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Those are weird clips like marketing promo material for samsung...if you pause the 2 minute one at 0.08 it looks like David Katzmeier in the audience in a white shirt.
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I heard U.F. has Interstellar in remastered 4k. Did you get a chance to view it if so your thoughts?

I watched the preview. It didn't have that native 4k quality, more like high quality blu-ray. Of course that is only my opinion. I'm not really an expert. All of the native 4k Platinum content I've seen looks really good though.
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I watched the preview. It didn't have that native 4k quality, more like high quality blu-ray. Of course that is only my opinion. I'm not really an expert. All of the native 4k Platinum content I've seen looks really good though.
i dont think the preview is in 4k. i watched the preview of the new daredevil 4k show and it certainly was nowhere near 4k. Interstellar I have read was filmed with 70MM IMAX cameras, the same as the Avengers, so the quality will be excellent whether its 1080P or 4k.

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Those are weird clips like marketing promo material for samsung...if you pause the 2 minute one at 0.08 it looks like David Katzmeier in the audience in a white shirt.

I agree and I think is David.


Samsung does a great job training their workers to sell their products ,they also do a great job promoting their products ,they sure do spend millions of dollars on this.

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Those are weird clips like marketing promo material for samsung...if you pause the 2 minute one at 0.08 it looks like David Katzmeier in the audience in a white shirt.
It was definitely him. He was wearing his "4K TVs are Stupid" t-shirt.
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This website also did a calibration on both the JS9500 as well as the JSS9000, I will let you read it and determine for yourselves how difficult it was, alto out of the box the TV's were certainly close enough for me, alto I "might" back off the red a bit. This is also the site that mentioned the "Minimal difference between the SUHD Fald and the Edge lit, course, as many of you, I would go for the Fald, but I can only fit in a 60" TV where my 52 inch Sharp now resides, and the Fald only comes in 65"& >


I do want to thank Chad for his review, of the TV and I did find it most helpful!


Second
To really understand while not using HDR sources, that this TV "could look better" than TV's that do not use Quatum dots, one should study Quantum dots as I have. To put it in simple terms, they are more "Color Selective", Scientific "Narrower bandpass Emission". So what's the "Big Deal" about that?
Using "white" leds, (usually blue leds with a yellow phosphor), first is not all that efficient, or even using similar LED's with different colored phosphors, (red, blue green)are not only not that effieicent but they emit a lot of "wrong colors" that have to be blocked. The same is true for the OLED's with the Red, Green and Blue phosphors.


Filters have to be used to get the "Perfect" Red, Green or Blue Color, so the filters block all the light out that is not "Perfect" and hence waste a lot of light. Same for the Oled's with the red blue and green filters on them.


With the "close to perfect" green and red colored quantum dots, that don't emit light at colors not needed, (or at least not near as much as the colored phosphors do, and using a more "selective filter", then less light is blocked and hence the display can get brighter, and be far more efficient.


I really expect to see Quantum Dot Oled TV's as that will be an easy way for them to increase brightness without using a lot more power than they already do (at mid to High brightness).


LCDLED TVs this year went from a max brightness of around 500, to around 1100 whilst
OLED TV's, (so far), have only increased in brightness by 50 (somewhere around 325 to 375).


Anyway, I hope this helps to explain why a quantum Dot TV (SUHD) can, (even with non HDR content), can product a brighter more colorful picture than a TV without same.


OOOps here's that website.


http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue65j...1502234012.htm


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You say you only have room for a 60" tv. I'd be curious to know how much the curve shaves off of the horizontal width. Can someone measure horizontally with a straight edge so it can be compared to a flat 65" tv?
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You say you only have room for a 60" tv. I'd be curious to know how much the curve shaves off of the horizontal width. Can someone measure horizontally with a straight edge so it can be compared to a flat 65" tv?
well,for the the 9500 the width is 57.1'',the 8500 it's 57.7".so I guess it's 0.6''
this is as per the specifications on samsung site.
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well,for the the 9500 the width is 57.1'',the 8500 it's 57.7".so I guess it's 0.6''
this is as per the specifications on samsung site.
That's better than I thought it would be. I could have, and should have looked this up myself... Oops.

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What kind of content did u watch?
1080p content at the same time, and 4K demos that came with each unit.
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Well, if you're set for this year, then it won't be OLED or a JS9500 FALD. You'll be buying a non-FALD, probably edge-lit LCD.
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The JVC 85" uses a 64 zone FALD scheme and the (hopefully) upcoming 2015 Vizio 80" P-Series will also use FALD considering the company has invested so much effort + R&D developing its own take on the technology.
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I watched the preview. It didn't have that native 4k quality, more like high quality blu-ray. Of course that is only my opinion. I'm not really an expert. All of the native 4k Platinum content I've seen looks really good though.
I saw the preview too, "high quality blu ray" is being kind, more like run-of-the -mill 1080P. What is "native 4k Platinum"?
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I saw the preview too, "high quality blu ray" is being kind, more like run-of-the -mill 1080P. What is "native 4k Platinum"?
ultraflix ranks the quality of 4k material it is. theres silver, gold, and platinum being the very best. my guess is that silver is more 4 converted while platinum is true native 4k.

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by the way, for anyone that has heard of the OLED burn in problem...poster says this burn has been on this display for MONTHS.

in case you forget your watching an OLED tv, the burn in will remind you at all times :P
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I saw the preview too, "high quality blu ray" is being kind, more like run-of-the -mill 1080P. What is "native 4k Platinum"?
movies shot with 70MM IMAX cameras are high quality blu ray. such as the avengers, avatar, etc.

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by the way, for anyone that has heard of the OLED burn in problem...poster says this burn has been on this display for MONTHS.
in case you forget your watching an OLED tv, the burn in will remind you at all times :P

Four years ago I got Image Retention (IR) on a new Panasonic vt25. Took months before it wasn't visible. Even went so far as to buy a video processor so that I could "zoom in" and "move around" areas of the picture to get rid of station logos and crawlers on news channels.


My displays may not have the best possible blacks (plasma or oled); but my life will never again be ruled by concerns about IR.
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That would be about right.....I'll tell ya, the Sharp 80" is a great unit for its price, really always has been. LOL, I snagged a few when the LC-80LE650U where $2200 in November, I do NOT regret it for the application we had ! Best deal I have seen in a long time....

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Four years ago I got Image Retention (IR) on a new Panasonic vt25. Took months before it wasn't visible. Even went so far as to buy a video processor so that I could "zoom in" and "move around" areas of the picture to get rid of station logos and crawlers on news channels.


My displays may not have the best possible blacks (plasma or oled); but my life will never again be ruled by concerns about IR.
When spending 7 to 10k, it's a major concern IMO. I'd rather not take the chance either!
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by the way, for anyone that has heard of the OLED burn in problem...poster says this burn has been on this display for MONTHS.

in case you forget your watching an OLED tv, the burn in will remind you at all times :P
Posts like this should always include a link back to the source, IMHO.

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Posts like this should always include a link back to the source, IMHO.

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by the way, for anyone that has heard of the OLED burn in problem...poster says this burn has been on this display for MONTHS.

in case you forget your watching an OLED tv, the burn in will remind you at all times :P
That has to be a display model not an owners TV. A display with a logo looping for along time every day. There hasn't been widespread complaints with owners yet. Nothing even close to scale as plasma forum complaining about ir.
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Posts like this should always include a link back to the source, IMHO.
a forum member of a different forum posted those photos of his nearby store. whether it is a demo loop or not, it still shows the potential of serious burn in, and in a relatively short period of time. this type of burn in can happen withing MONTHS, its not like after 5 years of use. so if you watch the same stuff over and over, it can certainly happen.

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That has to be a display model not an owners TV. A display with a logo looping for along time every day. There hasn't been widespread complaints with owners yet. Nothing even close to scale as plasma forum complaining about ir.
and what do you think happens when you watch HDR on these OLED tvs? HDR is like super torch mode, so i wouldnt exactly be running to buy a 4k HDR OLED any time soon until people start putting serious hours on those tvs and see how the panels handle the technology.

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by the way, for anyone that has heard of the OLED burn in problem...poster says this burn has been on this display for MONTHS.

in case you forget your watching an OLED tv, the burn in will remind you at all times :P
preaching that people that are pointing tv issues are bashing and hating and what is this?

you see that talking about displays issues isn't bashing or hating.

some people just can't handle the true about displays.

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preaching that people that are pointing tv issues are bashing and hating and what is this?

you see that talking about displays issues isn't bashing or hating.



The difference sir is that I would never go into an oled thread and bash the owners. Just as the oled owners can bash led tvs all they want in their own threads, that's fine!

But on a more serious note, these burn in pictures were quite alarming to me. You can hide clouding, you can't hide burn in. Much more serious problem.
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As its been pointed out, there is no perfect tv. Which really does suck. Everyone is hoping oled can take over the industry, but until the burn in problem is solved, I don't think it will.
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and what do you think happens when you watch HDR on these OLED tvs? HDR is like super torch mode, so i wouldnt exactly be running to buy a 4k HDR OLED any time soon until people start putting serious hours on those tvs and see how the panels handle the technology.
HDR doesn't mean the panel is going to be in torch mode. Mostly it will be about bits. How much more graduation less contouring more detail than some blinding light output. So I don't think anything is going to happen differently. Why? Because when watching content the image is constantly changing therefor no image retention. Unlike that display unit in that picture where it sat there with letters on the screen in the same spot day in day out.
Also there have been OLED owner reports from former/current plasma owners who have stated that their OLED TV is far less suceptible to ir than there plasma TV.
Let's just take a step back and wait till owners that use the TV for regular content start complaing about ir. Until then we have no idea what the longevity will be like.
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HDR doesn't mean the panel is going to be in torch mode. Mostly it will be about bits. How much more graduation less contouring more detail than some blinding light output. So I don't think anything is going to happen differently. Why? Because when watching content the image is constantly changing therefor no image retention. Unlike that display unit in that picture where it sat there with letters on the screen in the same spot day in day out.
Also there have been OLED owner reports from former/current plasma owners who have stated that their OLED TV is far less suceptible to ir than there plasma TV.
Let's just take a step back and wait till owners that use the TV for regular content start complaing about ir. Until then we have no idea what the longevity will be like.
I have to concur here. I have had my oled for a while, it has over 1100 hours on it and I have never seen any IR on it let alone burn in. My F8500 on the other hand does get IR from cnbc on a regular basis. It is not a real concern with oled unless it is abused badly like those showroom floor photos that ray posted.
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The difference sir is that I would never go into an oled thread and bash the owners. Just as the oled owners can bash led tvs all they want in their own threads, that's fine!

But on a more serious note, these burn in pictures were quite alarming to me. You can hide clouding, you can't hide burn in. Much more serious problem.
so you do this on an LCD thread ? why ? I think if this concern you ,you should ask in the Oled forum and shared your thoughts with them.

IMO talking about issues isn't hating , bashing or been negative.
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I have to concur here. I have had my oled for a while, it has over 1100 hours on it and I have never seen any IR on it let alone burn in. My F8500 on the other hand does get IR from cnbc on a regular basis. It is not a real concern with oled unless it is abused badly like those showroom floor photos that ray posted.
I think this depend ,some panels get temporary IR very easy and other don't. no all owners complain about IR or burn in so I will not generalize the issue to every single plasma.

this can be apply to Oled too.
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so you do this on an LCD thread ? why ? I think if this concern you ,you should ask in the Oled forum and shared your thoughts with them.

IMO talking about issues isn't hating , bashing or been negative.
I have no issues with you, you ask questions and participate in helpful dialogue. But others have no intent of being helpful. We all know the issues led tvs have, but does everyone know about oled burn in since it's such a new technology?
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