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Sounds like a plan. Other thing I should've asked - is your Roku using WiFi or plugged in?
WiFi but I don't really see a dip in quality during the movies due to Speed. I'll check Hardwired and see if there's any changes

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WiFi but I don't really see a dip in quality during the movies due to Speed. I'll check Hardwired and see if there's any changes

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I have the UN65JS8500 with no cable box or satellite period. As soon as I turn on my tv I have a black and grey loud static TV source with no signal. When I try changing it to HDMI1 or another input it will not let me, it says nothing detected or weak signal because my game console is not turn on. Is there anyway I can install or get a picture as a background? Or anything but that static. Even when I put on smart hub the static still in background until I choose something. Please help me! I do have good WiFi internet connection.
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Would turning off HDR help with the banding problem?
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Cool. I'm interested to see what happens.
I tried it Hardwired and Nothing changes, same banding issues.
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Would turning off HDR help with the banding problem?
I put the ROKU to just 4K instead of 4K HDR and still same issue.

I even tried ROKU directly to TV and seemed a bit worse compared to ROKU>Receiver>TV.

Not sure why but maybe this Movie was just meant to look like crap. It's noticeable on other Movies, Streaming, but not to obvious like in this Movie.

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I just removed my Roku all together and now streaming my shows like Netflix and Hulu thought the TVs smart hub, running with 4K and HDR I have noticed significant better picture quality. Also thinking about picking up an Apple TV 4K I hear good things about it and I do have already iPads and movies through iTunes. Has anyone here have the new Apple 4K tv with the 65js8500? This might also fix my static tv source issue if I just run Apple TV now stop with the background as the apples tv screensaver being my pics from my phone. Please let me know if anyone has tried the new Apple 4K tv with this TV. Thank you to all and I love this thread and how everyone has good inputs! Ty to all!!!
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Saw commercial today for Westworld coming out on 4k on Nov 7. I loved that show. Hope they broadcast the new season in 4k. I really got Hooked on the first season, saw every show at least 3 times.
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Saw commercial today for Westworld coming out on 4k on Nov 7. I loved that show. Hope they broadcast the new season in 4k. I really got Hooked on the first season, saw every show at least 3 times.
I might be a bit out of the loop, but who's broadcasting anything in 4k at this point? I ditched cable awhile back, but didn't realize this was a thing yet...
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No.

First off, I do not recommend simply "copying" someone else’s settings as every TV (even the same model), every pair of eyes, and every viewing environment will be different. You can always use someone else's shared settings as a starting point if you want, however, understand that those settings won't look exactly the same on your TV and, in some cases, might actually make your picture look worse.

Now as to your TV settings,

>These are my recommended TV settings for viewing HDR content<


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Thanks for all your help and input in this thread King Richard! I can't believe this thread is still going strong, when I first got my TV I frequented here a lot. Anyway, looking to play with my TV again a bit after picking up a few UHD titles. I just watched The Last Knight and it looked stunning, best UHD I've seen yet I think.

Had a few quick questions, hoping you can help.

When the TV is in HDR mode, does it remember the settings that are changed and not apply them when HDR mode is turned off? For example, you suggested increasing Gamma to 1 or 2, do you do this manually each time you watch HDR content or does it remember and go back after?

I saw your settings for HDR content here but do you have suggestions on how to set the other settings? Brightness, color, etc. I see the black bars at the top and bottom slightly and wondering if I have my brightness too high for HDR.

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I tried it Hardwired and Nothing changes, same banding issues.I put the ROKU to just 4K instead of 4K HDR and still same issue.

I even tried ROKU directly to TV and seemed a bit worse compared to ROKU>Receiver>TV.

Not sure why but maybe this Movie was just meant to look like crap. It's noticeable on other Movies, Streaming, but not to obvious like in this Movie.

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You are seeing compression artifacts that are due to the lack of healthy bitrates from streaming and broadcast services, that's why you see a lot less banding on Blu-ray (8 bit, but with higher bitrates) and almost none at all on UHD Blu-ray (10 or 12 bit plus higher bitrates).

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Not sure why but maybe this Movie was just meant to look like crap. It's noticeable on other Movies, Streaming, but not to obvious like in this Movie.
Did you rent this? And where did you watch it? I might try and take a look too...has me curious.

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Did you rent this? And where did you watch it? I might try and take a look too...has me curious.
47 Meters down streamed Via Roku Premiere+ with 4k HDR display

I've checked on some reviews for the Blu-ray disc and they all have good Picture quality, one had 4/5 stars

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47 Meters down streamed Via Roku Premiere+ with 4k HDR display

I've checked on some reviews for the Blu-ray disc and they all have good Picture quality, one had 4/5 stars

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Yeah - I was looking at the BD tech specs for the movie earlier and most said the PQ was good (I also saw 4/5 in places).

I've got a Premiere+ also so I'll check this out and see what kind of PQ I get.
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HDR won't work, Xbox One X

Trying my first HDR device, an Xbox One X, and it won't go to HDR. Running through a Denon AVR-X2300W, all cables say high speed...

Is there a specific input on the oneconnect box for HDR? Or a setting I missed?

Hopefully I don't have to start trial and error testing every cable.....
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In Picture Options did you enable HDMI UHD Color for the Xbox HDMI input (your AVR input)?
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In Picture Options did you enable HDMI UHD Color for the Xbox HDMI input (your AVR input)?
I bet I didn't. I'll try it tonight, fingers crossed! Thanks for the quick reply.
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That did the trick, thanks for the tip!
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I might be a bit out of the loop, but who's broadcasting anything in 4k at this point? I ditched cable awhile back, but didn't realize this was a thing yet...
Its coming out on UHD Bluray this week.
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I might be a bit out of the loop, but who's broadcasting anything in 4k at this point? I ditched cable awhile back, but didn't realize this was a thing yet...
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Do Harmony IR remotes work with this TV for more than powering on and off or do you need one with a hub like the Harmony Smart Control?

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Do Harmony IR remotes work with this TV for more than powering on and off or do you need one with a hub like the Harmony Smart Control?
All Harmony remotes going back to the Model 720 work with the JS8500.
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All Harmony remotes going back to the Model 720 work with the JS8500.
Oh so the 650 wouldn’t work then?
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Oh so the 650 wouldn’t work then?
It should...the TV accepts IR commands for all functions. I’ve personally only tested as far back as the 720.
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Oh so the 650 wouldn’t work then?
I use the 650 now and it works just fine.
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That did the trick, thanks for the tip!
A few other Xbox One X tips for the JS8500:

-- As Malicious mentioned, make sure it is plugged into HDMI 1 and that HDMI UHD Color is on for that input
-- HDR content will auto switch the Brightness to 20 and the Contrast to 100; do not change this (it will go back to your regular settings when you go back to non-HDR content)
-- Turn Smart LED to High; you may notice some flickering, but it's the best way to get close to true HDR on these 2015 sets
-- Change the color space to Native when viewing HDR content in order to get the wide color gamut
-- The Xbox One UI has a pretty nice calibration tool (if you don't want to pay for professional calibration)
-- Make sure your settings on the Xbox one are correct; there are a number of articles and Microsoft support pages with information on doing this correctly

Hope that helps! (If anybody disagrees, please feel free to voice your disagreement. I'm always trying to learn)
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A few other Xbox One X tips for the JS8500:

-- As Malicious mentioned, make sure it is plugged into HDMI 1 and that HDMI UHD Color is on for that input
-- HDR content will auto switch the Brightness to 20 and the Contrast to 100; do not change this (it will go back to your regular settings when you go back to non-HDR content)
-- Turn Smart LED to High; you may notice some flickering, but it's the best way to get close to true HDR on these 2015 sets
-- Change the color space to Native when viewing HDR content in order to get the wide color gamut
-- The Xbox One UI has a pretty nice calibration tool (if you don't want to pay for professional calibration)
-- Make sure your settings on the Xbox one are correct; there are a number of articles and Microsoft support pages with information on doing this correctly

Hope that helps! (If anybody disagrees, please feel free to voice your disagreement. I'm always trying to learn)

I would also:
Make sure sharpness is turned down to 21 or less for any UHD HDR.
Always use Cinema Black ON so that letter boxes are pure black given your display is calibrated and set at NORMAL HDMI Black Level (Full 0-255)and not LOW (Limited 16-235).
Use RGB FULL (0-255) for EVERYTHING else also. (Software like Kodi, GPU, etc.)
Do use Standard Picture Mode always.
Set Dynamic Contrast to MEDIUM.
Understanding highly subjective (why I have no idea?) Use 'Smooth' Auto Motion Plus setting. Panning scenes and news channel ticker tapes will result in smooth motion.
Do not Edit Device Type for HDMI input as many suggest like 'PC' for example, even though you do have your PC GPU plugged into it. Leave it in a default mode like 'Blu-ray' for example.
Do calibrate these panels after setting the above 1st. Brightness and Contrast is all that is really needed. Calibrate all the modes you use separately as each mode has its own memory for calibration. (calibrating one mode has no affect on another) Don't rely on defaults. 3D is a mode. 2D is another. HDR is another. For 3D, play anything and use the built in convert to 3D 2D>3D to get in 3D mode with your glasses on. https://lifehacker.com/5858625/how-t...inutes-or-less
If you don't want to hassle with the disc, I think youtube has the two test patterns for brightness and contrast to use.
You should end up around 93 Contrast and 46 Brightness for all modes give or take slightly. HDR contrast 100 for full nit value. Sharpness will be significantly different varying from 21 to 71 depending the mode and the source. TV calibration (like cable TV from an STB or antennae) will be significantly different. These suggestions are for PC to the JS8500.
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When playing an HDR movie/video, your "Backlight" and "Contrast" settings will be automatically "maxed-out".

For UHD Blu-rays and streaming, make sure you set your X-Box One S to output at 30bit per pixel (10-bit) and Standard RGB (NOT Full RGB).

As for the TV settings...

Set "Picture Mode" to "Movie"

Set "Color Space" to "Auto"

Set "Smart LED" to "High"

Set "Dynamic Contrast" to "Medium" (or "High")

Set "Black Tone" to "OFF"

"Gamma": Some HDR content may require you to raise the "Gamma Correction" Control by a few points if the picture is too dark and shadow detail is being lost into black ('crushed blacks').

"Sharpness" should be no higher than "15"

"Digital Clean View" and "MPEG Noise Filter" should be set to "OFF" (not "Auto")

"Fit to screen" should be set to "ON" (not "Auto")

The "HDMI UHD Color" setting, which only applies to the HDMI inputs, should be set to "ON" when viewing HDR content from a UHD Player connected to one of the HDMI inputs.


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Game mode does not degrade your picture. It does however have some crazy default picture settings that make the picture look bad but there is a solution. You write down all of your settings for "movie" picture mode, then turn on your gaming system and put the TV into game mode. Now you enter your "movie" picture mode settings into game mode. I recommend for SDR gaming set your color temperature to warm 1. When gaming in HDR set your color tone to "warm 1", your gamma to +2 and dynamic contrast to "medium". Remember that game mode keeps different settings for each HDMI input. Here are my picture settings as an example:

SDR gaming\ HDR gaming

Picture Mode = Game
Backlight = 10\ 10
Contrast = 89\ 89
Brightness = 44\ 44
Sharpness = 20\ 20 * (higher sharpness makes your picture look like poo, use something between 6 and 20) *
Color = 50\ 50
Tint = G50\R50 \ G50\R50
Picture Size = 16:9\ 16:9
Fit To Screen = On\ On

Advanced Settings:

Dynamic Contrast = Low\ Medium
Black Tone = Off\ Off
Flesh Tone = 0\ 0
Color Space = Auto\ Auto
Gamma = 0\ +2

Picture Options:

Color Tone = Warm 1\ Warm 1
HDMI UHD Color = Off\ On * (for HDR Gaming this MUST be on) *
Smart LED = Standard\ Standard

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Damn, seems So complicated with all these different Video inputs and Video settings!

Bluray 1 setting
Streaming 2nd setting
UHD with HDR 3rd setting
DVD 4th setting
Standard Broadcasting 5th setting
Gaming 6th setting

For my PS4 Pro I just turn On the Game Mode and leave as is. Haven't had any issues with that mode and games look beautiful.

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Damn, seems So complicated with all these different Video inputs and Video settings!

Bluray 1 setting
Streaming 2nd setting
UHD with HDR 3rd setting
DVD 4th setting
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For my PS4 Pro I just turn On the Game Mode and leave as is. Haven't had any issues with that mode and games look beautiful.

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It's how to use a 'smart' display and get the most out of our investment imo. No one said you have to do it if it's too complicated. Rather than complain, enjoy your game just the way it is. Many of us use our displays well beyond playing games on it. These particular displays are more high end than most realize or give credit to. Tweaking them for high performance is enjoyable for some but if it bothers the community because it introduces complications, I for one will keep my thoughts to myself and sorry for intruding. Carry on......
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I love this TV and all but I’m getting envious of the newer ones. Can someone be up front with me , would it really be worth an extra 3k for like a new Qled or OLED? Or is this tv going to be pretty comparable?

I feel like OLED is an upgrade but not sure if it’s a 3 thousand dollar one...
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