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swanlee 03-23-2015 02:16 PM

Samsung JS8500 Discussion Thread
 
Didn't see one yet so I'd like to start one for the JS8500 series. These are supposed to be shipping soon.


Sizes 65inch, 55inch, 48inch


Right now the Samsung site is a little off as the 65 and 55 inch version are listed at $3999, the 55 inch should hit retail at $2999 that was the price last week.


This series is the least expensive flat SUHD's that offer nano crystal feature (Quantum Dots)


They use mini connect, have quad core cpu's and should have HDR, HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2/18GBPS ports.


http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN55JS8500FXZA

Cleveland Plasma 03-23-2015 03:33 PM

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They will be coming out pretty quick. I will note that a person looking into the UN55JS8500, should take a hard look at the cheaper LG 55EC9300......

neekos 03-23-2015 04:05 PM

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Hi. I'm assuming you mean the OLED picture is going to rival the Sammy JS8500, because we are talking apples and oranges when one is 1080p (not future proof) and the other 4K with HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 ?

WS65711 03-23-2015 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by neekos (Post 32871185)
Hi. I'm assuming you mean the OLED picture is going to rival the Sammy JS8500, because we are talking apples and oranges when one is 1080p (not future proof) and the other 4K with HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 ?

Nothing is future proof.

metzy25 03-23-2015 04:23 PM

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What's the differences between the js8500 and js9000? Besides the curve.

neekos 03-23-2015 04:25 PM

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Nothing is future proof.

You're right..."Future/currently ready" :cool:

swanlee 03-23-2015 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma (Post 32870289)
They will be coming out pretty quick. I will note that a person looking into the UN55JS8500, should take a hard look at the cheaper LG 55EC9300......



Why would I want to buy a 1080P panel in 2015? I'd love the 4K LG OLED but the 55 inch is going to be $5K and may not hit till the fall.


My next TV is going to need to last me 4-5 years. No 1080P panel is going to do that for me apples and oranges at this point.


Also the samung 4K hard drive pack is pretty appealing, lots of high bandwidth 4K content I can view without eating up my comcast internet bandwidth cap. I see them on ebay for under $200.

swanlee 03-23-2015 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WS65711 (Post 32871577)
Nothing is future proof.

Yep but buying a 1080P panel is pretty much obsolete right now on the store shelf. A 4k HDR ready HDTV with one connect upgradeability is certainly going to be alot more future proof than any 1080P panel

swanlee 03-23-2015 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by metzy25 (Post 32871625)
What's the differences between the js8500 and js9000? Besides the curve.

JS9000 is curved, has an 8 core cpu and can use the full size one connect box so it can get more future cpu/rendering features. One connect mini of the JS8500 can have it ports updated only.

neekos 03-23-2015 06:03 PM

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Yep but buying a 1080P panel is pretty much obsolete right now on the store shelf. A 4k HDR ready HDTV with one connect upgradeability is certainly going to be alot more future proof than any 1080P panel


exactly
:smile:

WS65711 03-23-2015 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by swanlee (Post 32872553)
Yep but buying a 1080P panel is pretty much obsolete right now on the store shelf. A 4k HDR ready HDTV with one connect upgradeability is certainly going to be alot more future proof than any 1080P panel

That's similar to my thought in 2002 when I paid over $6000 for a TV that had "Promise Module" upgradeability. It was touted as "future proof". Yeah, right.. until DVI/HDMI came out 18 months later . . .
Be happy with whatever you buy TODAY. The future is ALWAYS uncertain.

swanlee 03-23-2015 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WS65711 (Post 32874793)
That's similar to my thought in 2002 when I paid over $6000 for a TV that had "Promise Module" upgradeability. It was touted as "future proof". Yeah, right.. until DVI/HDMI came out 18 months later . . .
Be happy with whatever you buy TODAY. The future is ALWAYS uncertain.



Yes but this TV is 4K and then current one connect mini has HDMI 2.0/HDCP2.2/18GBPS and the panel is HDR capable. That is about as good as your going to get as far as being future proof for the next 4-5 years. And if something comes up at least it has the capability of upgrades while other TV's have zero chance of port upgrades.


This set is also alot more reasonably priced the say the new OLED'S and it has up to date ports with a modern good looking 10 bit panel and is within a reasonable price. These factors currently make this the top tv on my list of potential upgrades.

Cleveland Plasma 03-23-2015 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by neekos (Post 32871185)
Hi. I'm assuming you mean the OLED picture is going to rival the Sammy JS8500, because we are talking apples and oranges when one is 1080p (not future proof) and the other 4K with HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 ?

As I noted, go sets your eyes on a 1080P OLED, then look at a 4K set. There is a clear winner.

PeninsulaMark 03-23-2015 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma (Post 32877401)
As I noted, go sets your eyes on a 1080P OLED, then look at a 4K set. There is a clear winner.

A local store claims they will get the 55" and 65" JS8500 in two weeks, retailing at $3,000 and $5,000 respectively. Quite pricey and cannot bargain on the price. A 50" and 60" will not be available soon.

A 50" 8550 is under $1500.

How much better is the JS8500 ?

daaz 03-23-2015 09:12 PM

Long time lurker here, decided to finally register an account as I bought a 55JS8500 last week. It was scheduled to be in stock on the 19th, with a delivery date of today, but the store I bought it from still has yet to receive their units. Was told a date of April 1st.

As for how much I paid, I got 10% off the price of $3,000. However, since I bought it locally it ended up being similar to original price after taxes. Still a good deal in my opinion.

I'd definitely go with the JS8500 over the 8550 simply because of the 10 bit panel, HDR, and quantum dots. That was what I took away from my research. Although upgrades to the 8550 are supposed to significantly improve the set. It really comes down to if you want to wait or not.

bpmurr 03-23-2015 09:58 PM

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They will be coming out pretty quick. I will note that a person looking into the UN55JS8500, should take a hard look at the cheaper LG 55EC9300......

I'm taking a hard look at both!

PeninsulaMark 03-23-2015 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by daaz (Post 32879057)
Long time lurker here, decided to finally register an account as I bought a 55JS8500 last week. It was scheduled to be in stock on the 19th, with a delivery date of today, but the store I bought it from still has yet to receive their units. Was told a date of April 1st.

As for how much I paid, I got 10% off the price of $3,000. However, since I bought it locally it ended up being similar to original price after taxes. Still a good deal in my opinion.

I'd definitely go with the JS8500 over the 8550 simply because of the 10 bit panel, HDR, and quantum dots. That was what I took away from my research. Although upgrades to the 8550 are supposed to significantly improve the set. It really comes down to if you want to wait or not.

Thanks. Was the 8500 picture and/or sound better than on the 8550 ? Specs aren't everything. What is the panel code on your set ? Why did you get 10% off ? Why do you think the 8550 is worth the money ? In which State are you ?

Ken Ross 03-24-2015 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma (Post 32877401)
As I noted, go sets your eyes on a 1080P OLED, then look at a 4K set. There is a clear winner.

Unless that 4K set is also an OLED. ;)

swanlee 03-24-2015 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma (Post 32877401)
As I noted, go sets your eyes on a 1080P OLED, then look at a 4K set. There is a clear winner.


I'm sorry I'm not trying to be rude but recommending a 1080P TV in a thread about a new 4K HDTV with up to date ports/HDR is pretty off topic.

I wouldn't go into a thread about a certain type of Digital Network Audio player and start telling people they should be buying this great Tone Arm Record player.

As others have said this is Apples and Oranges and alot of people feel buying a 1080P HDTV in 2015 is a waste of money.

You are missing out on 4K resolution, HDR, HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2, 18GBPS ports. The TV may look great but it is already obsolete sitting on the store shelf and will not be able to play future 4K formats in native resolution or at all.

Alot of people see buying a TV as an investment and need to get several years of use out of the TV to justify the cost and buying a 1080P HDTV in 2015 to me seems like a complete waste of money regardless of the quality of the 1080P panel.

swanlee 03-24-2015 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by daaz (Post 32879057)
Long time lurker here, decided to finally register an account as I bought a 55JS8500 last week. It was scheduled to be in stock on the 19th, with a delivery date of today, but the store I bought it from still has yet to receive their units. Was told a date of April 1st.

As for how much I paid, I got 10% off the price of $3,000. However, since I bought it locally it ended up being similar to original price after taxes. Still a good deal in my opinion.

I'd definitely go with the JS8500 over the 8550 simply because of the 10 bit panel, HDR, and quantum dots. That was what I took away from my research. Although upgrades to the 8550 are supposed to significantly improve the set. It really comes down to if you want to wait or not.

Awesome glad you got a retail price below the $3K pricing, It's odd the Samsung site had it at $3K last week and now it is $3999.

I hope the retail price stays at $3K and goes down by the fall.

eric3316 03-24-2015 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by swanlee (Post 32884113)
I'm sorry I'm not trying to be rude but recommending a 1080P TV in a thread about a new 4K HDTV with up to date ports/HDR is pretty off topic.

I wouldn't go into a thread about a certain type of Digital Network Audio player and start telling people they should be buying this great Tone Arm Record player.

As others have said this is Apples and Oranges and alot of people feel buying a 1080P HDTV in 2015 is a waste of money.

You are missing out on 4K resolution, HDR, HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2, 18GBPS ports. The TV may look great but it is already obsolete sitting on the store shelf and will not be able to play future 4K formats in native resolution or at all.

Alot of people see buying a TV as an investment and need to get several years of use out of the TV to justify the cost and buying a 1080P HDTV in 2015 to me seems like a complete waste of money regardless of the quality of the 1080P panel.

If they started making 42" 8K TV's for $3,000 would that mean all 4K TV would then be considered obsolete and would you choose that over a 55" 4K TV just because of resolution?

swanlee 03-24-2015 06:08 AM

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It is really laughable when people claim 1080p is obsolete. 1080p has not even reached it's true potential yet. Manufactures are pushing for 4K because they want to sell you something new, what we can watch still cannot deliver full 1080p blu ray quality unless you are watching an actual blu ray! To me obsolete means the tech has reached it full potential and there is no where else it can go. 1080p still has a long way to go still.

4K TV's can be looked at as more absolute today then 1080p because you can't do much with them based on resolution alone and when you can do something with it there are still many factors involved that can still make a 4K TV inferior to a 1080p TV of the same caliber.

What does 1080P have to do with this particular Model of TV? Their are a number of other general threads to talk about the validity of 1080P VS 4K.

This thread is about one particular line of 4K HDTV's that are coming out in the next few weeks that does not currently have a dedicated thread for it.

I will kindly ask to keep 1080P VS 4K out of this thread as it is completely off topic and their are other more appropriate area's to talk about that.

eric3316 03-24-2015 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by swanlee (Post 32884425)
What does 1080P have to do with this particular Model of TV? Their are a number of other general threads to talk about the validity of 1080P VS 4K.

This thread is about one particular line of 4K HDTV's that are coming out in the next few weeks that does not currently have a dedicated thread for it.

I will kindly ask to keep 1080P VS 4K out of this thread as it is completely off topic and their are other more appropriate area's to talk about that.

Well, I came in here to see what people had to say about this TV. Then saw the the 55" is selling for $3,000 which had me say WOW, why. Then saw people saying saying 1080p is obsolete which could not be further from the truth. 1080p being considered obsolete by some who don't truly don't understand PQ of TV is not a reason to go out and spend $3,000 on a 55" TV so I want to see what justifies this price tag. Tech on paper is much different then what it actually delivers in your home.

teachsac 03-24-2015 06:28 AM

Please get back on the topic of the JS8500.


Thank you.

WS65711 03-24-2015 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by swanlee (Post 32884425)
..... I will kindly ask to keep 1080P VS 4K out of this thread as it is completely off topic and their are other more appropriate area's to talk about that.

I think the problem is that this is an "owners" thread, and there are no owners. So this thread will inevitably go in other directions. Maybe the thread was started too soon? Normally someone may start an "anticipation" thread, and then later start an owners thread when they take delivery.

swanlee 03-24-2015 06:35 AM

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Thank you mods for stepping in. I'm certainly excited that we have a potential drop date of April 1st from Daaz.

Anyone else able to see these in stores yet?

swanlee 03-24-2015 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by WS65711 (Post 32884793)
I think the problem is that this is an "owners" thread, and there are no owners. So this thread will inevitably go in other directions. Maybe the thread was started too soon? Normally someone may start an "anticipation" thread, and then later start an owners thread when they take delivery.


Well the TV's are going to ship very soon and some may be getting them within the next week as someone stated earlier in the thread. Also their was no other thread for this particular HDTV line.

swanlee 03-24-2015 08:06 AM

Looking online I'm seeing this priced as low as $2700 whihc is a good sign that the real retail is going to be $2999 regardless of what Samsung site says.

Here is a basic tech/spec comparison against the 9500

http://www.uhdvs.com/samsung-un55js8...uf9500-review/

daaz 03-24-2015 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PeninsulaMark (Post 32880161)
Thanks. Was the 8500 picture and/or sound better than on the 8550 ? Specs aren't everything. What is the panel code on your set ? Why did you get 10% off ? Why do you think the 8550 is worth the money ? In which State are you ?

They only had the JS9000 on display, and that looked much better than the 855 so I based my purchase off that. I don't actually have the set yet, and the vendor didn't have it in stock so I can't tell you what the panel code is. They just gave me 10% off for no real reason, other than giving me a good price. It's a fairly large store so they can afford to do so. However, the salesman couldn't take 10% off the tv directly and had to give me an instant gift card savings equivalent to $300. I'm assuming you meant to ask why I think the 8500 is worth the money? My reasoning is that this is Samsung's flagship and thus it has HDR and quantum dots which lesser sets and even the 8550 with an upgrade won't end up having. I'm in Chicago, which should tell you what vendor I bought it from if you are familiar with the area.

player002 03-24-2015 08:26 AM

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As I noted, go sets your eyes on a 1080P OLED, then look at a 4K set. There is a clear winner.

I respectfully disagree. Oled has endless blacks but unfortunately once you see 4k resolution it's very hard to go back.I have seen the new LG Oled and although blks are best I have ever seen I see bunch of pixels and jaggies the resolution looks prehistoric to me. The HDR also puts this set ahead of Oled 1080p model quantum dots bring blk levels closer(due to ability to shut out more light). Now this story can change once 4k Oled is out but not on 1080p panel blks alone don't make it win res difference is too much to overcome IMO. JS8500 55 for 3000 is great value for set also prices will drop around BLK Friday so who knows maybe 2 grand sometime in the year.Oled 1080p is same price :eek: 4k oled 55 will be 5 grand and have no HDR so infinite blk level but less colours, brightness hopefully the can overcome this cause I love the blks a Oled provides. Going to be interesting year in TV tech to say the least.


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