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I have no issues with you, you ask questions and participate in helpful dialogue. But others have no intent of being helpful. We all know the issues led tvs have, but does everyone know about oled burn in since it's such a new technology?
I was more concern about the longevity of Oled than Burn in and IR.there was a rumor that Oled it was going to last only about 2,000 hours but after 2,000 + hours people are still enjoying their Oled.
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The audio coming out of my JS9500 One Connect box is slightly out of sync. Is there a way to fix that? I have cable box directly connected to One Connect via HDMI and then to the TV. If I run an optical cable from cable box to stereo, it will sync up with the video. But if I use the TV's speakers or if I run optical from One Connect to stereo, it's slightly out of sync. I would have thought the One Connect would maintain synchronization. Maybe the signal from the cable company is out of sync. Anyway, is there a way to fix it so I use the audio from the One Connect? The audio needs to be sped up, or the picture needs to be delayed.
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I was more concern about the longevity of Oled than Burn in and IR.there was a rumor that Oled it was going to last only about 2,000 hours but after 2,000 + hours people are still enjoying their Oled.
We may not know the true longevity until year 2 3 and 4 of those original oled tvs. And also gotta factor in that there isn't very many oled owners to gather info from, it is a very small amount of people because 1.only been out 1 year and 2.very expensive

I wouldn't mind finding out the numbers of how many oled tvs sold in 2014 compared to led. You'd have to think it's at least 100:1
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found some 4K HDR please download and test on your sets. My set was able to play it HU8700 but I know that this et can't decode meta data so lots of info must be missing .. Report back with impressions and pics ...This is on youtube

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The difference sir is that I would never go into an oled thread and bash the owners. Just as the oled owners can bash led tvs all they want in their own threads, that's fine!

But on a more serious note, these burn in pictures were quite alarming to me. You can hide clouding, you can't hide burn in. Much more serious problem.

That's because you would ridiculous trying to convince owners that it's a major problem. Oled didn't just come out this year, it has been out for couple. Every owner would be posting such problems everywhere but they aren't. Don't make it sound that it's a major problem.

If you are not responsible with your electronics things like this can happen even with LCD believe or not. You can't hide clouding, or flash lighting either. Why are they alarming to you if you aren't even considering one?

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That's because you would ridiculous trying to convince owners that it's a major problem. Oled didn't just come out this year, it has been out for couple. Every owner would be posting such problems everywhere but they aren't. Don't make it sound that it's a major problem.

If you are not responsible with your electronics things like this can happen even with LCD believe or not. You can't hide clouding, or flash lighting either. Why are they alarming to you if you aren't even considering one?
I personally don't care to tell oled about their problems and certainly would not hijack an owners thread when I do not own the technology. If u want my opinion which I'm sure you dont, I think motion and black crush are bigger issues than long term burn in possibilities. And actually yes u can hide clouding by keeping the backlight lower, which surprisingly alot of led owners keep their backlight very low out of personal preference. I do own an edge lit led and I knew the issues these sets CAN have when I purchased but I didn't have many options in my personal price range. We've seen hundreds of pictures of clouding and banding and edge bleed and washout, was different seeing other tvs issues such as burn in.
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Back to my audio issue. When I connect the cable box via hdmi thru the stereo and then to the One Connect, the audio is in sync but I loose the option to play audio through the tv's speakers. I still think it's strange that when you connect directly to the One Connect that the audio is delayed slightly. Also I had ruled out the possibility that the originating signal is out of sync.
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I personally don't care to tell oled about their problems and certainly would not hijack an owners thread when I do not own the technology. If u want my opinion which I'm sure you dont, I think motion and black crush are bigger issues than long term burn in possibilities. And actually yes u can hide clouding by keeping the backlight lower, which surprisingly alot of led owners keep their backlight very low out of personal preference. I do own an edge lit led and I knew the issues these sets CAN have when I purchased but I didn't have many options in my personal price range. We've seen hundreds of pictures of clouding and banding and edge bleed and washout, was different seeing other tvs issues such as burn in.
Seems to you that is just fair to talk about other displays tech issues in an LCD thread so in case this owners enter here you just tell them that they are hijacking the thread?

anyways changing the subject are you getting this tv?
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Seems to you that is just fair to talk about other displays tech issues in an LCD thread so in case this owners enter here you just tell them that they are hijacking the thread?

anyways changing the subject are you getting this tv?
i just have an issue with people purposely going into a thread to attack a tv and its members and basically calling them stupid for even buying the tv, as i would never enter an OLED thread and tell them they are stupid for buying the tv. i have never posted in an OLED thread because 1. i dont own one 2. they are not even in my price range at the moment. IF i did post in an OLED thread, i would be asking questions regarding known issues, NOT attacking the members there. before you say that nobody has attacked anybody, there is at least 5 people that would agree with me on that. however, i do not consider you to be one of the attackers/instigaters.

and no, i will not be buying this tv, however i should find out within a week if i will be upgrading to the JS8500 or JS9000, so im am trying to see the differences between the 3 and how much different they are performance wise.

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I think this depend ,some panels get temporary IR very easy and other don't. no all owners complain about IR or burn in so I will not generalize the issue to every single plasma.

this can be apply to Oled too.
No indeed I agree with you, the point I was making is that even though plasma suffered from this occasionally (to your point exactly my f8500 is much more prone to it than my pro111 was) it was still an obviously fantastic display tech and minor and rare cases of Ir/burn in did little to nothing to detract from that. With oled my personal experience (and that of most if not all owners in the oled threads thus far) has been that it is even rarer and only occurs in extreme cases so I personally would not regard this as any kind of material stumbling block when it comes to oled.

With regards to the JS9500 I asked imagic in the samsung showcase thread about the black levels being visibly superior to the the edge lit models and to my surprise he said that he couldn't say at this point. More than likely the environment he was in but surprising nonetheless.
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Still the mystery on the 78" model. Samsung announced the 78JS9100 and didn't talk about the 78JS9500 in NYC . Nobody seems to know if the 9100 is FALD or not but the MSRP at 10K is scary if it is not..

I was so happy without HDR...
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Still the mystery on the 78" model. Samsung announced the 78JS9100 and didn't talk about the 78JS9500 in NYC . Nobody seems to know if the 9100 is FALD or not but the MSRP at 10K is scary if it is not..
im thinking the JS9100 is not fald, but a version of the 9000 instead. which is stupid because last years 78" HU9000 was nowhere near 10k even at launch. in the description posted on the april 2nd conference thread, the discription of the JS9500 lists "peak illuminator ultimate" while the 78" JS9100 lists "peak illuminator pro". peak illuminator pro is a featuer on the js8500/js9000, which indicates that hte js9100 is NOT fald, but rather an edge lit 9000 instead.

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im thinking the JS9100 is not fald, but a version of the 9000 instead. which is stupid because last years 78" HU9000 was nowhere near 10k even at launch. in the description posted on the april 2nd conference thread, the discription of the JS9500 lists "peak illuminator ultimate" while the 78" JS9100 lists "peak illuminator pro". peak illuminator pro is a featuer on the js8500/js9000, which indicates that hte js9100 is NOT fald, but rather an edge lit 9000 instead.
I agree with ray on this. Also, if the 78" Fald is coming why on Earth wouldn't you showcase it at your region specific marketing extravaganza? I hate to say it but it makes me nervous about it getting released here at all...
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I agree with ray on this. Also, if the 78" Fald is coming why on Earth wouldn't you showcase it at your region specific marketing extravaganza? I hate to say it but it makes me nervous about it getting released here at all...
or, it may be a summer release instead. 78JS9100 is scheduled for may so the 78 fald may come a couple months later. the 10k price is stupid because its not even fald. im sorry, but if someone has to choose between the 75" sony FALD 940C at 9k, or a 78" edge lit at 10k im guessing they would take the FALD for LESS. no brainer there.

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or, it may be a summer release instead. 78JS9100 is scheduled for may so the 78 fald may come a couple months later. the 10k price is stupid because its not even fald. im sorry, but if someone has to choose between the 75" sony FALD 940C at 9k, or a 78" edge lit at 10k im guessing they would take the FALD for LESS. no brainer there.

If the 9100 is not FALD (most likely) and the Sony 75X940C really comes close to 8K, there will be no buyers at all for the Samsung model. It doesn't make sense. It also can indicate that Samsung won't launch the 78JS500 here because it can't compete with Sony at this size. Only reason to buy the 9100 would be if you are a curve lover and want to pay a price for it. Sounds crazy, anyway.

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We may not know the true longevity until year 2 3 and 4 of those original oled tvs. And also gotta factor in that there isn't very many oled owners to gather info from, it is a very small amount of people because 1.only been out 1 year and 2.very expensive

I wouldn't mind finding out the numbers of how many oled tvs sold in 2014 compared to led. You'd have to think it's at least 100:1
I suspect you meant 55" OLED TVs sold in 2014 compared to 55" LED/LCD TVs, and tracking down those numbers will be tough if not impossible.

But the overall number of LED/LCD TVs sold in 2014 was in the ballpark of 200,000,000 while the estimates on OLED TV sales in 2014 vary between 20,000 and 70,000.

So in any case, the overall ratio of LED/LCD TV sales to OLED TV sales in 2014 is at least 3000:1.
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Back to my audio issue. When I connect the cable box via hdmi thru the stereo and then to the One Connect, the audio is in sync but I loose the option to play audio through the tv's speakers. I still think it's strange that when you connect directly to the One Connect that the audio is delayed slightly. Also I had ruled out the possibility that the originating signal is out of sync.
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Not sure about the technical reason for the issue; but it's normal. Control is via Menu/Sound/Additional Settings/Audio delay. Believe I've read 70ms is the best setting; but you can play with it to find what you like.
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I agree with ray on this. Also, if the 78" Fald is coming why on Earth wouldn't you showcase it at your region specific marketing extravaganza? I hate to say it but it makes me nervous about it getting released here at all...

One of the threads had a link to a Crutchfield listing for the 78" JS9500.
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found some 4K HDR please download and test on your sets. My set was able to play it HU8700 but I know that this set can't decode meta data so lots of info must be missing .. Report back with impressions and pics ...This is on youtube
It's hard to know for sure if this is what true HDR encoded content will look like. Also, I'm not sure if there is a true HDR 'mode' that the TV goes into that widens the brightness range of the display. I think I must already be pushing 1000 nits in the brightest areas of videos I viewed so far. I wish I knew more about how these new TV's handle HDR.
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It's hard to know for sure if this is what true HDR encoded content will look like. Also, I'm not sure if there is a true HDR 'mode' that the TV goes into that widens the brightness range of the display. I think I must already be pushing 1000 nits in the brightest areas of videos I viewed so far. I wish I knew more about how these new TV's handle HDR.
Not sure if u heard the big news but samsung announced they will be releasing an HDR video pack by summer. I'm sure it'll be in the $400 range like last year's though.
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Not sure about the technical reason for the issue; but it's normal. Control is via Menu/Sound/Additional Settings/Audio delay. Believe I've read 70ms is the best setting; but you can play with it to find what you like.
Ahh, thank you. That was very helpful. I might be able to use the optical outlet on the One Connect after all. It's currently set to 100, turning it down should help.
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Those are weird clips like marketing promo material for samsung...if you pause the 2 minute one at 0.08 it looks like David Katzmeier in the audience in a white shirt.
Yeah that's David K.

Also, in the second half of that video, I asked the Samsung rep to talk to me and not look at the camera—he had his thing he wanted to do. Most of the clips are Samsung-produced loops like you see playing at CES, but at least there was footage from Exodus.
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Weird that they wouldn't mention it as the event...fair enough then!
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So make believe MSRP of $14999 with the usually $2000 off on day one, so $12999 under UPP and probably 11,000-11,999 street pricing for those not under UPP. So about $10K for Black Friday and probably $8K by model close out next year. That is assuming other WHF models actually hit the market this summer like planned.

Samsung 65" UN65JS9500 (150 zones) $5000
Samsung 78" UN78JS9500 (180? zones) $11000
Samsung 88" UN88JS9500 (Over 200 zones, 21:9) $22000
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[QUOTE=sytech;33261793]So make believe MSRP of $14999 with the usually $2000 off on day one, so $12999 under UPP and probably 11,000-11,999 street pricing for those not under UPP. So about $10K for Black Friday and probably $8K by model close out next year. That is assuming other WHF models actually hit the market this summer like planned.



Wishful thinking man. The ABT add already discounted 2K from the MSRP of $16999. There is also this mysterious 789100 at 10K announced in NYC last week by Samsung.My only hope is the Sony 75X940C at less than 9K pushing the Samsung prices all the way down.

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Wishful thinking man. The ABT add already discounted 2K from the MSRP of $16999. There is also this mysterious 789100 at 10K announced in NYC last week by Samsung.My only hope is the Sony 75X940C at less than 9K pushing the Samsung prices all the way down.
You mean like this wishful thinking? So about 25% off "MSRP". Samsung does this gimmick where most of there stuff is $1000-$5000 off on the first day. The discounted price is usually the true MSRP for those forced into UPP. For others it is usually even $1000-2000 lower for street price.

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ABT may have the MSRP wrong as well.

This mentions $14,999

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/samsung-...ews-20738.html

I would thinks until there's actually product, most of the reputable sites like Crutchfield and ABT will simply list the MSRP as the price, so $14,999 is likely it.

Frustrating year so far for higher-end 75-80" TVs. 77" OLED is ridiculously priced, 78" FALD Samsung is still somewhat of a mystery and also has a steep MSRP, Sharp "Beyond 4K" still doesn't have a price or release (other than late 2015) attached.

Sony could have been all over this, but what did they do? Attach those awful speakers to their 75" flagship! Arghh
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