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Best Buy loves to train buzz words like "4k" and such for each new run of TV's. Particularly Samsung. So when the new SUHD line goes on display, people will ask "What's better about SUHD than UHD/4k?" The answer is quantum dots, the LED backlight technology that sets this new line of TV's apart. Something about using crystals over blue LED's to make a more neutral white, higher brightness/power and easier control over the brightness levels for better contrast and color accuracy.

But the average salesperson won't explain it properly, so their answer will be "hurr durr quantum dots."
When you say 'blah blah QD' ... people on this thread will be quick to interpret it to mean that after a fair bit of critical viewing you were very 'blase' about QD technology when compared to existing tech. Apparently, that is not what you meant by that statement.
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Best Buy loves to train buzz words like "4k" and such for each new run of TV's. Particularly Samsung. So when the new SUHD line goes on display, people will ask "What's better about SUHD than UHD/4k?" The answer is quantum dots, the LED backlight technology that sets this new line of TV's apart. Something about using crystals over blue LED's to make a more neutral white, higher brightness/power and easier control over the brightness levels for better contrast and color accuracy.

But the average salesperson won't explain it properly, so their answer will be "hurr durr quantum dots."
gotta remember were "herding cattle" i actually got sat down for a 20minute talk on how im "overwhelming customers" by getting in to indepth and detailed about product. they basically want us to read their script and be done with it
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I realized that but what is your personal opinion of the new Js9500 since you seen it?
Saw a box, no displays yet sadly

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When you say 'blah blah QD' ... people on this thread will be quick to interpret it to mean that after a fair bit of critical viewing you were very 'blase' about QD technology when compared to existing tech. Apparently, that is not what you meant by that statement.
I see. I'm glad this new line uses the technology. Color accuracy, contrast and black levels has by far the biggest room for improvement for TV's. Screw 8k, we need better colors.

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Saw a box, no displays yet sadly


I see. I'm glad this new line uses the technology. Color accuracy, contrast and black levels has by far the biggest room for improvement for TV's. Screw 8k, we need better colors.
There you go. I don't have a 4k so I can't comment too much, but from reading a lot of high end TV threads I think it's pretty obvious the people with the most realistic scenes on their TVs, be they BD, cable, DVT, or whatever like them the best. I've said it before, I think Samsung should calibrate every high end set before they box it up and send it out. I know, it might hurt some calibration pros, but not much. And the buyer would be so much happier. You see a calibrated plasma or 1080p and they look stunning, I'm sure the 4k does too. But it's not all about 4k like the BB salespeople say.
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There you go. I don't have a 4k so I can't comment too much, but from reading a lot of high end TV threads I think it's pretty obvious the people with the most realistic scenes on their TVs, be they BD, cable, DVT, or whatever like them the best. I've said it before, I think Samsung should calibrate every high end set before they box it up and send it out. I know, it might hurt some calibration pros, but not much. And the buyer would be so much happier. You see a calibrated plasma or 1080p and they look stunning, I'm sure the 4k does too. But it's not all about 4k like the BB salespeople say.
I think that realistic presets would be better. The modes that most TV's come with are all either too bright or oversaturated. The problem with calibration out of the box is that ISF takes room lighting into account.
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We got a couple of these in at Best Buy (I work there). It's only a matter of time before they start saying, "blah blah quantum dots."
what location are you? im at 0341 and unless they just came in in the last 2 days (was off) RSS wasnt even showing them
I'm at location 0025 and haven't saw them come in yet as well.
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I think that realistic presets would be better. The modes that most TV's come with are all either too bright or oversaturated. The problem with calibration out of the box is that ISF takes room lighting into account.
I get that, but at least it would get the blacks good and colors halfway accurate to start with. Most people aren't that OCD like forum people, and if would look better somewhat calibrated I think. And it would be cheap for Samsung to do, and they could say "professionally calibrated" in addition to "quantum dot technology, 190 microdimming zones, contrast enhancement, a billion to one dynamic contrast levels..........."
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I get that, but at least it would get the blacks good and colors halfway accurate to start with. Most people aren't that OCD like forum people, and if would look better somewhat calibrated I think. And it would be cheap for Samsung to do, and they could say "professionally calibrated" in addition to "quantum dot technology, 190 microdimming zones, contrast enhancement, a billion to one dynamic contrast levels..........."
We're basically in agreement on everything but terminology.

Do calibrations to the TV that are pretty good, for different lighting scenarios, and make those the presets. Call it "Smart calibration profiles" or something. So it doesn't kill real calibration.

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We're basically in agreement on everything but terminology.

Do calibrations to the TV that are pretty good, for different lighting scenarios, and make those the presets. Call it "Smart calibration profiles" or something. So it doesn't kill real calibration.
What's ISF calibrated?

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What's ISF calibrated?
ISF is a standard for TV calibration:
https://www.imagingscience.com/
http://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-hdtv-calibration/

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i am not surprised that the chip set has changed. Based upon the image processing I saw, in regards to up-scaling and overall image performance, a new chip makes sense for the JS line.
@xMarkFitzGeraldx What is the native contrast of this TV. There is a review stating it is only 2000 to 1. If so that's horrid
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The same review said it can only get to 500 nits
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How will the picture on this TV compare to the 5010 Pioneer Kuro? That is what we currently have, and we love it. However, we've been wanting to upgrade to a larger size with 3D capabilities. Will this be an upgrade in PQ or a downgrade with the trade-off being the benefits of larger size, 3D, and 4K?
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boo on the black levels! BOOO!
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Use a bias light in a dark environment and you should be ok.


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I think all of these threads should have a side thread to take all of the geek speak, sidetracks, and pissing contests to. 444 - is that a discount version of the antichrist tattoo? HDCP 2.2 - He Dat Craps his Pants in a tu-tu? Relevancy people.
Try visiting a difference forum if you aren't interested in Audio/Visual Science.

It always blows my mind when people come on here and whine about people talking about displays in a technical manner. Just what the hell were you expecting when you signed up for the Audio Visual Science Forum?
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Try visiting a difference forum if you aren't interested in Audio/Visual Science.

It always blows my mind when people come on here and whine about people talking about displays in a technical manner. Just what the hell were you expecting when you signed up for the Audio Visual Science Forum?
Lol the discussion should actually be limited to technical-related discussion of the displays lol
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Try visiting a difference forum if you aren't interested in Audio/Visual Science.

It always blows my mind when people come on here and whine about people talking about displays in a technical manner. Just what the hell were you expecting when you signed up for the Audio Visual Science Forum?
Technically speaking, shouldn't this sidetracking pissing contest be in a side thread?

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How long is the cable between the One Connect box and the display?
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Technically speaking, shouldn't this sidetracking pissing contest be in a side thread?
LOL, I liked that

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To those doubting the brightness of set due to recent reviews well I know the did one thing wrong on calibration.Samsung said to achieve the expanded colour range u must put colour to native which none of the reviewers did..They probably did not do it because they did not want saturated colours .. On the video below he talks about it @ 9:20.He also talks about the luminance(1000 nits)is done through the HDR Meta Data and only can achieve this luminance through Meta Data says it @ 7:20 mark. The reviews did not use HDR to take measurements of luminance or had backlight @ full blast(they had it @ 8 saying it was bright)

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I Must have missed it, but is there going to be a JS9000 78", and when and at what price?
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boo on the black levels! BOOO!
I guess I am confused... they compliment the black levels all throughout the review...

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How long is the cable between the One Connect box and the display?
9 to 10 feet.
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I guess I am confused... they compliment the black levels all throughout the review...
then the give a number of .05 which is worse than the panasonic ax900u which was regarded as medicore black levels to the point panasonic switched panels types becaue it
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I guess I am confused... they compliment the black levels all throughout the review...
My guess is he's looking at the measurements. While excellent for an LCD, 0.06 it not great when compared to Plasma and OLED sets.
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I like the inky black filter which trick our eyes to see very deeper black in a light controlled room,this perception change after we turn the light off or in a dark environment.


inky filter plus eye sore brightens and over saturate colors people will jump on this tvs thinking that is a Oled or Plasma killer.

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My guess is he's looking at the measurements. While excellent for an LCD, 0.06 it not great when compared to Plasma and OLED sets.
even compared to the sony x950b which is in the same price area its bad
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even compared to the sony x950b which is in the same price area its bad
This is why you have to take reviews with a grain of salt. Their definition of "great" black levels does not line up with mine. Great compared to what, an average LCD? Certainly not great compared to what's available across the entire spectrum.
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