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IF you're popping in a blu-ray and the blacks looked washed out around the edges, welcome to my world and apparently is just a limitation of the technology of this television.
and that's why you should always buy a set from a place with good return / exchange policy and test it's performance within the return window. once you escalate your issues to Samsung, and to quote my avatar, "You will lose."
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Actually, the M-Series is a FALD television. And I believe, for an edge-lit set, the JS8500 has many more zones then most edge-lit televisions doesn't it?
From the reviews I've read it comes up short in number of zones compared to the competition.
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Numerous times I've seen scenes in high quality Blu Rays that have blacks on one side of the screen and bright whites on the other side of the screen where the blacks are very obviously not dimmed.
then your TV is defective. and yes, i don't remember any posts about blue glow or gray uniformity (which 8500 clearly excels at).
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Well I'll see what I think of it tomorrow. I wonder if this Comcast signal is contributing to the washed out blacks or if it's something else.
Is your Comcast box set to RGB or Ycbcr 4:4:4? If it's RGB and you don't have HDMI black level set correctly on your tv that would be the cause. Best to stick with ycbcr in any case.
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then your TV is defective. and yes, i don't remember any posts about blue glow or gray uniformity (which 8500 clearly excels at).
Well I'll just have to find some and quote them when I get home because they are there.
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From the reviews I've read it comes up short in number of zones compared to the competition.
which competition would be that considering there are very few sets on the market with actual dimming zones and most of them are more expensive than 8500?
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I believe Standard gives better black level performance (such as it is) then Movie mode does. That's been my experience personally.
Same for me.

I prefer the movie mode for overall picture, but the dimming works best on standard mode.
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Is your Comcast box set to RGB or Ycbcr 4:4:4? If it's RGB and you don't have HDMI black level set correctly on your tv that would be the cause. Best to stick with ycbcr in any case.
Yes it's set to 4:4:4. The black level in the picture settings is greyed out so I don't know if that could be affecting the blacks.
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which competition would be that considering there are very few sets on the market with actual dimming zones and most of them are more expensive than 8500?
I guess they were referring to the FALD sets, which, to be fair could be considered the competition, especially considering the price of the Vizio M series.
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I guess they were referring to the FALD sets, which, to be fair could be considered the competition, especially considering the price of the Vizio M series.
There are trade-offs with the Vizio M series for sure. Though they aren't really considered competition IMO. The M-Series is a more budget minded TV then the JS8500 which is a more premium product, which is why I'm so disappointed. That aside, FALD will often render better black levels, as has been my experience with the JS8500 vs the M-Series. However, the JS8500 color, picture quality, upscaling, etc are anywhere from better, to dramatically better then on the M-Series. Unfortunately the rich velvety blacks contribute so much to the picture quality, it's hard to ascertain whether the trade-offs are actually worth it.
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Samsung JU7100 series

I've had the 7100 series 85" for several months now. I deliver content to it via 1. Direct TV 2. OPPO DVD 3 Streaming media All piped through a DENON AVR-5200 - Connection is made with a 50" HDMI cable


The TV just does not handle dark scenes well at all - I mean terrible. This is my 3rd SAMSUNG in the past few years, progressively bigger.
Thinking about swapping out the cable but my 75" didn't have the problem. $9000 TV should not have this problem.


Should I get Samsung involved?


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No one with the solution why all of my update options are greyed out? Even reset! How to reset the damn tv if all is grayed out? Do i need to delete my Samsung acc to be able?

Denpom?

I read the whole manual and there nothing for hard reset...
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I've had the 7100 series 85" for several months now. I deliver content to it via 1. Direct TV 2. OPPO DVD 3 Streaming media All piped through a DENON AVR-5200 - Connection is made with a 50" HDMI cable


The TV just does not handle dark scenes well at all - I mean terrible. This is my 3rd SAMSUNG in the past few years, progressively bigger.
Thinking about swapping out the cable but my 75" didn't have the problem. $9000 TV should not have this problem.


Should I get Samsung involved?


Thnx
You're in the wrong thread. This is the 8500 thread.
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then your TV is defective. and yes, i don't remember any posts about blue glow or gray uniformity (which 8500 clearly excels at).
denpom.......just wanted to let you know that I got a great panel. It's pretty perfect with none of the issues others are having so I'm happy.

I haven't watched many movies yet but the blacks are pretty great and no uniformity issues either. Pretty happy with my sub $2,000 purchase of this set.
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No one with the solution why all of my update options are greyed out? Even reset! How to reset the damn tv if all is grayed out? Do i need to delete my Samsung acc to be able?

Denpom?

I read the whole manual and there nothing for hard reset...
You may want to contact Samsung support and see if they can do anything about it.
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I believe Standard gives better black level performance (such as it is) then Movie mode does. That's been my experience personally.
I have mine set to Standard and the blacks are great. Movie was a little too dark for me and I've never tried it again after the original setup because I like the way my set looks with Standard.
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You may want to contact Samsung support and see if they can do anything about it.
Ouch!
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Ouch!
May not necessarily be a repair thing, they might be able to take control remotely and do something or even tell you how to do a hard reset.
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Panel question

Hello all, I am a new member here though I follow AVSF always and got invaluable information from here. Finally decided to replace my good old Viera Plasma which is almost 7 years old now (though going strong). I might move it to my bedside and have the new TV in my main room. My room is not so big so I am almost fixed on 55". My choice at the moment is 55JS8500 since it got good reviews, almost future proof (at least for 5 years or so) and have capable hardware (10 bit panel, HDR ready, HDMI 2.0, Quantum dots, local dimming etc). I use my TV for both cable TV as well as with my HTPC (plus direct streaming of YT / Netflix etc with in-built app). It will not be used for games. Considering it it will be the primary screen of my HTPC i think 8500 make sense since it support 4K @ 60Hz with 4:4:4 chroma settings. It is a good time to buy this TV as the prices went down and can see it on many sites with attractive prices. My biggest concern is panel version as I heard Samsung does panel lottery. Do I need to be concerned about panel if I buy this TV from a good online store? Someone said since JS8500 series is a premium line all TV have TS01/TH0xx panels and never to worry. Is that true? Your advice is much appreciated.

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55" JS850D arrived a couple of weeks ago from Costco and I posted I was having issues with blacks being crushed in some instances . Quickly reordered another thinking it was the tv. Tried many settings and am now very, very happy with Denpom's standard settings. The problem with black scenes were all associated with Verizon On Demand content, not the tv. Have a Verizon tech coming tomorrow to check coax and splitter which is old and maybe degrading the ON Demand content (moCa). Regular hd cable content is fine and I am really enjoying this tv. Plus the price dropped $200 since and Costco credited it. Happy camper here.
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I have been messing with settings for the UHD bluray player & I got a BD Wise Web option, this is the first I ever noticed this. I was using The Martian UHD Bluray
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Has anyone ever used natural mode? I used Denpom's settings for movie and standard modes. And I tend to use standard for most of my viewing which is with Dish Network. But I was playing around with some 4K You Tube videos and I swear the natural seemed to look the best. Of course I only tried 1 video, which was a nature video. I'm just wondering if anyone else has used that setting.


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I have been messing with settings for the UHD bluray player & I got a BD Wise Web option, this is the first I ever noticed this. I was using The Martian UHD Bluray
So far the "BD wise Web" setting does appear to be the best I have gotten the 4K bluray of The Martian to look.
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My new 65" JS8500 arrives on Saturday. One question about my BLU-RAY player related to this:

Do I need to double-check that black levels or any other settings are a certain way on my Sony BD player for it to output an optimal picture to the 8500? Do I need to have it output a particular color setting instead of "Auto?" Black setting?

I don't want to think the TV has a terrible picture shortly after I get it because I missed something like this in the signal chain. Thanks!

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May not necessarily be a repair thing, they might be able to take control remotely and do something or even tell you how to do a hard reset.
I reseted the smarthub and now its all available - damn with the 0000 pin code.
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**OFFICIAL** 2015 Samsung 4K SUHD JS8500 Series TV Thread

I'm watching the "the man in the high castle" in UHD streaming from Amazon. Is it normal that the picture settings reset themselves, or is that stuff HDR , so it changes it automatically?

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Quickest Google search shows indeed it's HDR. Never mind.



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someone had posted 3 links to picture of darker 850d bezel. can't seem to find them...
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Blue corner bleed

Hi all,

I've tried to read much of this thread and looked for pictures but I couldn't find an example of my exact issue (the pictures uploaded all look a lot worse). I think my panel is pretty good, but I do have a blue light bleed on the lower left and right corners and to a lesser extent around the perimeter.

It's really hard to capture in a picture (my attempt is attached but it's not as bad in real life)... it extends vertically a couple of centimeters from the bottom corners and just has the effect of lightening the corners a bit in a vertical line when watching light colored images. What do you all think? My in-laws bought the same TV at the same time and they have the exact same thing, though maybe a little smaller and a little less bright...

Is this the blue corner bleed you all talk about, or is that something much worse? I don't really see blooming, flashlighting, or clouding or other defects. I feel like if i had a tech come out and see what i'm seeing he would be like "come on".... I just don't know if it's bad enough to even try to swap out as I'd hate t end up with something worse. It's hardly noticeable on regular content, but now that I've noticed it I tend to see it more. Perhaps i need to focus on something else.

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Hi all,

I've tried to read much of this thread and looked for pictures but I couldn't find an example of my exact issue (the pictures uploaded all look a lot worse). I think my panel is pretty good, but I do have a blue light bleed on the lower left and right corners and to a lesser extent around the perimeter.

It's really hard to capture in a picture (my attempt is attached but it's not as bad in real life)... it extends vertically a couple of centimeters from the bottom corners and just has the effect of lightening the corners a bit in a vertical line when watching light colored images. What do you all think? My in-laws bought the same TV at the same time and they have the exact same thing, though maybe a little smaller and a little less bright...

Is this the blue corner bleed you all talk about, or is that something much worse? I don't really see blooming, flashlighting, or clouding or other defects. I feel like if i had a tech come out and see what i'm seeing he would be like "come on".... I just don't know if it's bad enough to even try to swap out as I'd hate t end up with something worse. It's hardly noticeable on regular content, but now that I've noticed it I tend to see it more. Perhaps i need to focus on something else.

Thanks in advance!
It is definitely a panel problem. It could possibly be caused by the rear screws, try loosening them a little as some users have found this to be an effective resolution.
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It is definitely a panel problem. It could possibly be caused by the rear screws, try loosening them a little as some users have found this to be an effective resolution.
Thanks for the quick reply!

I've already tried loosening the bottom corner screws with no effect. Should I try all around the perimeter? Unfortunately I'm now outside of the return window from where I bought it from by about 30 days. Is this something that Samsung would recognize and replace under warranty, or is that just never going to happen? It's something I can probably look past and forget about with time as the rest of the TV is awesome... it just bothers me that it's there at all for a TV this price and I'm always getting hung up on the little stuff!
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