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So the first and second picture are with backlight 10 and smart led off with everything else that effects black levels off.

The last one is with the settings as they are on the first page for standard mode.

Pics make it look way worse in normal viewing I can definitely live with it as it only comes up noticeably in credits mostly where you can tell the smart led is doing its thing...

Get Samsung to replace panel or keep what I have? I don't have any other issues with the panel other than this clouding.

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Get Samsung to replace panel or keep what I have? I don't have any other issues with the panel other than this clouding.
if it's visible to the naked eye with the settings from the first page and Smart LED on Standard or High it's up to you decide if you can live with it but that's not how it should perform.
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Funny enough, our very own Scott Wilkinson blew this notion of "local dimming" out of the water on an edge lit TV in his statement in response to the story about the new Sony TV's.
not sure what new Sony TVs have to do with 8500.
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While eagle_2 tended to get too defensive and he needed to work on his tone, others sometimes were also too dismissive. He struggled to back up his claims because he was always using examples related to separate, much older models which really is like comparing apples to oranges. But... has eagle_2 been vidicated? Interesting.
not really. excessive, non-normal (for this set), heat could cause "clouding". no one ever argued that fact. 99% of these sets are not generating excessive heat about ~110 Degrees F at any point on this TV, even after 1+hrs of operation. He insisted that there was some correlation between heat and clouding, scaring other members. Any engineer would tell you that his "conclusion" was flawed. The only evidence was that as the tv reaches normal operating temperature, his "clouding" became more noticeable. Excessive heat is not the cause of that unless his set is damaged. As I mentioned to him numerous times, components have inherent characteristics, including panel materials. As those materials warm up, they may exhibit some differences in how they react. His set's components/panel/whatever COULD have an issue where at normal operating temp, the clouding he is seeing becomes more prevalent, but it's not likely to be because the set overheated as he was suggesting.

No one ever said he didn't have an issue, so it's faulty to suggest that he was vindicated in any way. PS, I never saw a picture of this clouding that he had that looked like clouding to me...

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if it's visible to the naked eye with the settings from the first page and Smart LED on Standard or High it's up to you decide if you can live with it but that's not how it should perform.
Hmmm I'll let the set settle in for a few more days if it's still perceptible then I'll call Samsung about getting a new panel put on just hesitant because I know people have gotten worse than they had doing that.

I've got 30 days to decide.

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Oh really? Sorry I missed that. Lol. Either way, doesn't change my statement now that somebody else is claiming the clouding becomes much worse after the TV has been on for a while. Could be an anomaly unrelated to heat, or something else. But now we have somebody else who has seen it.
no one said he didn't have an issue...

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HDMI ports are suspected to be a culprit behind wider color gamut issues with just released 4K Blu-ray player. perhaps Samsung is trying to patch that.
Odd. Watched The Martian UHD 4K before, and after the 1443 update, with UHD HDMI Color 'ON' and 'OFF' and it looks the same all 4 ways.

Oh well, I love how it looks and thats the important thing.

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The things you mentioned are a good start, as well as the following more rudimentary items (do not let them pressure you into a quick check of the panel, take your time doing so, and remember that they will not leave until you sign the final paperwork -- you're in control, NOT the delivery guys):...
WOW, what a wonderfully thorough post and response! Thanks very much!
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Yes, it's a 9000, but that thread is not as active as this one, and I thought the process would be similar. I've exchanged JU7500 to JS8500 to JS9000 now, all of them having some sort of panel issue.

Yes, that is a black 4K image displayed. Photo was taken with an iPhone without manipulation.
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Yes, it's a 9000, but that thread is not as active as this one, and I thought the process would be similar. I've exchanged JU7500 to JS8500 to JS9000 now, all of them having some sort of panel issue.

Yes, that is a black 4K image displayed. Photo was taken with an iPhone without manipulation.
You're only missing a step here . I went from JS8500 to JS9000 to JS9500 and I couldn't be any happier.
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not sure what new Sony TVs have to do with 8500.
His statement was that "many companies refer to edgelit dimming as "local dimming", but I don't buy that for a second." You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the JS8500 was an edgelit TV with local dimming. It just seemed to me that he scoffed at the notion that any kind of local dimming could truly exist on an edgelit set.
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I also got a popup message today saying an update was available, which I assume is 1443 based on what other members have been saying, but I just clicked update later. I want to see what this update includes first, or if it causes any problems.
That is why I too have Auto Updates turned off ("I want to see what this update includes first, or if it causes any problems"). The TV still notifies me whether an update is available as well as the update version number (when I view the Software Update menu, not via a popup message), but I'm the one who gets to choose whether to update or not, not the TV.
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Yes, it's a 9000, but that thread is not as active as this one, and I thought the process would be similar.
you'll still get more help in 9000 thread.
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You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the JS8500 was an edgelit TV with local dimming. It just seemed to me that he scoffed at the notion that any kind of local dimming could truly exist on an edgelit set.
again, we're talking about different brands here. Sony likes to use the "edge dimming" nomenclature for their TVs without local dimming which is complete nonsense and that's why Scott called them on that. local dimming with actual zones makes a big difference for an edge lit TV, like 8500.
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I also got a popup message today saying an update was available, which I assume is 1443 based on what other members have been saying, but I just clicked update later. I want to see what this update includes first, or if it causes any problems.
It supposedly fixed the issues with HDMI UHD Color when using the K8500.
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again, we're talking about different brands here. Sony likes to use the "edge dimming" nomenclature for their TVs without local dimming which is complete nonsense and that's why Scott called them on that. local dimming with actual zones makes a big difference for an edge lit TV, like 8500.
Ok. I stand corrected. I thought he was speaking generally about all edge lit TV's.
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-Anyone have an Nvidia Shield connected with Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) issues? I just can't get these two to talk to each other and constantly have to use two remote controls. Starting to consider a Logitech Harmony to unify remotes soon. Seems to me that many consumers are having issues with Samsung's HDMI-CEC.

I had to drill a new hole in my wall in order to setup the One connect box. That cord was way to small and my existing holes were on the other side of the TV since my last TV had the HDMI ports on the other side. I hammered in a new hole about 1 foot above my previous hole in the wall and was able to lay the connect box flat on my tv stand successfully. The size of that cable is ridiculous and so is the power cable. You would think for a TV set with an MSRP of over 3k you would have a lengthy cable (thats what she said) .

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Side note... I am sure this has been addressed but how do you guys get the screen shots of the clouding issues with the white bars in the middle of the screen? Is this something in the settings menu or only when you calibrate your TV with additional software? Sorry for the newb question, I am new to this
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Side note... I am sure this has been addressed but how do you guys get the screen shots of the clouding issues with the white bars in the middle of the screen? Is this something in the settings menu or only when you calibrate your TV with additional software? Sorry for the newb question, I am new to this

It's part of a Youtube video that I believe is called "Simple TV Calibration".
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Side note... I am sure this has been addressed but how do you guys get the screen shots of the clouding issues with the white bars in the middle of the screen?
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It's part of a Youtube video that I believe is called "Simple TV Calibration".
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I need a huge favor before decide to label my set defective and box it up, return it and feel the rath of my wife. I have asked this multiple times and have received no responses to my request. I need some test data from a few other sets. It’s really simple; just watch the UHD version of “The man in the high castle”. Watch episode five starting at nine minutes. There is a scene in a dark apartment that has a few slow light to dark transition.One part in particular half of the screen has visible blooming or clouding. It has a blueish hue to it.


Very important and eagle_2 will appreciate that he is not alone with this issue. This visible blooming/clouding only happens when the set is warmed up. If you turn your set on and immediately watch the scene you will not see any blooming/clouding. So please warm your setup up first. Starting the episode from the beginning will work fine. I’m begging my AVS friends here to give this a try. I’m only asking to watch 10 minutes of a show (preferably in a dark room) and report what you saw. I really don’t want to return a perfectly good set.


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I will say this about the man in the High Castle.

I enjoyed the plot.

It looked good at times.

Other than that. It was a pain in the ass.

Some scenes were hazy. The bloom on my js9500 was annoying at times.

I believe the low bitrate on such a high quality show was causing problems.

I've seen other tv brands complaining about uniformity issues with that show including oled owners.

My advice is don't use streaming as a source for scrutiny. Get a quality file to judge because I'm finding that my uniformity issues are much worse on anything streaming that has low bit rates.
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I dont see the update on my model`s page ...http://www.samsung.com/hr/support/model/UE55JS8002TXXH
Nor i see it on Samsung js8500 page :/

Anyone on this forum have this EU model (UE55JS8002TXXH)?

Except for the small DSE (looks like a gray half tennis ball shadow trail) at left center which is only visible with fast panning on light background (gray, light blue, green) my 55 inch is so far without flaws (no clouding, no blue lights, no lightbleed ...) so after all i am happy I didnt go with 65

Ps Yesterday I watched X-Files 1080p/x264 ep5 with standard settings from denpom and I was really amazed again with the picture quality of this TV and calibration.

Also when i watch SD channels i i have those MPEG noise and digital clean view options on AUTO and it work wonders!

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I dont see the update on my model`s page ...http://www.samsung.com/hr/support/model/UE55JS8002TXXH
Nor i see it on Samsung js8500 page :/

Anyone on this forum have this EU model (UE55JS8002TXXH)?

Except for the small DSE (looks like a gray shadow trail) at left center which is only visible with fast panning on light background (gray, light blue, green) my 55 inch is so far without flaws (no clouding, no blue lights, no lightbleed ...) so after all i am happy I didnt go with 65

Ps Yesterday I watched X-Files 1080p/x264 ep5 with standard settings from denpom and I was really amazed again with the picture quality of this TV and calibration.

Also when i watch SD channels i i have those MPEG noise and digital clean view options on AUTO and it work wonders!
Are you referring to the 1443 update? You need to update from your tv to get it.
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Are you referring to the 1443 update? You need to update from your tv to get it.
Yes. At official page theres only 1440.8. Eh, I have 10mbit internet which is max at where I live ...in the woods Would take ages. I didnt even use Netflix free month, its too slow. ;(

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So if I want to download and view HDR material using the links referenced on these forums, I just need a USB 3.0 stick correct? So even one like this would work fine?


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I don't have this set I have the UN50JU6500 but asking here after updating to firmware 1443 I have noticed it has introduced clouding. If I change from movie mode to natural the clouding goes down some in dynamic mode the clouding is almost eliminated. If I turn dynamic contrast to high in movie mode the clouding is less noticeable. (All setting are set the same for each mode) I also don't see any clouding from that youtube test video. Also the CinemaNow app keeps deleting from my apps every time I turn on the tv, the youtube app will sometimes freeze and the Samsung Milk app will freeze at times as well. I have done a factory reset. Any one else noticed any anomalies after 1443 update.
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So the first and second picture are with backlight 10 and smart led off with everything else that effects black levels off.

The last one is with the settings as they are on the first page for standard mode.

Pics make it look way worse in normal viewing I can definitely live with it as it only comes up noticeably in credits mostly where you can tell the smart led is doing its thing...

Get Samsung to replace panel or keep what I have? I don't have any other issues with the panel other than this clouding.

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Is anybody really going to watch this TV with Smart LED off and all of the Black level settings off?? This seems like a pointless test to me.

The last picture looks fine to me. When you're watching content and it's not noticeable then I think it's good right?

I think there are too many people looking for issues that will affect the TV in less than 5% of the time you're viewing it. That's just my 2 cents.
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Yes. At official page theres only 1440.8. Eh, I have 10mbit internet which is max at where I live ...in the woods Would take ages. I didnt even use Netflix free month, its too slow. ;(
I don't think the update is very big.
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So if I want to download and view HDR material using the links referenced on these forums, I just need a USB 3.0 stick correct? So even one like this would work fine?


http://www.microcenter.com/product/3...30_Flash_Drive
No, I wouldn't buy that for using with HDR. It's read and write speeds suck with only 12MB write and 80MB read speeds.( These are "up to" speeds). If you're going to buy a USB3 flash drive, spend the money to get a good one the first time. Look into the SanDisk Extreme series 64gb or 32GB, with up to 190 write and 245 read speeds. Very good drives.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...0BD-000B-000V6
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