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I'm with you on this one.My biggest problem with everyone is that right now with the small pics to compare you can obviously tell that the 9500 looks better than the Oled. The Oled pic looks dull compared to the 9500.There is no need to talk about HDR when the 9500 looks better with out HDR.Give my a little less contrast and better colors plus cleaner whites any day of the year plus $3000.00 cheaper please not even close.I would hate to see HDR implemented right what it would do to this comparison.Please Oled lovers come back with something better than the old 709
It was funny enough when people were judging displays with large pictures off the internet, but now we're judging one tech to be superior to another based on two small inset pictures of two displays that may not even be properly calibrated.

I'm glad you like your display, but that pix tells you next to nothing.
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After reading through this thread and others it would appear the conundrum is the same as it was back when you had to decide if you wanted a brighter sharper display( LCD) or better overall picture quality but at the expense of overall brightness( Plasma). OLED appears to just be the new plasma but with even better blacks yet lacks the Range that the new FALD LCD's have. So the question is do we wait for an OLED display to come out that will be able to display HDR and display better overall peak brightness and then for now buy a Samsung JS9500, or do we place hope in the fact that the new Flat 4K OLEDs that are coming out supposedly this fall maybe able to improve upon the EG9600/ EC9700 and have the full package that we desire?

I think all of us who have yet to take the plunge are hesitant of doing so because we are fearing the dreaded buyers remorse which will set in once we hop on the JS9500 band wagon only to then see these new kick ass 4K Oleds come out later in the year that outperform the JS9500 in every way.

Decisions, decisions....
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For me, the issue isn't so much does OLED have a better image, but whether that better image is so much better as to outweigh the higher price, potential uneven/rapid aging, and the widespread panel defect issues many OLED buyers have reported. The calibrators have not thus far been totally sold on OLED superiority, though I suspect we'll know much more when D-Nice and Chad post their reviews/numbers from the JS9500, and we see what Sony, Vizio and Panasonic come up with on their new sets.

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Just mounted my 65js9500. Replaced the f9000. Blacks are much better. Netflix app doesn't seem to have 3d support yet.. not that it matters. The silver bezel that I thought I would hate I already like. The remote is amazing. The previous two generations of smart remotes I found so useless that I put them in a drawer.

I haven't calibrated anything but in standard mode with all the default setting minus eco sensor it looks better than my calibrated f9000. Brighter, darker, very natural looking. Glare is less of an issue than it was on my f9000 and the viewing angle is frankly better. I have one couch that is at a 45 degree angle and it looks good. No light bleed to speak of at 45.

The new one connect feel cheap and plastic compared with the previous two. It looks fine though. the stand is a million times better. Sound feature are much better. You can now down sample audio output for speakers that can't handle 5.1. Added Bluetooth headphone support. Bluetooth speaker support is still limited to Samsung products but you can get past it by just calling your speakers headphones I assume. It worked for me anyways.

Blacks are not oled black in that you still have a little bit of halo effect but it's not bad and hard to even see if you set your brightness right for your room And you have plenty of brightness to play with. Large black areas are oled black without messing up shadows.

Honestly I'm not trying to brag this TV up but coming from the f9000, which I honestly thought was trash, this is amazing. The colors look amazing. I'm not going to claim this is because of quantum dot or whatever because I don't know enough about it but compared to the f9000 and hu9000 this thing is king hands down in the color and that's just on netflix. Blu-ray is insanely good. I'm reaching all my favorite movies and it's better than I've ever seen.

To bad Samsung has such terrible story displays because this TV looks awesome.
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Just mounted my 65js9500. Replaced the f9000. Blacks are much better. Netflix app doesn't seem to have 3d support yet.. not that it matters. The silver bezel that I thought I would hate I already like. The remote is amazing. The previous two generations of smart remotes I found so useless that I put them in a drawer.

I haven't calibrated anything but in standard mode with all the default setting minus eco sensor it looks better than my calibrated f9000. Brighter, darker, very natural looking. Glare is less of an issue than it was on my f9000 and the viewing angle is frankly better. I have one couch that is at a 45 degree angle and it looks good. No light bleed to speak of at 45.

The new one connect feel cheap and plastic compared with the previous two. It looks fine though. the stand is a million times better. Sound feature are much better. You can now down sample audio output for speakers that can't handle 5.1. Added Bluetooth headphone support. Bluetooth speaker support is still limited to Samsung products but you can get past it by just calling your speakers headphones I assume. It worked for me anyways.

Blacks are not oled black in that you still have a little bit of halo effect but it's not bad and hard to even see if you set your brightness right for your room And you have plenty of brightness to play with. Large black areas are oled black without messing up shadows.

Honestly I'm not trying to brag this TV up but coming from the f9000, which I honestly thought was trash, this is amazing. The colors look amazing. I'm not going to claim this is because of quantum dot or whatever because I don't know enough about it but compared to the f9000 and hu9000 this thing is king hands down in the color and that's just on netflix. Blu-ray is insanely good. I'm reaching all my favorite movies and it's better than I've ever seen.

To bad Samsung has such terrible story displays because this TV looks awesome.
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Hi all,


Thank you for all the great posts. I've been reading up on this and the only thing I'm hanging up on is the active 3D. Passive is much preferred.


Some info on pricing:
88JS9500 for $22,999 @ adorama.com
78JS9500 for $9499 info only @ flatpanelshd.com


3D viewing quote from Samsung user manual for 88JS9500:
"The ideal viewing distance is three times the height of the screen or more. 3D images may not appear if you do not adhere to the recommended viewing angle or distance." from Korean manual.




Can anyone confirm this? TV height for 88JS9500 is 44.7" X 3 = 134.1/12 = 11.175 feet away. Kind of defeat the purpose of watching close for theatre like experience.


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Review: Samsung UN65JS9500

Several years ago, Samsung’s first Full Array Local Dimming LED LCD, the UN55B8500, offered video enthusiasts the incredible contrast we craved; and we eagerly awaited larger and newer models with similar FALD technology. However, it turned out to be a painfully long wait, as Samsung released only edge lit LEDs as replacements. Thankfully, their new UN65JS9500 finally fills the void for those of us who desire better contrast than edge lit technology allows. The JS9500 also features Quantum Dot LED technology and 4K UHD resolution, and it supports High Dynamic Range HDR playback. Thanks to Chris from Cleveland Plasma/AV and new JS9500 owner Larry for making this evaluation possible.

The JS9500’s backlight is divided up into individual areas, with each zone illuminating only when picture content is being reproduced in it’s own part of the screen. The effectiveness of this technology is dependent on the number of zones, more being better; the intelligence and action of the dimming-boosting; the shape and definition of the zones; and the native panel contrast.

The number of zones plays a very important role, because fewer zones means more screen area around the picture content will glow, causing annoying blooming. Early FALD sets had anywhere from 90 to well over 200 zones, though sadly it seems that the trend has been going down in the few FALD offerings from Vizio and others. I counted 150 zones in the 65JS9500, with 10 rows of 15 across.

The JS9500 seemed pretty smart when it came to dimming action; stationary objects illuminated the zones less than moving objects, and moving objects gracefully illuminated the incoming zone while dimming the outbound zone in a similarly smooth fashion. However, some measurable white balance and gamma shifts occurred in the process, meaning that contrast aside, pictures will have some subtle but real dynamic shifts as the dimming action ramps up and down in different areas of the picture.

The shape of the 65JS9500’s zones is very diffuse. The most extreme example of sharply defined zones I’ve ever seen was in LG’s 55LE8500, where zones lit up like distracting squares and greatly diminished picture quality. Most FALD sets have moderately diffuse zones, giving a somewhat soft, diminishing glow around picture objects. I measured the glow area of the 65JS9500 at around 10-12” square for objects near the center of the screen, which will lead to the blooming being very gradual but covering a wide area of the screen.

The 65JS9500’s native panel contrast depended somewhat on the calibration technique used, but I found that the maximum attainable figure for Movie and the Cal Day and Night modes was a moderate 1843:1 (45/.024 fL). For comparison, the native CR of FALD sets from LG measure around 800-900:1, while the Sony X950B measures 3882:1 and the latest Vizios go even higher. All else being equal, this means that the visibility of the blooming on the JS9500 will be somewhat middle of the road.

The JS9500’s curved screen is very dark and soaks up ambient light like a sponge, though it’s shiny gloss means reflections can be very defined in some situations. I found it’s off axis behavior to be fairly sensitive to viewing angle, so viewers sitting more than a couple feet off axis at typical distances will see some shifts in picture quality from one edge of the screen to the other. The curved screen helps picture quality for viewers who are seated dead center and at closer than normal distances, because the screen edges will be more on axis in that situation.

Before calibration:

I began my evaluation of the JS9500’s various untouched picture modes in a room with moderate ambient light, watching some familiar Blu Ray 1080P/24 material.

Standard mode offered superb contrast, though shadow detail was too dark, making dark objects sink into black. The Soap Opera Effect, that hard to describe sensation of movies looking too much like video, was present, as well as some Dirty Screen Effect, which can give the illusion of greasy thumbprints in panning large white objects like clouds or hockey rinks. Orange tones looked too red, and reds were oversaturated, though skin tones were fairly well controlled. Colors appeared strong though cool and clinical. Detail was etched and hard, and bright white levels appeared slightly blended together. There was a surprising amount of depth, images popping off the screen in a very cool manner. Overall, the image looked impressive but overly enhanced and not very natural.

Natural mode had even more pop, but with reddish skin and orange tones. Natural looked quite similar to Standard but brighter and slightly more colored.

Movie displayed much more natural colors; red, orange, and blue shades looked real. However, it was still plagued by the pesky Effects gang, with SOE and DSE detracting from the picture quality. Somewhat earthy toned, Movie had a slightly off-white look in place of the cool and clinical color tones of Standard and Natural. Skin tones were just slightly too ruddy. Shadow detail was good and strong, though I felt it had a somewhat reddish cast at times. The picture had good depth and excellent contrast. Textures of moving objects appeared slightly smoothed, as would be expected with aggressive noise reduction.

Calibration:

Some quick fixes to improve Movie mode short of a full calibration would be to go to the picture options, turn the Digital Clean View to off or low, turn MPEG Noise Filter off, turn Auto Motion Plus off, and experiment with changing Warm2 to Warm1. The DCV set to low did seem to reduce graininess without glaring consequences, though purists would want to turn it off. Optimal AMP settings seemed to depend on the source material; 1080P/24 Blu Ray looked great with Custom settings of Blur Reduction 10 and Judder Reduction 1 (0-2 OK), though later when I viewed cable content the most natural motion by far was with AMP turned off. I turned AMP off for mixed Blu Ray and cable TV content. Neither Warm2 nor Warm1 will likely be perfect before calibration. Warm2 will be measurably closer, though it still may look worse than Warm1, which errs in a more palatable direction.

Although the technically correct sharpness setting is around 0, I found that a setting of 10-20 eliminated a slightly soft look to cable content without causing much edge enhancement.

Movie mode’s default contrast setting of 90 causes the 10 point white balance control to be progressively displaced, with lower intervals matching but higher intervals not adjusting the brightness range specified. For example, with contrast at 90, interval 80% of the white balance actually adjusts 87%. The contrast must be at 100 for no displacement. However, setting contrast at 100 causes full brightness colors to be reproduced at a lower luminance than darker colors. Reducing the contrast to 85 eliminated the color gamut luminance issue, though it caused 10 point displacement and reduced contrast ratio. Contrast calibration can therefore be a bit of a balancing act.

I found another balancing act in the setting of the global color control. Normally, that control would just be left at default, and the CMS adjustment would be used to calibrate the hue, saturation, and luminance of the primary and secondary colors. Surprisingly, I found that starting the CMS adjustment with a lower global color setting reduced the gamut luminance dropoff noted above, though it would then cause a discontinuity between full purity colors and paler colors, making color shadings and skin tones too pale despite measurements indicating they should be fine.

Further complicating the calibration were the gamma and white balance shifts caused by the local dimming. It was quite challenging to get the measurements to agree with the overall look of the picture. When I initially did the calibration with the dimming turned off, the match was not what I hoped for. With the dimming on, different results will be obtained depending on the type of measurement windows or fields used. Smart LED high measured differently than low or standard, with high degrading the gamma more. APL windows seemed to give the best match, though real time adjustment of the 10 point control was then thrown off by having the menu screen displayed on the screen. The best method is likely to use windows around 10% in size with a 22-25% APL surround, and not to try to do the 10 point adjustment in real time but rather do a lot of hopping in and out of the menu. Because of these calibration challenges, the JS9500 ended up taking much more time to dial in than usual.

Samsung has for years made available to calibrators two additional picture modes called CAL-DAY and CAL-NIGHT, which could be activated in the service menu. However, up until the JS9500, these modes have been plagued with bugs, such as carrying over the 10 point adjustments from day mode to night mode and vice versa, not applying all the advanced settings to the Smart Hub even when instructed to do so, etc. Happily, these issues have been remedied in the JS9500, and the modes can be used as true day and night calibration modes.

I looked in the service menu for any controls that might be helpful in remedying any of the calibration challenges such as dynamic color settings or similar, but found nothing of interest in the service menu beyond activation of the day and night modes.

With a 1080i input and custom AMP settings, my Jeti spectroradiometer synced to the screen output at 119.8 Hz.

Maximum light output, with backlight at the highest setting and Smart LED at standard, was 77.9 fL with contrast at 90 and in the 80-90 fL range with contrast at 100. Although I did not write it down in my notes, I also measured maximum light output with Smart LED on high and I believe the result was not much higher, the high setting dramatically boosting brightness at low backlight settings but not much if any at high backlight settings.

Contrast:

Using custom APL “torture test” windows (50% size, 99% APL), I measured the following worst case scenario contrast ratios:
Smart LED off: 1843:1 (45/.024 fL); Smart LED low and standard: 3935:1 (45.2/.011 fL) Smart LED high: 3940:1 (77/.0195 fL). Turning Smart LED to high was like turning on a brightness turbocharger, though it did not increase the contrast ratio.
Using 10% size 25% APL windows, which will approximate real content, gave the following results:
Smart LED low and standard: 15456:1 (43.1/.0028fL); Smart LED high: 16058:1 (73.6/.0046 fL).
Using full fields or conventional windows, the contrast ratio was immeasurable since the dimming made the blacks perfectly black.

Uniformity:

Screen uniformity was evaluated with full fields at black, dark (10-25% brightness), and mid-bright (50-100% brightness) picture levels.

With Smart LED off, black uniformity was poor, with obvious clouding in several areas. With dark content, it was fair on the right side with a bright area extending several inches from the edge and a slightly darker area right in from that before it became good in the center. It was then fairly good on left side, with a less noticeable bright area at the edge. With mid to bright content, it was fairly good, with just barely noticeable color shifts of green and pink across the screen, and a minor small dark area in the middle right edge.

With Smart LED on standard, the uniformity was the same as above with mid to bright content. Dark uniformity was good, with just minor problems along the right side.

After calibration:

Unfortunately, I did not get to view Ultra HD or HDR content on the JS9500 at this time, but I will edit this post when that opportunity occurs.

With the calibration finally done, viewing HD content in a dark room, the JS9500 had excellent pop and depth, far beyond what can be achieved with edge lit LEDs. Video motion was very good. Some blooming was visible in very dark scenes and credits, however.

I had to wonder, is the Quantum Dot technology really a big deal with normal HD content? Probably not, though there were some color characteristics that were different than previous Samsung LEDs in minor ways.

Regardless, skin tones looked very good; they were rich and realistic without making everybody look like they had chronic sunburns. In fact, that richness and realism extended to all colors.

The JS9500 displays a beautiful picture with HD content, though there are other displays that can make the same claim. While I liked the image a lot, I am not about to crown it the best display of all time; at least not until I get to evaluate it with some quality UHD and HDR content. For now, I’ll say the JS9500 is good enough to make me very eager to push it to it’s limits when appropriate content becomes available.
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My friend I have had the tv for 2 weeks now.Im very happy with my choice and now that I'm looking at the comparisons which not only I can see but the reviewers are making comments about.I have been wowed since I got it but I'm reading a lot of hate for this model which 99% of the people don't have.Now that I see the comparisons it makes it that more enjoyable about the choice that I made
Those pics pretty much sold me on the 9500. Unless those pics were manipulated to make the oled look dull, and colorless in comparison my eyes tell me that the suhd clearly has a superior image. To me the opinions that count are owners opinions. I'm glad you are confirming that this tv really is that good.
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so how do these numbers look for the JS9500, via chad B


"Contrast:

Using custom APL “torture test” windows (50% size, 99% APL), I measured the following worst case scenario contrast ratios:
Smart LED off: 1843:1 (45/.024 fL); Smart LED low and standard: 3935:1 (45.2/.011 fL) Smart LED high: 3940:1 (77/.0195 fL). Turning Smart LED to high was like turning on a brightness turbocharger, though it did not increase the contrast ratio.
Using 10% size 25% APL windows, which will approximate real content, gave the following results:
Smart LED low and standard: 15456:1 (43.1/.0028fL); Smart LED high: 16058:1 (73.6/.0046 fL).
Using full fields or conventional windows, the contrast ratio was immeasurable since the dimming made the blacks perfectly black."

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is the 65 vizio P actually brighter?
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is the 65 vizio P actually brighter?
The latest high end Vizios can reach around 120 fL.
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It was funny enough when people were judging displays with large pictures off the internet, but now we're judging one tech to be superior to another based on two small inset pictures of two displays that may not even be properly calibrated.

I'm glad you like your display, but that pix tells you next to nothing.
I'm not the one to listen to its the professional reviewer that is telling me what I'm seeing and he has both tv's in front of him.He is not going by small pics. Rec 709 is just inferior and he can tell as well as those small pics let you see
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is the 65 vizio P actually brighter?
someone correct me if i'm wrong here, but i think the JS9500 is the brightest tv of all time to this date, of couse, you dont wanna be running full brightness on this tv ever lol but it can get there!

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I can tell from the contrast description how bad is the black level retention.

correct me if I'm wrong on this, but do this translate to this ?

contrast ratios:
Smart LED off: contrast 1,843:1 white 45 black .024 fL

Smart LED low and standard: contrast 3,935:1 white 45.2 black .011 fL

Smart LED high: contrast 3,940:1 white 77 black .0195 fL

Turning Smart LED to high was like turning on a brightness turbocharger, though it did not increase the contrast ratio.

Using 10% size 25% APL windows, which will approximate real content, gave the following results:
Smart LED low and standard: contrast 15,456:1 white 43.1 black .0028fL

Smart LED high: contrast 16,058:1 white 73.6 black .0046 fL.

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Thank you for the comprehensive review, Chad.
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I can tell from the contrast description how bad is the black level retention.
Your hating like always..I see you have little to offer now that your reading more and more reviews.
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Plasma tech is dead and my tv will not last forever ,so I'm looking to what display tech switch in few more years or if my display suddenly get damage, my only option are LCD or OLED.

I'm not hating at all ,I'm talking about technical topics ,is chad hating because he mentioned the same issues? please stop making accusations towards me.

we are here to talk about the TV.
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The latest high end Vizios can reach around 120 fL.
According to a couple of the big name reviewers, I believe they said that the js9500 could hit 120 with the backlight only at 11 and it goes up to 20.
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Your hating like always..I see you have little to offer now that your reading more and more reviews.
He's not hating, he's being realistic. Chad even mentions the fact that the Vizio P attains better numbers. I don't understand why some people believe that if they think something is true, eventually it will come true.
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Thanks Chad for your time and effort in your initial unbiased review of the 65JS9500. Are you going to post all your calibrated settings for the owners to try them in a list more clearly? Also I see you tried only HD 1080i content. Did you not have time to plug in an ethernet cable to see some youtube 4k content? No BD disks? No 3D? Forthcoming? Will you be posting any of your calibration diagrams, charts & pre / post calibration pics other than the one chart?

When you do your grading of this set if you're able compare it to other top of the line FALD LCD displays you have personally seen or worked with in regards to PQ and other factors, how you would rate it above or below etc. I am curious in your opinion which displays for 2015 are the best 4k LCD in overall PQ, listing in order your top 3. I realize some of the new competitor 4k FALD LCD 2015 sets remain (Sony 75XBR-940c / Sharp B4k80" / Vizeo R series) to be shipped as of yet, but I am sure you seen them at CES in January.

I see you put up 1 pre & post calibration chart which is fine, but not any pics of some of the pros or the cons you mention below? As a potential buyer I'd like to see some pics of these anomalies described below:

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The Soap Opera Effect, that hard to describe sensation of movies looking too much like video, was present, as well as some Dirty Screen Effect, which can give the illusion of greasy thumbprints in panning large white objects like clouds or hockey rinks. / However, it was still plagued by the pesky Effects gang, with SOE and DSE detracting from the picture quality.

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timc1475 read Chad B public profile ,in about me ( I do not share the calibrated settings, as each display should be calibrated individually.)

here is the ranking, he doesn't have yet the JS9500 on the list.

http://hdtvbychadb.com/tv-reviews
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Further complicating the calibration were the gamma and white balance shifts caused by the local dimming. It was quite challenging to get the measurements to agree with the overall look of the picture. When I initially did the calibration with the dimming turned off, the match was not what I hoped for. With the dimming on, different results will be obtained depending on the type of measurement windows or fields used. Smart LED high measured differently than low or standard, with high degrading the gamma more. APL windows seemed to give the best match, though real time adjustment of the 10 point control was then thrown off by having the menu screen displayed on the screen. The best method is likely to use windows around 10% in size with a 22-25% APL surround, and not to try to do the 10 point adjustment in real time but rather do a lot of hopping in and out of the menu. Because of these calibration challenges, the JS9500 ended up taking much more time to dial in than usual.

ouch.

Was actually worried about gamma versus local dimming setting, especially in shadow detail region. Had considered white balance shift, but did not expect it. bummer.

Some sites calibrated with dimming off, then reported crush at standard dimming setting, which got me questioning.

Was actually was flipping through some test patterns last night, the low APL black level clipping pattern with steps at individual bit levels seemed to be a good pattern to look for shift/crush (without having a meter to quantify actual shift. )

Looks like Chad answered the question, better to calibrate with local dimming on.

I had even thought about getting C6 meter and having fun calibrating relative to some other sets, but this seems like it has its own struggles. May still do it, but fully realize that a layman like me may need to invoke some four letter word incantations as part of the calibration process to get desired results

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thanks Chad for your time and input
Could someone,please explain to me why do we have this big deference between Chad and D-Nice calibration result!
is it down to material been used,or different approach/tools?
is it possible that two sets of the same model to have calibration results that vary this much?
please,keep in mind that I'm not good in reading charts.
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According to a couple of the big name reviewers, I believe they said that the js9500 could hit 120 with the backlight only at 11 and it goes up to 20.
I am at a loss, unless they were measuring Dynamic mode, which I did not bother to measure because it always looks so terrible. I measured OOB Natural mode, which had backlight at 20, contrast set high, and LED smart dimming on high, and I'll have to check to verify the exact number but I know it wasn't more than around 80 fL or so.
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thanks Chad for your time and input
Could someone,please explain to me why do we have this big deference between Chad and D-Nice calibration result!
is it down to material been used,or different approach/tools?
is it possible that two sets of the same model to have calibration results that vary this much?
please,keep in mind that I'm not good in reading charts.
thanks
There is not much difference except in the measured contrast ratio. D-Nice's chart is a little tighter, but he measured at 10% intervals. I measured at 5% intervals, and did so during the 10 point calibration process. There were instances where I had to compromise a bit at the 10% intervals to get the 5% intervals right. I did all the after calibration results out of the menu, which D-Nice probably did as well though I do not know for sure.
His and my dE UV charts are actually remarkably similar, though I didn't publish those in my review. I'll see about posting those when I get time.

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Thanks Chad for your time and effort in your initial unbiased review of the 65JS9500. Are you going to post all your calibrated settings for the owners to try them in a list more clearly? Also I see you tried only HD 1080i content. Did you not have time to plug in an ethernet cable to see some youtube 4k content? No BD disks? No 3D? Forthcoming? Will you be posting any of your calibration diagrams, charts & pre / post calibration pics other than the one chart?

When you do your grading of this set if you're able compare it to other top of the line FALD LCD displays you have personally seen or worked with in regards to PQ and other factors, how you would rate it above or below etc. I am curious in your opinion which displays for 2015 are the best 4k LCD in overall PQ, listing in order your top 3. I realize some of the new competitor 4k FALD LCD 2015 sets remain (Sony 75XBR-940c / Sharp B4k80" / Vizeo R series) to be shipped as of yet, but I am sure you seen them at CES in January.

I see you put up 1 pre & post calibration chart which is fine, but not any pics of some of the pros or the cons you mention below? As a potential buyer I'd like to see some pics of these anomalies described below:

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The Soap Opera Effect, that hard to describe sensation of movies looking too much like video, was present, as well as some Dirty Screen Effect, which can give the illusion of greasy thumbprints in panning large white objects like clouds or hockey rinks. / However, it was still plagued by the pesky Effects gang, with SOE and DSE detracting from the picture quality.

Thanks!
The calibration took so long I did not have the opportunity to look at anything but 1080i cable and my reference screencaps after calibration, but I do plan on remedying that and will post the updated results. However, I do believe I have a pretty good handle on how this set looks with HD content.

I will try to post some more charts when I get time within the next few days. I don't think the Effects (SOE, DSE) can be captured with screenshots; they're too dynamic.

See the post below yours about the settings, but I did give some general guidelines for rough settings in the review.

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Thanks for the great review Chad. I was looking at this set really hard. As I have the Vizio P70 and I've been very happy with it. Of course after I calibrated it. And I can confirm that your 120 fL is correct for the P70.

I was trying to figure out if the $4000 difference from what I paid for the P70 would uphold. Bottom line for me was would the PQ be worth $4000 more.

If you have any input on this that would be great.

Big thanks again and great review....

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For me, the issue isn't so much does OLED have a better image, but whether that better image is so much better as to outweigh the higher price, potential uneven/rapid aging, and the widespread panel defect issues many OLED buyers have reported. The calibrators have not thus far been totally sold on OLED superiority, though I suspect we'll know much more when D-Nice and Chad post their reviews/numbers from the JS9500, and we see what Sony, Vizio and Panasonic come up with on their new sets.

Yep, and $5000 for the 55 inch flat OLED is completely out for me anyway so that isn't even an option if the price doesn't drop quick.

By the fall the SUHD line will probably be the only logical choice
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There is not much difference except in the measured contrast ratio. D-Nice's chart is a little tighter, but he measured at 10% intervals. I measured at 5% intervals, and did so during the 10 point calibration process. There were instances where I had to compromise a bit at the 10% intervals to get the 5% intervals right. I did all the after calibration results out of the menu, which D-Nice probably did as well though I do not know for sure.
His and my dE UV charts are actually remarkably similar, though I didn't publish those in my review. I'll see about posting those when I get time.
once again,thanks Chad for taking time to explain this,as I'm in the process of learning,things were not clear for me.
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