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You are correct. It is not possible to get Atmos via ARC. You need either DD+ or TrueHD for Atmos.

Soon you can use the Amazon Fire TV coming in two weeks to stream Vudu (which has Atmos demos) and soon HDR Dolby Vision 4K titles... I also think you'll see non 4K Atmos on vudu

Amazon will also start having Atmos content as well. And you will get Dolby Digital Plus from Netflix, HD or 4K.
Thanks for the reply.

Are you saying that I can never use my new JS9500 as a source of Dolby Atmos material? (I think you are, I just hate to think I wasted money for the ability to access all those fancy movie apps that will not work. )

I have an old Panasonic Blu-Ray player that will pass along non-4k non-HDR VUDU demo videos with Dolby Atmos just fine. I also have an Apple TV, but it shows no sign of passing anything beyond mainstream content formats. It sounds like I need to find another "app machine" that will serve as a content source. Sigh.
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You are correct. It is not possible to get Atmos via ARC. You need either DD+ or TrueHD for Atmos.

Soon you can use the Amazon Fire TV coming in two weeks to stream Vudu (which has Atmos demos) and soon HDR Dolby Vision 4K titles... I also think you'll see non 4K Atmos on vudu

Amazon will also start having Atmos content as well. And you will get Dolby Digital Plus from Netflix, HD or 4K.
Thanks for the reply.

Are you saying that I can never use my new JS9500 as a source of Dolby Atmos material? (I think you are, I just hate to think I wasted money for the ability to access all those fancy movie apps that will not work. )

I have an old Panasonic Blu-Ray player that will pass along non-4k non-HDR VUDU demo videos with Dolby Atmos just fine. I also have an Apple TV, but it shows no sign of passing anything beyond mainstream content formats. It sounds like I need to find another "app machine" that will serve as a content source. Sigh.
The AppleTV does support DD+ btw

But there is no way with the current HDMI spec to get from Atmos audio via ARC.

My new Directv C61k 4K box supports DD+... So it's a better, at a cost, solution than RVU built into the tv.

But for MGo, etc.... those companies will need to allow these movies to be played off a BR/UHD player, for example for 7.1, Atmos, HD (high bit rate lossy or lossless) or a media player (Roku 4)....
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It sounds like I need to find another "app machine" that will serve as a content source. Sigh.
I think that's right. And the only such "app machine" in sight are the UHD blu-ray players, upcoming next year. They can do it, because they have an HDMI route to an AVR that can pass along an Atmos signal to the AVR (as current blu-ray players can do). There is just no way, it seems, to get Atmos output from a TV.

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Finally got to see Fast&Furious 7 last night on Blu-ray.

For anyone that hasn't seen it, this movie is a visual spectical. It probably has the most high risk action scenes I've ever seen and visually they did a marvelous job. Their goal is to out-do the previous film and some how but they just keep doing it.

It's probably the best widescreen movie visually I've seen so far. Some full screen imax movies look great as well.
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Finally got to see Fast&Furious 7 last night on Blu-ray.

For anyone that hasn't seen it, this movie is a visual spectical. It probably has the most high risk action scenes I've ever seen and visually they did a marvelous job. Their goal is to out-do the previous film and some how but they just keep doing it.

It's probably the best widescreen movie visually I've seen so far. Some full screen imax movies look great as well.
Mad max is also pretty phenomenal
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I'm waiting to see it on 4k blu ray... seems like a long wait
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Oh yea, ill put that one down on my list of movies to get too.

I've heard rave reviews of the 3d version, but is the 2d version also clean and high quality?
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I'm waiting to see it on 4k blu ray... seems like a long wait
I was hoping for 4k versions of all this year's blockbusters, but I dont know if that's gonna happen. That's why I decided to just go with the 1080p version of furious 7.

I read somewhere that they plan to have 50 to 70 titles at launch of players so hopefully that includes all the 2015 hits.
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Thanks for the reply.

Are you saying that I can never use my new JS9500 as a source of Dolby Atmos material? (I think you are, I just hate to think I wasted money for the ability to access all those fancy movie apps that will not work. )

I have an old Panasonic Blu-Ray playerr that will pass along non-4k non-HDR VUDU demo videos with Dolby Atmos just fine. I also have an Apple TV, but it shows no sign of passing anything beyond mainstream content formats. It sounds like I need to find another "app machine" that will serve as a content source. Sigh.
Adding to the earlier responses -- for Blu-ray and future UHD players (which will likely have the Dolby Atmos enabled apps you are hoping for) here is what will and won't work.

The following method will not work:

A) Hook up source HDMI to OCB but this will only send DD 5.1 back to AVR. This also applies to Apps on the TV due to the limitations of ARC and the HDMI specification.

Either of the following methods will work (but again, not for Apps on the TV):

B) Assuming you have an AVR capable of HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 you can hook up your source's HDMI to the AVR which will give you DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby True HD, Atmos, etc.

C) If you do not have an AVR capable of HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 you can still get DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby True HD, Atmos, etc. but your source device will require dual HDMI outputs.

See my attached wiring diagram that depicts method C where I have my Blu-ray Player's video (and lossy audio) going to the OCB and the lossless audio going to the AVR...
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I'm waiting to see it on 4k blu ray... seems like a long wait
yup it will be jan the 1080p 3d bluray is amazing though I highly recommend .

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For Blu-ray and future UHD players (which will likely have the Dolby Atmos enabled apps you are hoping for) here is what will and won't work.

The following method will not work:

A) Hook up source HDMI to OCB but this will only send DD 5.1 back to AVR

Either of the following methods will work:

B) Assuming you have an AVR capable of HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 you can hook up your source's HDMI to the AVR which will give you DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby True HD, Atmos, etc.

C) If you do not have an AVR capable of HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 you can still get DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby True HD, Atmos, etc. but your source device will require dual HDMI outputs.

See my attached wiring diagram that depicts method C where I have my Blu-ray Player's video (and lossy audio) going to the OCB and the lossless audio going to the AVR...
Bound to be UHD blu ray players that will offer 2 HDMI output
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Bound to be UHD blu ray players that will offer 2 HDMI output
Better darn well be as I don't think most of us are prepared to buy a brand new UHD Blu-ray player and the expensive disks, oh AND while we're at it, replace our A/V Receivers where just last year manufacturer's were claiming their 2014 models met the UHD standards... and then along came HDMI 2.0a.

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Finally got to see Fast&Furious 7 last night on Blu-ray.

For anyone that hasn't seen it, this movie is a visual spectical. It probably has the most high risk action scenes I've ever seen and visually they did a marvelous job. Their goal is to out-do the previous film and some how but they just keep doing it.

It's probably the best widescreen movie visually I've seen so far. Some full screen imax movies look great as well.
I noticed that starting with 2014 releases, PQ on certain selected titles was turned up a notch. "Imitation Game" was first time I noticed the improvement, so much so I limit myself to 2014-2015 movies in my Netflix queue. Mind you, only certain selected 2014-2015 have this almost-4K 'upgrade', other 14/15 releases are just normal quality, same as pre 2014. And the psuedo '4K look' happens only at lower screen width to viewing distance ratios. For example, on my 75" screen Imitation Game looks like ordinary 1080P at a distance of 90 inches.
I'll put off watching likely UHD candidates (such as Fast and Furious 7) so that I can enjoy them at full bitchinness first time around.

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Better darn well be as I don't think most of us are prepared to buy a brand new UHD Blu-ray player and the expensive disks, oh AND while we're at it, replace our A/V Receivers where just last year manufacturer's were claiming their 2014 models met the UHD standards... and then along came HDMI 2.0a.

Gong!
Oh, and just when you think the specs might be settling down, there are reports on the web that HDCP 2.2 may have been cracked...

Breaking Bad pilot becomes first 4K content pirated from Netflix

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Oh yea, ill put that one down on my list of movies to get too.

I've heard rave reviews of the 3d version, but is the 2d version also clean and high quality?
I saw it in IMAX at my local theater and also have it on Bluray 3D. Overall, my experience at the theater was better. BUT, that being said, the reason was because of my lack of good sound system. The 3D quality and overall picture was PHENOMENALLY better.

As with all 3D on the 9500, the massive backlight power allowed (combined with those nice 3D glasses I got) gave the movie a major boost in the display of colors. I actually left the IMAX theater with a slight disappointment in the film. I went into it not knowing any of the backstory (showing my age lol), and what I was to be expecting. There was a lackluster display of colors imo with very little contrast, kinda like I was watching a beige movie the entire time. On the 9500 though, everything changed. Colors were vibrant, but still muted as they were filmed to be (depth of color I guess?). The smoke flare fireworks for instance had such a greater effect. 3D overall is just better.

Even with it though, my lackluster sound bar could not come near enough in performance to make the IMAX viewing secondary to my at home experience. The gap in quality was so much I guess to make the envelopment into the movie less effective. I can't wait for some good speakers in the future, at which point I know movie viewing will not be warranted in pretty much any circumstance!
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No. My question was more basic; (How) Can I listen to Dolby Atmos from a JS9500 program or app on any AVR? I can get the programming to display on the television just fine and can get DD5.1 on the AVR just fine ... I just can not get Dolby Atmos fed to the AVR from the television.

Apparently I can not use HDMI (ARC). Is there another way to get the audio to my AVR without having the Dolby Atmos information removed.
Sorry, , I was asking a totally different question because you have the same tv and receiver as me and I wondered if you have this Smart screen issue too - nothing to do with Atmos.
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I read somewhere that they plan to have 50 to 70 titles at launch of players so hopefully that includes all the 2015 hits.
Link?

I've been told the number will be closer to 10, if that.
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I've been told the number will be closer to 10, if that.
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I've been told the number will be closer to 10, if that.
Link?
Yes...

I would like to know where he said he read his number.... It's different that what I have been told and read elsewhere.
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Hi Guys,

Someone posted some mega-links in earlier posts regarding HDR samples clips, unfortunately, the links are dead. If anyone have some rescue/backup links up that would be nice.

In the meantime, here is a MP4/HDR sample video file that you can play from the internal media player on HDR capable screen such as JS9500/JS9590 etc.. (or apparently from a Nvidia Shield console connected to such display too, to be confirmed)

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Fox Networks Engineering & Operations Advanced Technology group has produced some 2160p59.94 HDR (SMPTE ST 2084 PQ EOTF) P3 color space footage of a fire pit (think of this as the "HDR yule log"). This footage may be useful for those developing HEVC Main 10 UHD HDR encoders. It is short (02:50 TRT), but it is free to be used for lab work, demos, or even trade shows. The material is in TIFF files, we request that you send us a >= 1 TB USB drive for us to copy the files to & a return shipping sticker. We also have an HEVC Main 10 encoded MP4 file version for Internet download. Send me a message or comment here for more info.
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There are no HDMI 2.0a/HDCP 2,2 sources at this time.

But there are plenty of products that will support it via FW upgrades... However I don't know of any that have yet been FW upgraded to unlock/add 2.0a.

So yes... The are a bunch of choices out there to purchase today that will work just fine.

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Hi Guys,

Someone posted some mega-links in earlier posts regarding HDR samples clips, unfortunately, the links are dead. If anyone have some rescue/backup links up that would be nice.

In the meantime, here is a MP4/HDR sample video file that you can play from the internal media player on HDR capable screen such as JS9500/JS9590 etc.. (or apparently from a Nvidia Shield console connected to such display too, to be confirmed)

http://pan.baidu.com/s/1o6GLg5W

The footage is nothing special, it was published a month ago or more by Thomas Edwards on Linkedin, with following statement:



And later..



The linked file is a MP4 version of 900MB approx and not the RAW/source that is over 1TB, of course.

Last thing, does anyone have EDID dump of JS9500 ? it would be nice to dump and save for future use/need.
The link is in Mandarin and when translated wants you to sign up for some account is there not another link that is more direct thank you.

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The link is in Mandarin and when translated wants you to sign up for some account is there not another link that is more direct thank you.
Normally you don't need to register, may be a catcha if you visit first time, or if file is too big you need to download their cloud plugin.
The download link is the GREY one (where the file size is given).
You can also translate the page from Chrome options to ease things up.

If you have other hosting service available, just contact us, we can send the file directly then you can host it where you want.
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Use Automix/SINK mode for DV support on AVR-Key/Integral. Linker does NOT support all DV.
Want to get DD+ and ATMOS sound from TV streaming Apps back to an AVR via HDMI since it fails via ARC or S/PDIF?
Show interest by posting your TV and AVR brand/model. We might select you in the future for some beta test.
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I saw it in IMAX at my local theater and also have it on Bluray 3D. Overall, my experience at the theater was better. BUT, that being said, the reason was because of my lack of good sound system. The 3D quality and overall picture was PHENOMENALLY better.

As with all 3D on the 9500, the massive backlight power allowed (combined with those nice 3D glasses I got) gave the movie a major boost in the display of colors. I actually left the IMAX theater with a slight disappointment in the film. I went into it not knowing any of the backstory (showing my age lol), and what I was to be expecting. There was a lackluster display of colors imo with very little contrast, kinda like I was watching a beige movie the entire time. On the 9500 though, everything changed. Colors were vibrant, but still muted as they were filmed to be (depth of color I guess?). The smoke flare fireworks for instance had such a greater effect. 3D overall is just better.

Even with it though, my lackluster sound bar could not come near enough in performance to make the IMAX viewing secondary to my at home experience. The gap in quality was so much I guess to make the envelopment into the movie less effective. I can't wait for some good speakers in the future, at which point I know movie viewing will not be warranted in pretty much any circumstance!
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This is a little off topic but this issue has been driving me nuts for a long time. when my ps4 is loading a bluray it switches hdmi connection on and off between various menus in the disc. especially frozen 3D and the new walt disney short films collection is affected. just before the language menu comes up my speakers make a "pop" sound and only thing to fix it temporarily is to rebuild database in ps4 but the problem comes back time to time. is this normal AV behaviour or not? by the way i have a 65JS9500, Pioneer AVR 2015 year model, Klipsch Reference speakers and a Velodyne optimum 12inch sub.
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