35/50/7
20%: 21/19/3
30%: 6/-1/-2
40%: 13/0/7
50%: 11/1/-2
60%: 4/0/-6
70%: -6/-5/-7
80%: -1/-2/0
90%: 8/-4/-6
100%: 5/-2/-6

**** Updated 1/22/17 ****
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My settings for HDR Gaming on PS4 Pro

** Adjustments Made in Service Menu 1st **

White Balance Offsets changed from 128/128/128 to 114/114/114

White Balance Gains changed from 123/128/130 to 123/128/139


Picture Mode: Game Mode
Backlight: 10 (will increase automatically to 20)
Contrast: 95 (will increase automatically to 100)
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 25
Color: 55
Tint: G50/R50
Fit to Screen: On
Dynamic Contrast: High (Courtesy @Ronald Still )
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off
Gamma: 1
Color Tone: Standard
HDMI Black Level: Normal
HDMI UHD Color: On
Smart LED: High

Color Space: Auto

2 Point:

R-Offset: -1
G-Offset: 18
B-Offset: -7
R-Gain: -1
G-Gain: 6
B-Gain: 3

PS4 Pro Settings:

Resolution: Automatic
RGB Range: Full
HDR: Automatic
Deep Color Output: Automatic

Results =

Resolution: 3840 x 2160 - 60 Hz
Color Format: YUV422
HDR on Your TV: 2K/4K Supported
HDCP: 2.2


**** Updated 12/6/16 ****

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...with the HDR or maybe the calibration in general on the PS4 Pro is that the black looks more grey now (in HDR capable games and non HDR games). When I had a regular PS4 I was playing my games in the Cal Day mode, which had nice deep blacks on dark scenes. Are there any particular game mode settings to use for the PS4 Pro? I mainly play games on my ju7100 so I just want the best picture possible.
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A couple other things that could lead to "grey" blacks would be Brightness set too high on the Samsung (greater than 46), or on the in game menu. Or, the Gamma slider is above 1. I also use Game Mode and UHD turned On for the correct input of the One Connect Mini you have the PS4 Pro plugged in to.
^^^ +1

As @wildgator25 said above, the first thing I would adjust if your black levels are elevated is the TV's "Brightness" setting.

(Also check the in-game brightness settings.)

The next thing you can try is lowering the "Gamma" correction control by 1 or 2 points.

If you don't have it turned ON already, I would try turning ON the TV's "Dynamic Contrast" setting.


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PS4 Pro Settings:

Resolution: Automatic
RGB Range: Full
HDR: Automatic
Deep Color Output: Automatic

**** Updated 11/30/16 ****
That setting ended up making such a huge difference for me.
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That setting ended up making such a huge difference for me.
I was under the impression that RGB should be set to 'limited' or 'auto.' I thought full would send levels 0-256, which is meant for PCs, not video. This would result in black crush. On my PS3, I always had it set to limited, and the TV set to HDMI black level low. With the PS4, I just left it on auto, with the TV on auto as well, and it works as intended.

In short, if PS4 is set to full, TV should be set to normal.
If PS4 is set to limited, TV should be set to low.

At least that's my understanding.
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I was under the impression that RGB should be set to 'limited' or 'auto.' I thought full would send levels 0-256, which is meant for PCs, not video. This would result in black crush. On my PS3, I always had it set to limited, and the TV set to HDMI black level low. With the PS4, I just left it on auto, with the TV on auto as well, and it works as intended.

In short, if PS4 is set to full, TV should be set to normal.
If PS4 is set to limited, TV should be set to low.

At least that's my understanding.
You are right and you see I have those set correctly in the two different settings. I use Full for gaming as video games use the entire 0-256 range. I use Limited for Movie and Video watching and change the Samsung accordingly. I don't rely on Auto to work properly on the Samsung.
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You are right and you see I have those set correctly in the two different settings. I use Full for gaming as video games use the entire 0-256 range. I use Limited for Movie and Video watching and change the Samsung accordingly. I don't rely on Auto to work properly on the Samsung.
I found this posted somewhere on Reddit. Most people still say that full should never be used with a TV because it can't properly display 0-255. If those settings look good on yours, though, might as well stick with it.

http://referencehometheater.com/2014...ll-vs-limited/
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This is why I decided on the JU7100 as opposed to the JS8500 which was the closest in price at the time. I still don't believe there is enough content available to show the advantage of the Wide Color Gamut that the 8500 has and the 7100 doesn't. The 9000 was out of the question for me, price-wise, but I don't know if a calibrated picture on both would be enough difference to offset the price either. The JU7100 is a very good television for the price and I believe you would be hard pressed to find a new model television for less than $1000 that will look better than the 2 year old 7100.
This is very similar to the reasoning that I made before ending up with a JU7100. Would make the same decision again for sure and maybe even today as HDR doesn't seem to have "settled down" yet.
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I found this posted somewhere on Reddit. Most people still say that full should never be used with a TV because it can't properly display 0-255. If those settings look good on yours, though, might as well stick with it.

http://referencehometheater.com/2014...ll-vs-limited/
Yeah, looks really good on mine with the PS4 Pro. Looked good with the standard PS4 as well with Full/Normal.
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Update on the issues with 3D on my 65JU7100:

Tried multiple HDMI cables, two different kinds of 3D glasses (the last 2 generations of Samsung ones), 4 different 3D blu-rays, and two different players (PS4 and Samsung KU8500). I've also adjusted literally every single 3D setting the TV has. No matter what, the 3D image is misaligned in either the foreground or the background. I can fix one area by changing the 3D view perspective to -1, but then a different area of the picture goes out of alignment. (Again, when I say "out of alignment" I mean there's a ghosting/crosstalk issue because the problem looks like a weird halo around certain objects, like there's two layers to the picture that are slightly offset from each other). Also tried a factory reset from the Support section of the normal menu, nothin'.

The effect is bad enough to cause some pretty bad eyestrain, and it makes 3D movies more or less unwatchable. I don't THINK the issue was present until fairly recently, because it's very noticeable so I doubt I'm just "seeing it" for the first time.

I ended up having to file a claim under the Samsung warranty (Very last day it was covered, woo!) and an in-house tech is coming to check it out. I was in the ASM to do the JS mod (it's since been reversed) so I guess we'll see if the tech checks for that sort of thing (If I somehow stupidly caused the issue when doing the JS Mod, I'd assume the warranty won't cover it but I can pay the [hopefully reasonable] fee to the repair technician directly in that case after he fixes it.) And of course I have no way of knowing if it's even possible to cause issues with the 3D image from changing settings in the ASM, since I have no idea what the problem even is.

Anyone here had any experience with an in-house tech coming to do warranty work on their TV? Anything I should expect/prepare for?
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Update on the issues with 3D on my 65JU7100:

Tried multiple HDMI cables, two different kinds of 3D glasses (the last 2 generations of Samsung ones), 4 different 3D blu-rays, and two different players (PS4 and Samsung KU8500). I've also adjusted literally every single 3D setting the TV has. No matter what, the 3D image is misaligned in either the foreground or the background. I can fix one area by changing the 3D view perspective to -1, but then a different area of the picture goes out of alignment. (Again, when I say "out of alignment" I mean there's a ghosting/crosstalk issue because the problem looks like a weird halo around certain objects, like there's two layers to the picture that are slightly offset from each other). Also tried a factory reset from the Support section of the normal menu, nothin'.

The effect is bad enough to cause some pretty bad eyestrain, and it makes 3D movies more or less unwatchable. I don't THINK the issue was present until fairly recently, because it's very noticeable so I doubt I'm just "seeing it" for the first time.

I ended up having to file a claim under the Samsung warranty (Very last day it was covered, woo!) and an in-house tech is coming to check it out. I was in the ASM to do the JS mod (it's since been reversed) so I guess we'll see if the tech checks for that sort of thing (If I somehow stupidly caused the issue when doing the JS Mod, I'd assume the warranty won't cover it but I can pay the [hopefully reasonable] fee to the repair technician directly in that case after he fixes it.) And of course I have no way of knowing if it's even possible to cause issues with the 3D image from changing settings in the ASM, since I have no idea what the problem even is.

Anyone here had any experience with an in-house tech coming to do warranty work on their TV? Anything I should expect/prepare for?
I am interested to know the outcome of his findings. I noticed the same thing with Prometheus 3D without JS Mod. I don't watch much 3D content so didn't know if it was normal or not.
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I am using a regular PS4, not pro, and that RBG range setting made a big difference when it was applied after applying all of wildagator's TV settings, first. So it may very well be that I put myself into a situation where it would make a big difference by first applying the listed TV settings for HDR gaming.
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Yeah, looks really good on mine with the PS4 Pro. Looked good with the standard PS4 as well with Full/Normal.
Sweet. BTW, how to you like the Pro? I have the regular PS4, but wasn't sure if it was worth upgrading at this point.
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Sweet. BTW, how to you like the Pro? I have the regular PS4, but wasn't sure if it was worth upgrading at this point.
I had to have it, cause reasons, lol

It is good, I love Skyrim Remastered in 4k! It's a waiting game now for actual new content to be programmed just for the Pro. So, maybe you can wait until Horizon Zero Dawn or something else is released in 2017?

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I am using your cal 4 already. Its looks great. My only gripe with the HDR or maybe the calibration in general on the PS4 Pro is that the black looks more grey now (in HDR capable games and non HDR games). When I had a regular PS4 I was playing my games in the Cal Day mode, which had nice deep blacks on dark scenes. Are there any particular game mode settings to use for the PS4 Pro? I mainly play games on my ju7100 so I just want the best picture possible.
Remember almost all games have their own brightness setting you may want to adjust and see if that helps.
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** Adjustments Made in Service Menu 1st **

White Balance Offsets changed from 128/128/128 to 114/114/114

White Balance Gains changed from 123/128/130 to 123/128/139


Picture Mode: Game Mode
Backlight: 10 (will increase automatically to 20)
Contrast: 95 (will increase automatically to 100)
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 25
Color: 55
Tint: G50/R50
Fit to Screen: On
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off
Gamma: 1
Color Tone: Standard
HDMI Black Level: Normal
HDMI UHD Color: On
Smart LED: High

Color Space: Native

2 Point:

R-Offset: -1
G-Offset: 18
B-Offset: -7
R-Gain: -1
G-Gain: 6
B-Gain: 3

PS4 Pro Settings:

Resolution: Automatic
RGB Range: Full
HDR: Automatic
Deep Color Output: Automatic

Results =

Resolution: 3840 x 2160 - 60 Hz
Color Format: YUV422
HDR on Your TV: 2K/4K Supported
HDCP: 2.2


**** Updated 11/30/16 ****
Alright, reporting back. Looks better... I have included (Dynamic contrast: HIGH) to your settings. I finished uncharted 4 in HDR and it does look good. I'm reading everywhere that HDR is supposed to give you more realistic colors and take away the surreal pop in colors? And some other people are saying ,no, its supposed to be more vibrant (I don't know which one is correct).

I did notice the image was less vibrant in HDR but it wasn't washed out anymore once I bumped up dynamic contrast to HIGH. When I turned HDR off through the game the colors were wayyyyy too vibrant. Also, my blacks are BLACK now, when the local dimming zones are active in certain areas of the screen!

I wish I had someone here to look at my TV and say "yeah, your HDR is on correctly"
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Alright, reporting back. Looks better... I have included (Dynamic contrast: HIGH) to your settings. I finished uncharted 4 in HDR and it does look good. I'm reading everywhere that HDR is supposed to give you more realistic colors and take away the surreal pop in colors? And some other people are saying ,no, its supposed to be more vibrant (I don't know which one is correct).

I did notice the image was less vibrant in HDR but it wasn't washed out anymore once I bumped up dynamic contrast to HIGH. When I turned HDR off through the game the colors were wayyyyy too vibrant. Also, my blacks are BLACK now, when the local dimming zones are active in certain areas of the screen!

I wish I had someone here to look at my TV and say "yeah, your HDR is on correctly"
Glad you found it to be an improvement but something still seems amiss. I hope to have my Uncharted 4 this weekend and will let you know if I see the same loss of color.
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So, interesting find last night. I bought the Samsung 4K Blu-ray player due to 2 HDMI outputs and I LOVE my Yamaha Adventage A1040 receiver and don't want to replace it but still want HD audio. I plugged the player into HDMI 4 on the TV. UHD color was NOT turned on, so I wasn't expecting what happened next: Contrast to 100 and Brightness to 20, just like when UHD is turned on. I did then turn it on for the port, which rebooted the TV as expected and I am not sure I saw a change in the picture. I want to say I did see a change after actually turning UHD color for the port, but I can't be sure.

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So, interesting find last night. I bought the Samsung 4K Blu-ray player due to 2 HDMI outputs and I LOVE my Yamaha Adventage A1040 receiver and don't want to replace it but still want HD audio. I plugged the player into HDMI 4 on the TV. UHD color was NOT turned on, so I wasn't expecting what happened next: Contrast to 100 and Brightness to 20, just like when UHD is turned on. I did then turn it on for the port, which rebooted the TV as expected and I am not sure I saw a change in the picture. I want to say I did see a change after actually turning UHD color for the port, but I can't be sure.

Thoughts?

The "metadata" that's included with the HDR10 signal is what causes your TV settings to change. This will happen with the "HDMI UHD Color" ON or OFF.

However, that said, you will NOT get 10-bit Color Depth with it OFF.

For more on this setting, see the "Spoiler!" below:

Spoiler!


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