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post #17251 of 24035 Old 03-13-2016, 01:24 PM
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I do have the upgrade for Netflix.I will definitely do more rooting around in the Big A..Thanks
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My attachment clearly show banding when watching UHD BR Exodus. Note: Sorry for sideways photo.
Your attachment clearly shows severely compressed video. Even the cheapest 6bit panels without FRC (TN, E-IPS, etc) do not have such banding.
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If anyone is having trouble with washed out blacks, this might give you plasma/oled feel. Sadly, most of the settings are locked for Natural mode, but i am thrilled with the image now. The highlighted 2nd one is the most important for overall deeper scene look.







It adds more pop to the colors, specially green. Looks more vivid in cartoons and nature shows. Tell me what you think...





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I asked this a week ago and didn't get any responses. I wanted to try once more before I am out of my return period if necessary. Does anyone have any thoughts on what this is? Thanks!

I have something (an imperfection) underneath the glass on my screen that looks like a white dot. Well it looks like a white dot when the tv is off. It turns into a dark spot when the screen is on. It is circular (maybe not perfectly circular) and is about 1-1.2 mm in diameter. It almost looks like an air bubble.

You can not see it from afar - on or off. You can see it up close but moreso when the tv is off. But you can see it when it is on also. You just have to be close - within a few feet. Pictures don't come out very well at night because of glare. But I just discovered my magnifying app (iPhone app) can take pictures. So I've posted a few of those below. Now that I look at the magnified pics, it almost looks like the thing has spiky things on its outside perimeter. And now I can see a dark spot in the middle of the "white".

Does anyone recognize this type of imperfection from your own set or previous posts from others?

* as mentioned the pics were taken with a magnifying app. They look much worse in these pics than in person.
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Looks like someone shot your screen with a micro bullet ...Ant man

Is it visible with the content?

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This may be a stupid question but I wanted to ask. I like denpoms cable settings. But with the color space. What is the difference between native and then further customizing them?

We watch 99% cable/sports. Very few blu Ray or movies. So we like bright colorful picture. Movie mode drives me nuts. Even with prime and denpoms settings
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I asked this a week ago and didn't get any responses. I wanted to try once more before I am out of my return period if necessary. Does anyone have any thoughts on what this is? Thanks!

I have something (an imperfection) underneath the glass on my screen that looks like a white dot. Well it looks like a white dot when the tv is off. It turns into a dark spot when the screen is on. It is circular (maybe not perfectly circular) and is about 1-1.2 mm in diameter. It almost looks like an air bubble.

You can not see it from afar - on or off. You can see it up close but moreso when the tv is off. But you can see it when it is on also. You just have to be close - within a few feet. Pictures don't come out very well at night because of glare. But I just discovered my magnifying app (iPhone app) can take pictures. So I've posted a few of those below. Now that I look at the magnified pics, it almost looks like the thing has spiky things on its outside perimeter. And now I can see a dark spot in the middle of the "white".

Does anyone recognize this type of imperfection from your own set or previous posts from others?

* as mentioned the pics were taken with a magnifying app. They look much worse in these pics than in person.

Looks like a pixel exploded.
Not sure if something like that can actually happen

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Your attachment clearly shows severely compressed video. Even the cheapest 6bit panels without FRC (TN, E-IPS, etc) do not have such banding.
That was Exodus UHD bluray from a K8500. Sure Bluray is compressed to 4:2:0 but the K8500 outputs it at 4:4:4. It doesn't get much better then disk.

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Your attachment clearly shows severely compressed video. Even the cheapest 6bit panels without FRC (TN, E-IPS, etc) do not have such banding.
He said that's from a UHD Blu-Ray.

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This may be a stupid question but I wanted to ask. I like denpoms cable settings. But with the color space. What is the difference between native and then further customizing them?

We watch 99% cable/sports. Very few blu Ray or movies. So we like bright colorful picture. Movie mode drives me nuts. Even with prime and denpoms settings
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This may be a stupid question but I wanted to ask. I like denpoms cable settings. But with the color space. What is the difference between native and then further customizing them?

We watch 99% cable/sports. Very few blu Ray or movies. So we like bright colorful picture. Movie mode drives me nuts. Even with prime and denpoms settings
Native is the expanded color space meant for HDR content. You'll want it set to auto or custom for normal content.

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Your attachment clearly shows severely compressed video. Even the cheapest 6bit panels without FRC (TN, E-IPS, etc) do not have such banding.
That was Exodus UHD bluray from a K8500. Sure Bluray is compressed to 4:2:0 but the K8500 outputs it at 4:4:4. It doesn't get much better then disk.

Is this a defective panel?
Once lossy compression is applied (to images, videos,music), you can't really undo the damage. There is some trickery that can be performed to compensate a bit but the original quality can never be restored.

I would look for uncompressed test content before deciding the panel or logic board is bad. Even most cure OTA content should look better than what that picture portrays.
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First of all I've already posted that I've tried viewing some 25fps content locally. Secondly I know what judder is. It makes absolute perfect sense that you would get judder from 25fps content on a 120hz set, it's just more noticeable on this than on my previous sets.
you need to relax a bit. It's not like I read from back to front on here. How bout you link to a 25fps clip that others can try.

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you need to relax a bit. It's not like I read from back to front on here. How bout you link to a 25fps clip that others can try.
JS8500 detects 24/25p sources (even inside a 60Hz signal) and displays them judder free. i did the tests before, it looks like a native 24/50Hz playback (with AMP Off, obviously). i'm just tired of arguing with him about everything.
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JS8500 detects 24/25p sources (even inside a 60Hz signal) and displays them judder free. i did the tests before, it looks like a native 24/50Hz playback (with AMP Off, obviously). i'm just tired of arguing with him about everything.
How can a 120hz display display a 25hz signal judder free without AMP? And how do you explain the judder I see from 25fps sources? If you don't want to argue then quit arguing. Maybe realize that not everyone's set acts exactly like yours.

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That was Exodus UHD bluray from a K8500. Sure Bluray is compressed to 4:2:0 but the K8500 outputs it at 4:4:4. It doesn't get much better then disk.

Is this a defective panel?
If this is a panel issue you should see such severe banding everywhere, not only while watching Exodus UHD. Try the following - get some high quality photographs with skies and such gradients and check whether the banding will occur. You can even make your own images with gradients just for the test. As I said, this is insane banding even for a cheap 6-bit panel. There is no way the reason for it to be the 8-bit panel which uses FRC . If this was the case the same banding would be observable on most TV sets. Native 10-bit panels are not so common compared to the 6-bit/8-bit/8-bit+FRC simply because they are more expensive. Most manufacturers mention "10-bit" to indicate the number of bits used for the value of each of the R/G/B components, but often they don't mention how they achieve it - whether with a native 10-bit panel or an 8-bit+FRC

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Hello, I am planning to buy the UN65JS8500 and want to use it as a DirecTV RVU. I have few questions:

1. Do I need internet to run RVU on this TV?

2. Is RVU an app on this TV?

3. Is there any noticeable lag?

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I just got a 55 inch js8500 yesterday as a bestbuy replacement for my sony 850a that kicked the bucket. I noticed in the top left corner i do get some clouding on darker scenes. Any suggestions on what to do? Not sure if all of them have it ot if it's a defect. Maybe I have the settings messed up.
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How can a 120hz display display a 25hz signal judder free without AMP? And how do you explain the judder I see from 25fps sources? If you don't want to argue then quit arguing. Maybe realize that not everyone's set acts exactly like yours.
i just posted how. once the signal is detected, JS8500 is capable of custom 24Hz and 50Hz refresh rates. please provide your trouble causing 25fps source.
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I just got a 55 inch js8500 yesterday as a bestbuy replacement for my sony 850a that kicked the bucket. I noticed in the top left corner i do get some clouding on darker scenes. Any suggestions on what to do? Not sure if all of them have it ot if it's a defect. Maybe I have the settings messed up.
check the 1st post in this thread for some custom settings to start with.
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I'm simultaneously seriously angry and seriously depressed about this whole situation. The pics Snipeuout and Prme19 posted show, to me, that these new builds and the old builds really are not the same TV. The worst thing about it is this is as good as it gets for my budget so there's nothing I can even do about it besides buy an inferior TV.
I've not seen any thing like this on my set and it's a Jan 2016 build.
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i just posted how. once the signal is detected, JS8500 is capable of custom 24Hz and 50Hz refresh rates. please provide your trouble causing 25fps source.
I'm fairly certain that even though your TV says 24, 30, 50 or 60p that just refers to the signal it's receiving but since it's a 120hz panel it will always be displayed at 120hz. If TVs were capable of actually displaying at a different refresh rate than what the panel is rated at then why is it that 60hz panels struggle so much with 24fps content? (It's because it has to perform a 3:2 pull down to show at 60hz.) This is why 120hz panels rate so well on motion, because 24 is easily interpolated to 120. 25 is not.

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I'm fairly certain that even though your TV says 24, 30, 50 or 60p that just refers to the signal it's receiving but since it's a 120hz panel it will always be displayed at 120hz.
and again, you're wrong but i'm not going to repeat myself for the 3rd time. i'm going to request, for the 3rd time, that 25p source though.
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I asked this a week ago and didn't get any responses. I wanted to try once more before I am out of my return period if necessary. Does anyone have any thoughts on what this is? Thanks!

I have something (an imperfection) underneath the glass on my screen that looks like a white dot. Well it looks like a white dot when the tv is off. It turns into a dark spot when the screen is on. It is circular (maybe not perfectly circular) and is about 1-1.2 mm in diameter. It almost looks like an air bubble.

You can not see it from afar - on or off. You can see it up close but moreso when the tv is off. But you can see it when it is on also. You just have to be close - within a few feet. Pictures don't come out very well at night because of glare. But I just discovered my magnifying app (iPhone app) can take pictures. So I've posted a few of those below. Now that I look at the magnified pics, it almost looks like the thing has spiky things on its outside perimeter. And now I can see a dark spot in the middle of the "white".

Does anyone recognize this type of imperfection from your own set or previous posts from others?

* as mentioned the pics were taken with a magnifying app. They look much worse in these pics than in person.
Your tv is bad. Replace it!
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Is it visible with the content?
It does doesn't it? It is not visible with content. Should I still replace it?
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and again, you're wrong but i'm not going to repeat myself for the 3rd time. i'm going to request, for the 3rd time, that 25p source though.
A few high quality sources I downloaded from Usenet. Im not going to link it because I'm fairly certain it would break the TOS and I'm not going to elaborate for reasons I'm sure you can understand.

Before you go and say "well you need a good source like Blu-Ray" save it. Streaming and watching videos from my PC are the only 25fps content I ever watch. It's not as though I'm going to be watching PAL Blu-rays.

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It does doesn't it? It is not visible with content. Should I still replace it?
I have read almost every post this forum since December, when I was deciding between a Sony and a Samsung. Bought the JS8500 55" in January during the sales before the NFL playoffs. It has a fantastic display. Using denpom's settings. No blue corners, clouding, etc. and blacks are awesome. My old set was a ccfl Samsung 46" that was about 4 years old. What a difference! And we sit about 10 feet away, which works very well. This forum had me worried when I was reading about all of the issues you guys were having, but that was mostly for the bigger set. And I deduced that a lot of the issues seemed much worse the closer someone sat to the TV. I just wanted to add another positive review for the 55 inch set. It rocks!!
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Hello,

I want to know black level good or no ? or just like normal led lcd screen ?

If good does it compete with plasma ?

I registered only for this this question

I am planning to buy KS7000
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I want to know black level good or no ? or just like normal led lcd screen ?

If good does it compete with plasma ?

I registered only for this this question

I am planning to buy KS7000
Depends on whether you win the panel lottery or not.

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