Originally Posted by lovswr
howardstern perhaps I don't view the TV business as cynically as you
You know that whole tomato toMAYto thing.
I did not say anything about panel defects but, IMHO, I would be surprised if the reject rate is 8 out of 10 (80%
). However, whatever the reject rate is, we the individual consumers, still pay for those unused panels. The machines that make the largest panels (i.e. 65 & up) are considerably more expensive than the machines that stamp out smaller glass. At those sizes even say 2 good panels to one
bad panel gets financially prohibitive very quickly.
Well what do you consider convincing the whole world to buy 720 TV's telling everyone that they are going to be blown away by "glorious HD" and then right after millions are accumulated, they pull the ole switch-aroo
and turn around and tell us they are merely "enhanced" definition. Now come on everybody and buy these brand new 1080 TV's as they are "true HD." Then after they make many millions more they have yet another surprise up the sleeve. "Ever hear of 1080p?" This is what we call "full HD." The picture is breathtaking and you better upgrade because those ridiculous TV's you bought last year don't support our beautiful, mouth-watering "stunning HD" like 1080p offers.
Then who could possibly forget the cute little battle between HDDVD/Blu-Ray where people lost mini-fortunes.? As if this weren't enough. Here comes "Smart TV".!!!..."Show us the Millions..!!"Uh Oh! Wait, put those Smart TV's you purchased away cuz you need a......a.............. a "True Smart TV!!" That regular "Smart TV" is so passe. "Remember when we told you that HDMI was amazing?" Sorry, you are going to need HDMI 2.0 and your TV doesn't have that!!!" "Time for an upgrade I think!!" "While you're at it you better upgrade to a 3D capable set because that's the FUTURE!!!!!" You don't want to be left behind right?!" "Active or Passive doesn't matter, you will get the most stunning 3D image that the manufacturers are going to stand behind forever!!!"
Here comes "glorious" 4k!!!!!!! 4 times the resolution, "so immaculate and awe inspiring".."just look at it!" "Wait, throw away your 4k sets you purchased over the last 3 years because unfortunately they will not be compatible with 4k players!" Yay!! More millions!! "Tired of old, boring plain flat screens?" "Try our new "CURVED TV's. "Enjoy the extra immersion as you sit and stare at 1/5th of a circle!! Don't mind the funhouse mirror effect or the odd glares that come with. Just sit back and tell yourself "Samsung knows what they're doing!" This can be yours for a nominal fee of a few hundred extra. It may not bring any better image but your friends will think you are so hip.!!!"....
"Oh and if you are still seeking the picture you thought 4k was going to bring you due to our relentless marketing campaigns/assaults where we said we would bring it to you.........here you go! Ready? You will need to buy a set with HDR!!"Sorry, our scientists and engineers are only just discovering that contrast ratio is more important to image quality than resolution!" More Millions, "How Fun?!" "And that quaint little TV you own is nothing without a wide color gamut!!!" What were you thinking buying that? "You Silly Billy!!!!"
Then we have the lovely stunts they pull like putting FALD in sets 5 years ago then stop for no reason and now bring it back under the guise of being a miracle feature!!! Or how about Nano Crystals which were used before? Now they're back and better than ever!!!! "We just didn't know what we were doing last time but now they're here to stay, we promise!!! "Please spend millions more on our "new" technology!!!!" "And if you would like these in a size where you may take advantage of or actually enjoy any of these features, you may have to choose between your child's college education and your TV but hey, is it really even a choice? Who doesn't love HD, am I right?!!" "And we have a little confession to make".... "When we told you 240, 480, 960 and 1300 refresh rates? We actually just made those up, they're all really just 120 and we only use tricks to simulate it and not very well."..."That's why your $11,000 TV still has blur and ghosting! Don't be upset, we'll make it up with contrast ratio!" "Oh Nevermind, we make those numbers up artificially as well."..."Most of all we apologize for having had all of these technologies in our displays and at or fingertips for years and never fully utilizing them."..." They were just marketing tools in the past but this time we plan on actually using them."
Also, don't forget plasma was the culprit, they were "so expensive to mass produce" and the consumer paid the price for it. "Wait til LCD comes along, they are so much cheaper to manufacture!!!" 15 years later we still see $10,000-$100,000 TV's while plasma was putting out masterpieces for $3-4 grand. I can't get an LCD that knows what black is for under $7k.
How about the mighty OLED that was going to save the world and "costs pennies on the dollar compared to plasma and LCD." We were all going to be "rolling up our TVs" and "hanging them on the wall like pictures" with the "dirt cheap" OLED. How much for a 50 inch 1080p? 3 thousand dollars!!!!!! AWESOME!!! 4k version? 12 THOUSAND DOLLARS! Yipeeee!! SOooo glad that "cheap" technology came along just in time! On top of fall this, LCD's are plagued with laughable black-levels banding, clouding, ghosting, motion blur, DSE, flash-lighting, judder
,light-bleed horrible viewing angles
etc. but they are "soo much brighter than plasma!!!" Though every CES is filled with pristine displays with not even a hint of imperfection. We are being sold a bill of goods. What is so hilarious is that CRT still produces a better picture in so many aspects than all of these "glorious" stunning" "jaw-dropping" "life-like" images we are supposedly getting. We are spending $8,000 dollars to fall short of a technology that was around since 1950. LMAO.
Then with all this supposed advancement there is not one single broadcaster who even broadcasts in 1080p after more than a decade. hahahahahaha We won't see HDR 4k in the next 75 years. They are all complicit in the conspiracy to rape the consumer, pull bait & switch, pump & dump..etc..etc. If this was finance they would be in prison for these tactics they use. What I have learned is that there is a massive fire and the fire department set it. They are giving themselves job security. They put out bullshi
t inferior products, improve incrementally and then claim to have made groundbreaking improvements and pat themselves on the back manipulating the consumers into spending millions in the process. You can't claim victory because you figured out a way to finally get your TV's to do what you have said they were going to do every year for the last 5. In essence if they create a TV without blur they can call it a "flagship," and charge $8-15k because one of their TV's finally handles motion like one would naturally expect from their marketing. They want praise for doing something every other technology has done since its inception. If the average consumer was aware of any of this they'd all be bankrupt. They are merely correcting their own mistakes at this point and making millions for it...lololol...Just like "here's an expensive plasma because it doesn't buzz" or "doesn't burn in as easily", Or "it's easier to watch during the day." The whole industry is twisted and evil.
In 3 years it will be "Ever heard of HDR+.0
?" Your TV soooo can't display it.....
"Samsung with HDR+.0"
ZU65HN9800 ----- $13,000.
ZU85HN9800 ----- $67,000
These circumstances just rinse and repeat ad nauseum, one thing that we all know for sure is that this cycle will never end. 2016 will be another "revolutionary advancement" that will keep prices astronomical and they will spend the next 4 years trying to get that "revolutionary advancement" from 2016 to work properly on their current displays until the next "revolutionary advancement" comes along.
So ya, I'd say I'm just a little "cynical." If you pronounce "To-MAy-To differently than me I don't know where you've been for the last 15 years.