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How does the JS8500 compare to the upcoming 2015 Sony X900C? In terms of colors/blacks, picture quality?
Lonnie, i believe the 900c is an IPS panel, meaning it will have great viewing angles, but below average/average blacks at best. the black level of the js8500 will blow away any IPS panel. picture processing will be a little bit better on the 900c, but the better contrast/blacks should make up for that. i expect colors to be the relatively the same on both since the SUHD now uses quantum dots to match sonys triluminous. so the question is what matters most, contrast/blacks or viewing angles?

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Nice, got anyway to measure gaming input lag?
the JS9000/JS9500 is measuring 22, while the JU7100 measured 26, so the JS8500 will be somewhere between those with game mode turned on.

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congrats! u are the 1st js8500 owner! looks AWESOME!! blacks look extremely inky even though its daylight. what is your prior history so that you have some comparisons to share?
Thanks! Can't say what my prior history was, as my previous set is at my parent's place and I'm unable to get the model number at the moment. It was a 2013 model Samsung LED TV, and I have to say that this TV blows it out of the water. Watching Interstellar at the moment and the black levels and upscaling are breathtaking.
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Thanks! Can't say what my prior history was, as my previous set is at my parent's place and I'm unable to get the model number at the moment. It was a 2013 model Samsung LED TV, and I have to say that this TV blows it out of the water. Watching Interstellar at the moment and the black levels and upscaling are breathtaking.

I also came from a 2013 samsung, I had the f7100, only the f8000 was a better 1080p tv from Samsung that year, and all my 4k tvs I tried out were much better than the f7100. Are u watching the blu ray for interstellar or the 4k ultraflix version? Grab pictures of your dark scenes!!!
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Daaz, any input for those deciding between the 48 and 55-inch models?
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I also came from a 2013 samsung, I had the f7100, only the f8000 was a better 1080p tv from Samsung that year, and all my 4k tvs I tried out were much better than the f7100. Are u watching the blu ray for interstellar or the 4k ultraflix version? Grab pictures of your dark scenes!!!
It's a bluray. Here are some photos.

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Daaz, any input for those deciding between the 48 and 55-inch models?
Can't really say. I have a 55 and I feel like it's a bit small for the space. The quality should be the same and the space you're planning on buying it for is more relevant than my personal opinion between the two. I'm a happy camper though. Money well spent.
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Consider me officially jealous! What a great looking set...and so thin. Of couse, I'll be going from a rear-projection set to this one...hopefully this fall. Thanks for the photos.
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Does the js8500 have a cinema black option in the picture settings?

Btw your pictures look spectacular. I ordered interstellar blu ray also should be here soon!
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looks nice! how would you say the colors compare to the Sony 900 series?
No clue, I don't have any experience with Sony sets.

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Nice, got anyway to measure gaming input lag?
No, other than personal experiences with gaming input lag. I'll test it out tomorrow. I consider myself a pretty serious gamer so I'll know if it's significant enough to be a hinderance.
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Does the js8500 have a cinema black option in the picture settings?

Btw your pictures look spectacular. I ordered interstellar blu ray also should be here soon!
Yeah it has a cinema black option. I had it on for both sets of images.
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Yeah it has a cinema black option. I had it on for both sets of images.
Good info. Previously only the 9000 had cinema black.
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It's a bluray. Here are some photos.

Are you planning to get the tv calibrated? I dont know if is the camera but it looks like blacks are too low.there is a road in the middle.if the blacks are too low you can lost details.again I'm not sure if is just the camera . you can get the best of the tv with calibration this will made a huge difference. the details on the attached pic below is what I don't see, can you see that on that scene in your home?

if you can see the road and street just replace the picture with one that can capture the road and street.
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Here are the above pictures to show the "black" levels. First one exposure brought slightly up to showcase the excellent clouding and "black" levels. Last two the color was removed so you can see them better. Samsung really did great job. I thought last years models didn't have enough flash lighting/clouding, now they seem to have added just the right amount. Ah yes, SUHD!
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Just for fun, here are the same scenes on a Panasonic S60. The words are not blurry. Pictures were taken with an iphone and it had trouble focusing on the bright letters compares to the black background. This was streaming in SD btw, not a blu-ray.
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Wow awesome pics, this set looks great. I really think this particular model is going to be the best Bang for the buck of the year, it's got almost all the features of the higher 9500 line (excluding FALD AND FULL SIZE CONNECT BOX) but is priced at a reasonable level for normal people..
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Are you planning to get the tv calibrated? I dont know if is the camera but it looks like blacks are too low.there is a road in the middle.if the blacks are too low you can lost details.again I'm not sure if is just the camera . you can get the best of the tv with calibration this will made a huge difference. the details on the attached pic below is what I don't see, can you see that on that scene in your home?

if you can see the road and street just replace the picture with one that can capture the road and street.
I'd like to calibrate it, but I don't really have experience calibrating a set by myself. As for the road, I think I recall seeing it on the screen. I'd like to double check now, but I can't seem to figure out where in the movie that shot was.
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I'd like to calibrate it, but I don't really have experience calibrating a set by myself. As for the road, I think I recall seeing it on the screen. I'd like to double check now, but I can't seem to figure out where in the movie that shot was.
How's off axis viewing past 20 degress? Does the picture start to degrade a lot from the sides like most Samsungs?
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How's off axis viewing past 20 degress? Does the picture start to degrade a lot from the sides like most Samsungs?
It's not great, but it's not terrible. Better than my previous experiences with Samsung sets. I wouldn't want to watch something at that angle though. This is the only shot I can manage at the moment with the glare. I'll try again later at night.

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Waiting to hear what you think about 3d. I was hoping my next set would be passive but that is limited in the 4k sets.
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Apologies for the influx of images coming. Got the set today. It really is a work of art. I still need to tinker with settings (if someone knows of good calibration settings they would be greatly appreciated), but I took some shots. The blacks are pretty deep and colors are nice and vibrant. I'm about to watch Interstellar on it, but if someone has some requests of what photos I should take then I'll gladly do so.


Is the bezel silver or black? It's hard to tell with the lighting
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Just for fun, here are the same scenes on a Panasonic S60. The words are not blurry. Pictures were taken with an iphone and it had trouble focusing on the bright letters compares to the black background. This was streaming in SD btw, not a blu-ray.
There is some serious blooming on that Panny, LOL. Seriously, thanks for reminding pics can come out different every time and that I should trust my own eyes. I still like seeing pics though. It makes me see things like how I dislike the silver bezel on the js9500 because it reflects light.
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Is the bezel silver or black? It's hard to tell with the lighting
It's a silver bezel.

Just played some video games on it. Lag is pretty good with game mode on. With game mode off it's terrible as expected. I was playing Super Smash Brothers which requires a lot of quick reactive button presses and it held up well.
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How does the JS8500 compare to the upcoming 2015 Sony X900C? In terms of colors/blacks, picture quality?
Lonnie1892, I'd like to chime in here, if I may.

First of all, at least as far as I'm aware the Sony 900c hasn't been released to the public yet, so a comparison to the JS8500 isn't possible right now. I may be wrong on that, though, and my information may be out of date. However, there's something else I'd like to make you aware of.

I recently decided to go the budget route for my first 4k TV and bought the Sony 850b for $2,300 USD. The TV performed well enough right up until I used the passive-shutter 3D, and then it flopped. The 3D was extremely bad, with soft imaging, ghosting and a warbling effect during fast-motion scenes. A check on the internet revealed a mass of similar complaints. So I called Sony tech and was told that this is a hardware issue that cannot be fixed, and if I wanted to keep the TV I would have to accept the defect, or swap it for another model and hope for the best, or just get a refund.

The TV goes back to Best Buy tomorrow. I am done with Sony. Yes, Sony might have given me a better model, but I'm getting the uncomfortable feeling that the company isn't really giving its best efforts anymore with TV development. Whether the Samsung SUHD series of models will be as good as, or better than, the forthcoming 900c I can't say, but it sure looks like Samsung is pulling out the stops to make the best 4k LED models it can. I honestly don't think I can say that about Sony anymore.
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There is some serious blooming on that Panny, LOL. Seriously, thanks for reminding pics can come out different every time and that I should trust my own eyes. I still like seeing pics though. It makes me see things like how I dislike the silver bezel on the js9500 because it reflects light.

It's funny how random his posts are trying to pump up plasmas in a completely unrelated thread. It would be like posting CRT screens randomly in a plasma thread.


Hey guys I see this is a thread for a Samsung 4k lcd, let me post some screens from my 720p 27 inch CRT.


No one in here is claiming we are going to get plasma or OLED blacks so I'm wondering why he is posting these?


Tis looks to be a very good TV that is capable of some decent longevity given it's specs and is at a good price.
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There is some serious blooming on that Panny, LOL. Seriously, thanks for reminding pics can come out different every time and that I should trust my own eyes. I still like seeing pics though. It makes me see things like how I dislike the silver bezel on the js9500 because it reflects light.
There is actually zero blooming. The contrast between the black and white causes the white to blow out on the camera.

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It's a silver bezel.

Just played some video games on it. Lag is pretty good with game mode on. With game mode off it's terrible as expected. I was playing Super Smash Brothers which requires a lot of quick reactive button presses and it held up well.


Do you think their is a possible good compromise in settings between lag and PQ? My console is an Xbox One and I use it for gaming, Cable TV throughput and some video watching. I would not want to switch settings going from playing game to watching cable since they would all go through the same input.
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There is actually zero blooming. The contras between the black and white causes the white to blow out on the camera.
So why did you post screens from a 1080P plasma in a thread about a 4K LCD?
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It's funny how random his posts are trying to pump up plasmas in a completely unrelated thread. It would be like posting CRT screens randomly in a plasma thread.


Hey guys I see this is a thread for a Samsung 4k lcd, let me post some screens from my 720p 27 inch CRT.


No one in here is claiming we are going to get plasma or OLED blacks so I'm wondering why he is posting these?


Tis looks to be a very good TV that is capable of some decent longevity given it's specs and is at a good price.
Swanlee, I am not trying to "pump up" plasmas. I want to upgrade, I am tired of plasma. I want something new. Plasma uses a ton of power, gets hot, has a slight buzz, etc. But, there are no upgrades currently. These SUHD sets are junk. For the price that Samsung is trying to pass these off at they shouldn't have terrible clouding, flash lighting, bad viewing angles, poor contrast. Why are people actually interested in these? How are people content with all the screen defects (banding, clouding, flash lighting, screen blotches)? Yes I understand they are loaded with features, but what ever happened to decent picture quality? People are buying into these LCD sets and its just feeding the endless cycle.
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Swanlee, I am not trying to "pump up" plasmas. I want to upgrade, I am tired of plasma. I want something new. Plasma uses a ton of power, gets hot, has a slight buzz, etc. But, there are no upgrades currently. These SUHD sets are junk. For the price that Samsung is trying to pass these off at they shouldn't have terrible clouding, flash lighting, bad viewing angles, poor contrast. Why are people actually interested in these? How are people content with all the screen defects (banding, clouding, flash lighting, screen blotches)? Yes I understand they are loaded with features, but what ever happened to decent picture quality? People are buying into these LCD sets and its just feeding the endless cycle.
Great you think they are junk, please move on then.
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