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$46 for a cable. Are you kidding me!
Appears to be totally unique connectors, there are no competing options that I or anyone else has found, and it has what, like, three times as many conductors as an HDMI cable for example, so the price is no big surprise to me.

Consider how much an average crap HDMI cable costs if you grab it from a peg at Best Buy, if you wanna really get your boxers in a twist.

If and when Monoprice comes up with something, that will be nice. Until then, too bad.
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So after hearing 3D is dead and generally not being excited about 2016 sets, I have settled that I love the JS8500. Its not a perfect set but I love that I have HDR and 3D.


Now I have the opportunity to exchange my unit this weekend for another but I'm requesting a sanity check if its worth exchanging it. So here are my issues with my current set.
- Two bottom corner have typical blue bleed.
- Clouding looks to be a little worse then what most people are calling normal here. Mainly have a problem with it as it shows up in come content. Especially showing up blue in some HDR content.
- Some visible banding. This set is supposed to be top notch with gray uniformity and most people say they have no banding.
+ Zero dead pixel (Big pet peeve! I scared most about getting a set with the same issue or slightly less but having dead pixel/s. Anyone here experience dead pixels on this set?)



Thanks for the advance and wish me luck!

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Retired: TH-50PX80U, M55-C2 (Returned)
Duds: 2x XBR-65X930D(bent frame, 3D unwatchable and clouding), P65-C1(3x Yellow banding, dead pixels), UN65JS8500(blue bleed) UN60J6200 (Returned, dead pixels), M65-C1(3x Defective units, all dead pixel and yellow banding)

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So I just watched Sicario in UHD and it looked really good, except in dark scenes with subtitles.

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So after hearing 3D is dead and generally not being excited about 2016 sets, I have settled that I love the JS8500. Its not a perfect set but I love that I have HDR and 3D.


Now I have the opportunity to exchange my unit this weekend for another but I'm requesting a sanity check if its worth exchanging it. So here are my issues with my current set.
- Two bottom corner have typical blue bleed.
- Clouding looks to be a little worse then what most people are calling normal here. Mainly have a problem with it as it shows up in come content. Especially showing up blue in some HDR content.
- Some visible banding. This set is supposed to be top notch with gray uniformity and most people say they have no banding.
+ Zero dead pixel (Big pet peeve! I scared most about getting a set with the same issue or slightly less but having dead pixel/s. Anyone here experience dead pixels on this set?)



Thanks for the advance and wish me luck!

It's a fantastic TV.
I would exchange it if you have the blue corner light.
I'm pretty sure out of this whole thread, there may have been 1 other customer with a dead pixel so I don't believe it to be a consistent problem unlike the blue corners.

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It's a fantastic TV.
I would exchange it if you have the blue corner light.
I'm pretty sure out of this whole thread, there may have been 1 other customer with a dead pixel so I don't believe it to be a consistent problem unlike the blue corners.
Don't know about dead pixels but I had a stuck pixel.

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What's your brightness at? I find that above 45 dimming doesn't work right.
Well, I did have my brightness at 50.

I've managed to get the letterbox blacks much better by turning the brightness down to 47, putting Cinema Black at Dark, and turning up the Smart LED to High. I think the latter had little to do with the improvement, though.

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$46 for a cable. Are you kidding me!
Yea you know what, it isn't cheap but a good HDMI cable isn't much less. I go middle ground with that stuff - mostly Blue Jeans cables. But $45 is nothing when 1) there is NO OTHER option (this isn't a type of cable that you find at Best Buy or Monoprice) 2) you understand the freedom that this 10' cable has given me / my AVR setup. I'm very happy with it and would spend it again.

** of course Samsung should really include a cable this long with the TV. But it is what it is and they didn't include it.
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Well, I did have my brightness at 50.

I've managed to get the letterbox blacks much better by turning the brightness down to 47, putting Cinema Black at Dark, and turning up the Smart LED to High. I think the latter had little to do with the improvement, though.
There's your problem. 47 is still too high, the letterbox won't turn off completely unless you're at 45 and to avoid it flashing on and off smart LED at high. You don't need to be above 45 anyways, 45 is exactly where the brightness should be at. Turning the brightness up is just going to wash out the blacks. If you want to increase the brightness of the screen for a bright room just turn the backlight up.
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Yea you know what, it isn't cheap but a good HDMI cable isn't much less
My $10 SecurOmax cable that handles 12 bit 2160p60 4:4:4 with UHD Color On without any issues says otherwise.
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My $10 SecurOmax cable that handles 12 bit 2160p60 4:4:4 with UHD Color On without any issues says otherwise.
Whatever man. If you want to get technical. It's all relative to what YOU consider cheap (or "much less"). And if you consider the fact that THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION ON THE PLANET if you own this Samsung TV, it's very cheap.
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Well, I did have my brightness at 50.
so you were never really using the settings from the 1st page, i see. not surprised about your complaints now.
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Whatever man. If you want to get technical. It's all relative to what YOU consider cheap (or "much less"). And if you consider the fact that THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION ON THE PLANET if you own this Samsung TV, it's very cheap.
I can totally understand paying for the OCB cable. What I disagree with is that a good HDMI cable doesn't cost much less than it. Because you can totally get quality HDMI cables for a low price.
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I can totally understand paying for the OCB cable. What I disagree with is that a good HDMI cable doesn't cost much less than it. Because you can totally get quality HDMI cables for a low price.
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Hello everyone, my name is Coltsbro84.

I just gave up on buying a Sony x850c after returning four of them, and decided to buy the 55 JS8500! I'm one of you now! I hope to contribute to this thread, and I'm sure I'll be helping out along the way.

Well, I've had about three hours with my set. I've calibrated everything. I have no blue corners, no light bleed, no clouding, no flash lighting, none of that. If I had to knock this TV for something it would be the gray uniformity is not perfect, but the gray color does not vary in color that much. No vertical banding, no splotches. I am impressed with this set.

Black uniformity and local dimming test on my set, picture here: http://imgur.com/cVV2NE6

Gray uniformity on my set, picture here: http://imgur.com/8VfHEg1Only

The only question that I can think of right now is this. I have the TV hooked up to my Denon receiver through optical. Using the native YouTube app, when I back out of a video I get a very quiet "pop" coming from my home theater speakers, can anyone explain this or know how to fix it?

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PLEASE HELP, suddenly not getting sound from soundbar to Fios/AppleTV

Setup: Sammy LED to Fios STB via HDMI 1 Apple TV to Sammy via HDMI 2 Vizio SB3821 to Sammy via optical. Sound worked great for 1st 2 weeks but suddenly today I get no sound from both HDMI 1&2. I am getting sound from sound bar Bluetooth when paired to my phone. I've tried disconnecting reconnecting optical cable, verifying TV set to external speakers, ensuring Vizio on proper input, even checked if mute was on, I cannot figure out why suddenly no sound. Weird no sound for Fios not Apple TV. Anyone ever experience this? Any tips on how I can further diagnose the issue? This is really frustrating for me. Thx
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there's nothing "reference" about Rtings unit or their reviews and conclusions. they just buy their units like all of us here and pretend that one particular set represents the performance of the whole series. it's laughable.
I think you are wrong ...being a pro review site you really think they bought all of those sets from different brands juts to test it? I know the units vary in quality, even for the same models, but i also believe manufacturers would send them only the best units on test, being a good advertise for them.

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Hello everyone, my name is Coltsbro84.

I just gave up on buying a Sony x850c after returning four of them, and decided to buy the 55 JS8500! I'm one of you now! I hope to contribute to this thread, and I'm sure I'll be helping out along the way.

Well, I've had about three hours with my set. I've calibrated everything. I have no blue corners, no light bleed, no clouding, no flash lighting, none of that. If I had to knock this TV for something it would be the gray uniformity is not perfect, but the gray color does not vary in color that much. No vertical banding, no splotches. I am impressed with this set.

Black uniformity and local dimming test on my set, picture here: http://imgur.com/cVV2NE6

Gray uniformity on my set, picture here: http://imgur.com/8VfHEg1Only

The only question that I can think of right now is this. I have the TV hooked up to my Denon receiver through optical. Using the native YouTube app, when I back out of a video I get a very quiet "pop" coming from my home theater speakers, can anyone explain this or know how to fix it?
I see a pretty good uniformity there 9/10, minus those darker horizontal strips along the screen and great black uniformity. I have a vertical darker gray spot (shaddow like) in the middle of the screen that is pretty visible everytime the light bacground is on screen panning or not, except on the 100% white where its clean.

Thats what is bothering me since day one ... usually people see DSE on white screen as well and decide to replace it, while i have it only in grayscale, feels strange, it cannot be a trapped dust or uneven backlight as this would def be seen in pure white. Grats on a perfect set. Like 55 should be.

Wish more people post gray uniformity screen of their sets so i can see how bad my unit is, so far its the only one here with this defect.

Also, x850c was my first choice being a direct lit and on sale (65 inch) with alsmost the same price as my 55js8002, but i changed my mind.

1st 55js8002: Bad DSE - returned for replace
2nd 55js8002: Exactly the same thing - refund
55js9002: Panel R.I.P. (edge bleed after 1 year of use) - refund
55x900E: Great TV - hope it will last

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SO after seeing green666's set... im assuming that light bleed 12 inches away from the edge is totally unacceptable. it appears they CAN make good sets... why so much variation? I wouldn't even care about the light bleed if it was consistent and didnt move!!... but the whole screen lighting up for a white play icon in the bottom left corner bugs the absolute CRAP out of me.
Given the huge difference in size between 65 and 55 i think its kinda normal for 65 to have light issues (clouding and bleed). I believe you have 65?

Tbh ...Not sure what is worse ...
1. to live with poor gray uniformity, having a feel of dusty, smudgy screen while still fully enjoying an SF movies or horrors in complete dark
2. having a problem with black inconsistency where you have to do a compromise with backlight options but on other hand enjoy the "clean screen" without smudges.


And from my previous expiriance clouding is pretty distracting in 3D, but i am yet to see the effect of DSE in 3D.

Well, at least for the 2nd one you can do a compromise and lower the problem while i cant do s* to make the dirt less visible.

Ah, the joys of modern tech...

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2nd 55js8002: Exactly the same thing - refund
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...being a pro review site you really think they bought all of those sets from different brands juts to test it?
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I see a pretty good uniformity there 9/10, minus those darker horizontal strips along the screen and great black uniformity. Grats on a perfect set. Like 55 should be.

Wish more people post gray uniformity screen of their sets so i can see how bad my unit is,
I see the horizontal stripes that your talking about now. Those are not actually on my TV set, I think its my camera picking up cross talk from the TV. I took another picture of it here without the stripes. http://imgur.com/WrwW5Gs

All three of back, gray, and white uniformities are really solid on my TV. Green666, can you return or exchange your set that has the defect in the middle? If you can't, it should still be under warranty. Samsung is great about helping people with their warranties from what I've heard.

Just finished watching this video, and for 1080p, it looks stunning:

I'm really supprized at how cool this TV stays when turned on for six hours. I like the vents on the top of it. On the bottom of my old Sony x850c it would get hotter than hot.

What's everyone sweet spot for the motion handling? That's one thing I miss about my Sony. Right now I have my Motion set to custom, blur at 0, judder reduction at 7, and clear turned off. Pretty good all around, there is a slight blur, and some judder, but its definately not full time 60fps, so these settings seem to be great for all around watching, like movies, sports, YouTube, and cartoons. Seems like if i add any blurr reduction to these settings then it just doesn't feel right. Anyone have suggestions or settings that they prefer for settings on the motion?

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I see the horizontal stripes that your talking about now. Those are not actually on my TV set, I think its my camera picking up cross talk from the TV. I took another picture of it here without the stripes. http://imgur.com/WrwW5Gs

All three of back, gray, and white uniformities are really solid on my TV. Green666, can you return or exchange your set that has the defect in the middle? If you can't, it should still be under warranty. Samsung is great about helping people with their warranties from what I've heard.

Just finished watching this video, and for 1080p, it looks stunning: https://youtu.be/_hf6ke1-i3E

I'm really supprized at how cool this TV stays when turned on for six hours. I like the vents on the top of it. On the bottom of my old Sony x850c it would get hotter than hot.

What's everyone sweet spot for the motion handling? That's one thing I miss about my Sony. Right now I have my Motion set to custom, blur at 0, judder reduction at 7, and clear turned off. Pretty good all around, there is a slight blur, and some judder, but its definately not full time 60fps, so these settings seem to be great for all around watching, like movies, sports, YouTube, and cartoons. Seems like of i add any blurr reduction to these settings then it just doesn't feel right. Anyone have suggestions or settings that they prefer for settings on the motion?
Have been waiting for my local store to get a response from Samsung service, for a week now, even though i didnt want to bring them a tv but sent them via mail, in video and pics ...it is pretty visible on pictures and video i supplied but dont know if they actually gonna admit it as a deal breaker. I never knew getting a new set in the local store (and not a small one) would be that hard, specially after they agreed in the store they see it clearly. Reading from people here even a purchase online gives 30-45 days of no q returns, should be easier and not harder. My set is also mostly cold, except on the top, and it works 24/7.

I keep it at Custom-with clear motion on, had to raise some contrast, backlight and gamma and now its pretty good in motion.

1st 55js8002: Bad DSE - returned for replace
2nd 55js8002: Exactly the same thing - refund
55js9002: Panel R.I.P. (edge bleed after 1 year of use) - refund
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I can totally understand paying for the OCB cable. What I disagree with is that a good HDMI cable doesn't cost much less than it. Because you can totally get quality HDMI cables for a low price.
Agree. People have been brainwashed to believe that paying more for a cable means it's automatically better. Not really. But in a case of availability I understand.
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So after hearing 3D is dead and generally not being excited about 2016 sets, I have settled that I love the JS8500. Its not a perfect set but I love that I have HDR and 3D.


Now I have the opportunity to exchange my unit this weekend for another but I'm requesting a sanity check if its worth exchanging it. So here are my issues with my current set.
- Two bottom corner have typical blue bleed.
- Clouding looks to be a little worse then what most people are calling normal here. Mainly have a problem with it as it shows up in come content. Especially showing up blue in some HDR content.
- Some visible banding. This set is supposed to be top notch with gray uniformity and most people say they have no banding.
+ Zero dead pixel (Big pet peeve! I scared most about getting a set with the same issue or slightly less but having dead pixel/s. Anyone here experience dead pixels on this set?)



Thanks for the advance and wish me luck!
How apparent are the blue corners? I have it in the lower left, and honestly would not have ever noticed it had I not read most of this thread before purchasing the set. I did loosen the screw a bit and the line is only visible on select content, so I'm not terribly concerned about it.

The banding and clouding are much more of a trigger for me. I think what I was seeing is actually more a case of blooming, as it only happens on flat black content with bright images centrally located. If you're seeing clouding on top of any form of image, I'd exchange it.

Gray uniformity is near perfect on my set, which is also a huge plus. I can't unsee that stuff
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Agree. People have been brainwashed to believe that paying more for a cable means it's automatically better. Not really. But in a case of availability I understand.
I am running my JS8500 with an HTPC using a EVGA GTX 980TI SC card. Resolution is 3840 x 2160 @ 60Hz. I needed a 20ft cable for my setup and so far only one worked. Also, I had to enable UHD Color for the input in order to achieve 60Hz.


Here is what I tired.


Worked only at 30Hz
  • Monoprice 24AWG High Speed HDMI® Cable, 20ft Generic
  • Luxe Series CL3 Active High Speed HDMI® Cable, 20ft

Worked at 60Hz and (4:4:4)
  • BJC Series-1 Belden Bonded-Pair HDMI Cable (Saw small white dots if I used with standard port savers, need to try high speed port savers)
4K HDMI requirements are going to frustrate a lot of folks if running longer cables.
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So after hearing 3D is dead and generally not being excited about 2016 sets, I have settled that I love the JS8500. Its not a perfect set but I love that I have HDR and 3D...
I also thought having both was a nice with this set. The only other TV that was in my sights was one of the LG OLEDs but with the difference in costs, I was able to build a high end PC and still kept $1500 in the bank. Once OLED comes down, closer to $2K for 65", I will revisit. Until then, I am very happy with the JS8500.
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so you were never really using the settings from the 1st page, i see. not surprised about your complaints now.
In my defense, I did start with those settings. Then early on when I was looking at some setup images (the Digital Video Essentials BD and Pixar setup thing on their BDs), the blacks seemed like they were too dark for what they were supposed to be, so I moved the brightness back up.

So I'm confused. Does having the brightness set to 45 crush the black levels on content? It sure seems that way from what I've seen, yet all of the settings on the first post have the brightness set at 45. I need some clarification.
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you should see zero of anything that can be described as "bleed". letterbox bars should be inky pitch black.
Could you do me a favor denpom? And maybe get up close to your TV, and perhaps you've already done so. You have a 55 inch so I'd say walk up about 4 feet in front of it or so, and then walk from side to side just to where you're still in front of the screen but you're going from one end to the other and tell me if those letterbox bars still stay pitch black on the other end of the set. I know you said you sit was it around 8 feet away or so from your 55 inch? I'm just curious if you get a lot closer and then shift side to side while still standing in front of the TV if you see the shift anomaly in the black letterbox bars and the darker images on the screen where they go from that black you see to a greyer or even slightly bluish color that Cosmonut and I seem to be noticing. I know loss of contrast is a major factor on these VA panels, but I didn't realize that it would be so bad that just shifting from side to side while still standing in front of the TV from just a few feet away would show that contrast level drop.
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Are you sure you didn't buy an OLED? Seriously though that's a nice looking set you may just want to keep it. Guess they have better manufacturing wherever yours was made (probably not Mexico like mine.)
I know.. it's photos like this that make me want to go to Samsung headquarters and strangle somebody for telling me that mine is within an acceptable range of *****ty Lol. Okay.. well perhaps those are my words and not theirs. But it's basically what they said.
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So I'm confused. Does having the brightness set to 45 crush the black levels on content?
surely, it doesn't. otherwise we would never recommend it.
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there's nothing "reference" about Rtings unit or their reviews and conclusions. they just buy their units like all of us here and pretend that one particular set represents the performance of the whole series. it's laughable.
While I don't disagree with this in theory, is it truly any different for any testing company? Does cnet go buy 10 of them for a larger sampling size? Who receives "complimentary" units from teh manufacturer for their reviews? You know those are not going to be representative units as I'm sure the manufacturer sends fully tested units that show only the best performance possible for that series. I don't presume to really know the answer. But I would certainly believe the reviews from somebody who goes and just buys one off the shelf like the rest of us have to do versus a "test" unit sent by a manufacturer. Ideally a large sample size would be best, but I'm not aware of anybody that does that in practice, though I believe Consumer Reports has been known to do that at times.
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