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Samsung support is really a crapshoot. I asked them today and the rep I had told me that neither the 8500 or 9000 will do hdr. But I'm pretty sure the rep I had didn't even know what hdr was lol they said the js9500 will do hdr but it will still have black bars at the top and bottom lol I'm like okay goodbye!!
Those reps don't know ish . You would need to talk to a Samsung engineer to get accurate info. HDR requires 10 bit processing and 10 bit panel for best results possibly 8 bit with HI Frc,HDMI 2.0(high bandwidth 18gbs) ,contrast ratio over 2000 and a way to precisely control the light output of led's such as micro dimming edge or fald. Thats the requirements simple as that.

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Anyone know if the 9000 series has confirmed HDR? Besides being curved it looks like it has the same Panel spec's
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Kevin: I see that JS8500 TVs support HDR.
We ought to be careful, here, about the interpretation of "support HDR". An HDR TV ought to be able to (1) decode an HDR signal and (2) display the HDR information. So far as I know there is no HDR standard saying what, exactly, an HDR signal is, but presumably the Samsung engineers know enough about it to be sure that the sets they're now selling as HDR compatible are a software update away from being able to interpret HDR from UHD blue ray players, when they get here. For (2), there are somewhat elastic hardware requirements, including a 10 bit panel and extra brightness. How much extra brightness?

The not-yet-ready Vizio R-series advertised Dolby Vision and claimed 800 nits of brightness. The upcoming OLED sets from LG said to be HDR-ready claim 800 nits, also. The Samsung JS9500 supposedly has 1000 nits. All these are substantially below the brightness figures mentioned by Dolby in its discussions of HDR.

But the Samsung JS9000 has only 600 nits (according to two review comments I've seen). That's getting pretty low to be able to claim HDR readiness. The JS8500 set sounds really nice, for the price, but so far I haven't seen any specifics about just how HDR ready it is. When Samsung representatives claim that it "supports HDR", maybe they just mean what I put in (1), above -- that it will interpret a signal containing HDR information.

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Those reps don't know ish . You would need to talk to a Samsung engineer to get accurate info. HDR requires 10 bit processing and 10 bit panel for best results possibly 8 bit with HI Frc,HDMI 2.0(high bandwidth 18gbs) ,contrast ratio over 2000 and a way to precisely control the light output of led's such as micro dimming edge or fald. Thats the requirements simple as that.
Making up your own standards huh?
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I agree that HDR support for this TV should be listed as questionable right now until a unit is tested and shown to support it. It is looking at least somewhat probable but if this is a deal breaker for anyone they should hold off purchase until it is proven one way or another. The TV is still looking pretty good as to meet known future standards though besides HDR which is still in question.
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Making up your own standards huh?
these are the minimum requirements that we know thus far also Samsung is a founder of the UHD alliance.
I think this video proves that SUHD set has HDR.


here you find more info that 10 bits allow them to have more colours they also reach 93% of DCI P3 colour space with Nano Crystals.


I have been paying attention there has been a check list thus far like I stated above 10 bits 2000 min contrast ratio etc. you need better light control cause HDR concentrates on specific areas with great detail. Everything I said is 100% true will other things come into play possibly but thus far it meets requirements. Seems like a certain peek nits will be required as a part of UHD certification that includes HDR. Do you know that Samsung is leading the charge in the alliance so I think its pretty easy to say the will have it when they say it does. The movie studios have said that SUHD has the colour they thought they would never see on a home tv. Actually the studios mastered the HDR content and gave to Samsung. Trust me people you're in good hands with SUHD set.

This video should give you much more info Scott Wilkinson knows his stuff they clearly tell you what is needed for HDR watch this video for lots of information



After watching these videos HDR requirements should be very clear and which set will have it 100% wont be a question anymore
here are more links stating js8500 has HDR remember all SUHD line has HDR JS8500 is just flat in US.
http://www.downloadtizenapps.com/201...l#.VRIOiPnF_E4
https://www.avforums.com/review/sams...0-review.11268
http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-un65js8500/
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I agree that HDR support for this TV should be listed as questionable right now until a unit is tested and shown to support it. It is looking at least somewhat probable but if this is a deal breaker for anyone they should hold off purchase until it is proven one way or another. The TV is still looking pretty good as to meet known future standards though besides HDR which is still in question.
the set does have HDR there is no need to question it. This is one of the selling features this year. Watch the above videos it should clear up your questions
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More info on HDR requirements remember all SUHD sets do HDR. Saw a post saying the measured the JS9000 @ 600 nits but remember they got that measurement without HDR. HDR has meta data which is transferred to the panel only key areas reach 1000 nits not the whole screen imagine that we would be blinded lol. This article I am posting clearly stated that 18 gps is needed for HDR and we know we also need a 10 bit panel and why you need good control of your light output etc.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...t-than-4K.html


More nits require more bandwidth, but Hunt said that delivering an HDR picture only requires about 20 per cent more bits than the equivalent resolution. So 4K is normally delivered in about 15Mbps, while 4K HDR requires 18Mbps; 2K is delivered in 5-6Mbps, while 2K HDR requires 8Mbps............


http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.ph...ction=showfull


To experience a HDR picture you need a TV with a much higher light output than a conventional screen, and the TV needs to be capable of controlling the higher light output in isolated areas. You will either need a LCD TV with LED zones (local dimming) that can control light output in a few hundred areas, or an OLED TV that can control it in every single pixel. Neil Hunt expects HDR 4K content to come in at around 18 Mb/s in bitrate (with HEVC), compared to 15.6 Mb/s for 4K. HDR in Full HD should be possible at below 10 Mb/s, but Netflix has not decided whether it wants to offer it in HD yet.

There are currently two HDR standards, namely Dolby Vision and the other standard that the UHD Alliance is defining. The difference is that Dolby Vision aims for around 4000 cd/m2 in the brightest areas and the other standard aims for around 1,000-1,500 cd/m2. Dolby Vision is therefore more expensive to implement in TVs, but Netflix assures us that it will support both standards - at least initially. FlatpanelsHD separately confirmed that LG, Samsung and Sony will support Netflix’s HDR streaming. The rest did not want to go on record yet.
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Ok awesome info seems pretty clear the SUHD sets are HDR capable. These TV's really seem to hit all the known up coming standards and to me seem like a safe buy if you want to be able to play any upcoming material for the next several years.
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Ok here is my chat with Samsung take with a grain of salt. We will probably have to wait for hands on confirmation. Anyone know if the 9000 series has confirmed HDR? Besides being curved it looks like it has the same Panel spec's
According to the hdtvtest review the 9000 does HDR.
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According to the hdtvtest review the 9000 does HDR.

Yea it's looking like this TV will do HDR fine given the new evidence
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there are a couple out there right now that are hdmi 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 and should work with 4k blu ray players, but for the most part avrs havent switched out yet, but when new models come out this year they should have the new specs.

check this bad boy out, it says in the specs that it is the first to have both specs.

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To bad Onkyo HDMI boards are known to go bad. Had two Onkyo Pre-Pro's go bad this way. Google it. There is a fix, you have to bake the HDMI board in the oven at 135 degree's. LOL, Seriously
thats why i always buy warranties when i got my sony avr, my buddy that worked at the store was able to get me the full warranty for 4 years for only 20 bux, usually around 175 he said.

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What I'm worried about is the one connect mini. I don't see a connection for coax.

youtube dot com/watch?v=Ip1KHVoV9QQ
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What I'm worried about is the one connect mini. I don't see a connection for coax.

youtube dot com/watch?v=Ip1KHVoV9QQ
your right. i just relooked at some pictures a 7100 posted of his OCB mini, no coax. so it must be on the back of the tv instead.

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Why don't TV's have an HDMI out for audio? That way you could directly connect any HDMI IN video signal 4K or otherwise and the TV could just pass the audio to the receiver through it's HDMI out port? That way you would not have to switch your AV recevier around to adhere to new video standard and you'd have a cleanr more direct connection to your TV by directly connecting the video to your TV?
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To bad Onkyo HDMI boards are known to go bad. Had two Onkyo Pre-Pro's go bad this way. Google it. There is a fix, you have to bake the HDMI board in the oven at 135 degree's. LOL, Seriously
And the HDMI 2.0 is limited to 10.2 gbps, not the full 18 gbps as one might assume. I've been reading conflicting reports as to whether this will matter for anything other than 4K 3D blu ray, but it is something to keep in mind.


On a side note, does anyone know what the differences are between the JS850D vs JS8500 (both sets listed on Samsung's official site)?
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And the HDMI 2.0 is limited to 10.2 gbps, not the full 18 gbps as one might assume. I've been reading conflicting reports as to whether this will matter for anything other than 4K 3D blu ray, but it is something to keep in mind.


On a side note, does anyone know what the differences are between the JS850D vs JS8500 (both sets listed on Samsung's official site)?
Looking at both spec sheets, the JS850D has Active 3D:

3D EXPERIENCE WITH ACTIVE GLASSES
Watch the action jump off the screen in full HD 1080p
– in 3D modes – with active shutter glasses.
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Looking at both spec sheets, the JS850D has Active 3D:

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Cool. Thanks for that info. I wonder how much the price difference will be on these 2 models. I'm leaning toward going with the JS8500 as my first 4k purchase.
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keep in mind, there COULD be more models that come out in the summer that we dont yet know about. last year the HU8700 came out i believe in the middle of the summer. could samsung do something like that again this year? maybe!
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keep in mind, there COULD be more models that come out in the summer that we dont yet know about. last year the HU8700 came out i believe in the middle of the summer. could samsung do something like that again this year? maybe!
Looks like there will be a 9100, guessing that's a flat screen version of the 9500.
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Looks like there will be a 9100, guessing that's a flat screen version of the 9500.
I forgot about that. The 9100 is supposed to be a 78 inch js9000 but with no 3d. So it'll be curved I believe.
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I forgot about that. The 9100 is supposed to be a 78 inch js9000 but with no 3d. So it'll be curved I believe.
I'd like to see a 65" flat screen without 3D with all other specs of the JS8500 as an option. If I could save some cash by not having it 3D, that would be ideal for me, personally, because I have no intention of watching 3D content.
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Fry's in Woodland Hills has the 65" on display.

I took a few pictures for ya'll.

Tizen feels snappy. The one connect mini is super light. The stand seems really unstable compared to my Vizio p70.


In my opinion, not really feeling the color of the bezel, it reminded me to much of the 9000 series. I wish Samsung would have went with a darker finish like the HU version. The inner glow shadow that is inside of the bezel (see attached) seemed more obvious than what I saw on the HU series. Not sure why they do that maybe to create contrast? Probably not visible from a normal seating distance anyways.

The one connect mini is super light.

Can't wait to hear the reviews on the input lag. If it is equal or better(under 20ms) than my Vizio P70 I will definitely get one.
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Fry's in Woodland Hills has the 65" on display.

I took a few pictures for ya'll.

Tizen feels snappy. The one connect mini is super light. The stand seems really unstable compared to my Vizio p70.


In my opinion, not really feeling the color of the bezel, it reminded me to much of the 9000 series. I wish Samsung would have went with a darker finish like the HU version. The inner glow shadow that is inside of the bezel (see attached) seemed more obvious than what I saw on the HU series. Not sure why they do that maybe to create contrast? Probably not visible from a normal seating distance anyways.

The one connect mini is super light.

Can't wait to hear the reviews on the input lag. If it is equal or better(under 20ms) than my Vizio P70 I will definitely get one.
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That green on the left side halfway down looks way over saturated. I wonder what the settings looked like. That's always been one of my complaints with recent Samsungs, reds and greens look unrealistic. But I haven't had one in my home to see what it looks like out of torch mode.
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Fry's in Woodland Hills has the 65" on display.

I took a few pictures for ya'll.

Tizen feels snappy. The one connect mini is super light. The stand seems really unstable compared to my Vizio p70.


In my opinion, not really feeling the color of the bezel, it reminded me to much of the 9000 series. I wish Samsung would have went with a darker finish like the HU version. The inner glow shadow that is inside of the bezel (see attached) seemed more obvious than what I saw on the HU series. Not sure why they do that maybe to create contrast? Probably not visible from a normal seating distance anyways.

The one connect mini is super light.

Can't wait to hear the reviews on the input lag. If it is equal or better(under 20ms) than my Vizio P70 I will definitely get one.
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I agree I don't like the silver. Last year's 9000 has an all silver bezel but they put black on the front so when u watch it all u see is the black part.
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Fry's in Woodland Hills has the 65" on display.

I took a few pictures for ya'll.

Tizen feels snappy. The one connect mini is super light. The stand seems really unstable compared to my Vizio p70.


In my opinion, not really feeling the color of the bezel, it reminded me to much of the 9000 series. I wish Samsung would have went with a darker finish like the HU version. The inner glow shadow that is inside of the bezel (see attached) seemed more obvious than what I saw on the HU series. Not sure why they do that maybe to create contrast? Probably not visible from a normal seating distance anyways.

The one connect mini is super light.

Can't wait to hear the reviews on the input lag. If it is equal or better(under 20ms) than my Vizio P70 I will definitely get one.
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Thanks for the info, good to see they are starting to trickle out in stores, it should not be to much longer where we have hands on from actual owners.

I saw a 55 inch JS9000 at Bestbuy today and liked the PQ from the 4K demo loop being played. The 8500 should looked pretty similar as the only real difference should be curved VS Flat.

Seeing the JS9000 though confirmed for me that I hate curved TV's though can't beleive anyone would think a curve would be effective in any screen under 6ft or so. For regular TV's it is really a horrible gimmick with no real benefits.
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Thanks for the info, good to see they are starting to trickle out in stores, it should not be to much longer where we have hands on from actual owners.

I saw a 55 inch JS9000 at Bestbuy today and liked the PQ from the 4K demo loop being played. The 8500 should looked pretty similar as the only real difference should be curved VS Flat.

Seeing the JS9000 though confirmed for me that I hate curved TV's though can't beleive anyone would think a curve would be effective in any screen under 6ft or so. For regular TV's it is really a horrible gimmick with no real benefits.
I purchased a JS9000 and the curve does help a little to hide the horrible off axis picture lol


I also might use it as a computer screen here an there so the curve should help with that. I would also think it would be good for first person perspective views used in video games, etc. Can't really say if it helps with back lighting, etc.
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Fry's in Woodland Hills has the 65" on display.

I took a few pictures for ya'll.

Tizen feels snappy. The one connect mini is super light. The stand seems really unstable compared to my Vizio p70.

The one connect mini is super light.

Can't wait to hear the reviews on the input lag. If it is equal or better(under 20ms) than my Vizio P70 I will definitely get one.
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Leo Bodnar Test on the JS9500 = 21ms in game mode which is quite an improvement for Samsung LCD TV. Here's a Input Lag Test Data Base.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag

Someone also mentioned a lack of a coax on the OCB but perhaps Samsung may be including an adaptor for some of the dated interfaces as they did so with my two yr old Samsung. Of course there's no way to know these things until we have Owners.

I cross compared the JS9000 with the Sony 950B (the Sony elevated above the Samsung with the JS in the sweet spot) and with BD 1080P material "Meleficent" the Sony won but when they put on what I believe to be an HDR treatment of "Life of Pi" the Samsung then had a slight edge in depth. For the future as HDR grows from it's current infancy the Samsung likely will prove to be more future proof as content gets treated. But with current BD the Sony easily bested the Samsung in every respect for that 20 minutes of Maleficent. However there was no JS9500 to compare.
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And the HDMI 2.0 is limited to 10.2 gbps, not the full 18 gbps as one might assume. I've been reading conflicting reports as to whether this will matter for anything other than 4K 3D blu ray, but it is something to keep in mind.


On a side note, does anyone know what the differences are between the JS850D vs JS8500 (both sets listed on Samsung's official site)?
I didn't dig too hard on the samsung site but did show that the 850D has a different color option?
STAND TYPE (COLOR) ; 8500: Slim T-Shape (Brushed Silver) 850D; Slim T-Shape (Matt Dark Silver/Black)
Perhaps the D is just a color code deviation.

I'm also on the edge on pre-ordering this while samsung still shows the $1k off "retail" price on their site. From what I can tell they will market these $1k off for a few weeks just before they ship to hook folks then post ship they will price back to "standard retail" prices.

Tempting..
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Leo Bodnar Test on the JS9500 = 21ms in game mode which is quite an improvement for Samsung LCD TV. Here's a Input Lag Test Data Base.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag
That is great news thanks!
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