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post #24061 of 24129 Old 12-04-2019, 11:36 AM
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That is the purpose of HDR. If you don’t like it on this TV then I don’t know what to say, this TV doesn’t even get very bright compared to newer models and certainly doesn’t get as dark as OLEDs.
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Seems like the dark areas lack detail, black crush? I am viewing in a dark room. I am watching Goliath on Prime and find my non-hdr 1080p Sony easier to watch.

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Thank you for the reply.

Seems like the dark areas lack detail, black crush? I am viewing in a dark room. I am watching Goliath on Prime and find my non-hdr 1080p Sony easier to watch.
You could have your black level setting set wrong. Try changing it to the other setting and see if that solves it. Otherwise your brightness could be too low. Try some of the calibration settings linked on the first page of this thread. I would suggest the Prime95 settings for Movie mode. I find that the Denpom settings crush blacks.
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Thank you for the reply.

Seems like the dark areas lack detail, black crush? I am viewing in a dark room. I am watching Goliath on Prime and find my non-hdr 1080p Sony easier to watch.

If you don't like HDR on the JS8500, you can turn it off (via the HDR+ mode in the Expert Settings).



I do agree with you that some material has highlights that are painfully bright on this TV. I have always hated bright lights, and my mild cataracts don't help.



Anyway, I suspect that the problem is worse on streaming content and that UHD movies on disk look a lot better. I watched 'The Martian' UHD disk at a friends and it was spectacular.
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If you don't like HDR on the JS8500, you can turn it off (via the HDR+ mode in the Expert Settings).



I do agree with you that some material has highlights that are painfully bright on this TV. I have always hated bright lights, and my mild cataracts don't help.



Anyway, I suspect that the problem is worse on streaming content and that UHD movies on disk look a lot better. I watched 'The Martian' UHD disk at a friends and it was spectacular.
That I don’t understand at all, I’ve been pretty underwhelmed by the brightness of the HDR on this set compared to newer ones. I find that 4k discs tend to get a bit brighter but not by a lot. Video games tend to look the brightest but still not like newer sets. I also have mild cataracts but these TVs don’t bother me, maybe it’s because I use bias lighting.
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That I don’t understand at all, I’ve been pretty underwhelmed by the brightness of the HDR on this set compared to newer ones. I find that 4k discs tend to get a bit brighter but not by a lot. Video games tend to look the brightest but still not like newer sets. I also have mild cataracts but these TVs don’t bother me, maybe it’s because I use bias lighting.
Perhaps I have my brightness settings significantly higher than yours, or my TV is brighter than yours, or my eyes react to brighter scenes differently than yours. But what I also think is that Amazon and Netflix have some shows where the HDR settings are wrong. Or they were wrong several years ago, I turned off HDR 3 years ago because I disliked it so much.
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Perhaps I have my brightness settings significantly higher than yours, or my TV is brighter than yours, or my eyes react to brighter scenes differently than yours. But what I also think is that Amazon and Netflix have some shows where the HDR settings are wrong. Or they were wrong several years ago, I turned off HDR 3 years ago because I disliked it so much.
The metadata automatically cranks my TV to 20 backlight and 100 contrast. I even have dynamic contrast on and at medium. I have my brightness at 45 but that’s for black levels. I have never seen a show on Netflix or amazon that had the HDR settings wrong. Some do it better than others but I haven’t seen “wrong”.

Anyways outlets have tested these TVs and the peak luminance is significantly lower than the 1000nits standard for HDR 10. I believe it was somewhere around 600 nits. So quite disappointingly dim.
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The metadata automatically cranks my TV to 20 backlight and 100 contrast. I even have dynamic contrast on and at medium. I have my brightness at 45 but that’s for black levels. I have never seen a show on Netflix or amazon that had the HDR settings wrong. Some do it better than others but I haven’t seen “wrong”.



Anyways outlets have tested these TVs and the peak luminance is significantly lower than the 1000nits standard for HDR 10. I believe it was somewhere around 600 nits. So quite disappointingly dim.


This TV was released in 2015 before HDR spec was finalized. It was known that its brightness was below the the HDR spec.


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I have the js9500 and finally will replace with the 75 950g
HDR in these sets very subpar
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This TV was released in 2015 before HDR spec was finalized. It was known that its brightness was below the the HDR spec.


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Yes...It doesn’t get as bright as newer sets, which is my point.
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...I have never seen a show on Netflix or amazon that had the HDR settings wrong. Some do it better than others but I haven’t seen “wrong”...
By wrong, I mean that I thought Man in the High Castle looks a lot better with HDR turned off than when it is turned on. By wrong, I also mean that the HDR subtitles in Netflix are too bright and have bleeding halos. As I said, I though the HDR in the UHD Disk version of 'The Martian' looked amazing, so I just assumed that the problems with streaming Netflix and Amazon were mistakes.


However, it is beginning to sound as though the issue is me. I really do not like HDR on this set, but I really like SDR on it. Perhaps when I upgrade (soon) to a current TV, I will like HDR on that set.
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Hdr dosent have a standard even till today!! Theres no such thing as an hdr spec being finalized...
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Folks, I've gone to the dark side [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] Just bought a 77inch C9 OLED. Will continue to visit this thread as I still have the JS8500. It will be a secondary TV in my bedroom. JS8500 is still a great TV especially with 3D. But I'm looking forward for perfect blacks and infinite contrast.
Same. Well, 65" LG B9 OLED as of last week. And couldn't be happier. Probably done with Samsung sets for the time being.
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Well, it's been over a year and a half since the last one, but just now my js8000 updated its software to 1550 (previously 1530) in UK. Who knows what's been fixed/improved/added or broken, they never seem to release notes, but if anyone does see any effects of this update I'd be very interested to read about them here. Thanking you all in advance. Cris.
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Any word on the new update and what it does or did to the picture?
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Any word on the new update and what it does or did to the picture?
I've not noticed anything yet (that's probably a good thing), I'm hoping that the occasional stutter/judder that I get at seemingly random times has been improved. That would be about the only thing that I imagine could be improved upon in this TV, generally I still love it.



I was hoping others would chip in with any observations.


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....or removed some apps.

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I have the js9500 and finally will replace with the 75 950g
HDR in these sets very subpar
Make sure eco sensor and energy savings are turned off when watching HDR.
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Any word on the new update and what it does or did to the picture?

Ok, I found an article that explains the update...

https://www.avforums.com/news/samsun...-iplayer.16931
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Aha, could this be what I've been looking for all along?
(dated product, wonder if it works with 4k)



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Aha, could this be what I've been looking for all along?
(dated product, wonder if it works with 4k)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTznVnXNFrE
Wow, it looks like the company never produced it or went bust, probably because 2012 3D TVs were becoming the standard and therefore their box was no longer needed. Fast forward to now and I reckon these would sell like hot cakes. There's still a demand and no 3D TVs being produced. I wonder if the owners of this 3D Now system are working on bring this out any time. If I had the money, I'd buy the company and make a fortune.
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Wow, it looks like the company never produced it or went bust, probably because 2012 3D TVs were becoming the standard and therefore their box was no longer needed. Fast forward to now and I reckon these would sell like hot cakes. There's still a demand and no 3D TVs being produced. I wonder if the owners of this 3D Now system are working on bring this out any time. If I had the money, I'd buy the company and make a fortune.
What I find interesting is that it shows you don't actually need a different panel to enable 3D. It's the electronics, RF emitter, and Bluetooth-enabled glasses.

They still have a website.
http://3dnow.com/
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Anyone around here still using a JS8500? I just downloaded the 1540.3 update to a usb stick and wanted to ask here first if anyone using 1540.3 has seen any problems or degradation.


I've been on 1530 for quite a while, as the TV has said there isn't any updates.


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Manufacturer Updates

So what your opinions of Manufacturers possibly including older tvs(5-6 years) in their firmware/software updates to intentionally slow them down and muck up their workings, in order to get people to upgrade their sets?


I have a Samsung JS8500 55" that after a long while, I just found an update online for. Currently running the 1530 update and I see they have 1540 on the website. I'm somewhat skeptical about trying it, since you can't go back. The TV is so old it seems, it's not being talked about in the forum any more, so reviews of the 1540 is nil.


Would appreciate any feedback if you're still rockin' a JS8500.
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The TV is so old it seems, it's not being talked about in the forum any more
Your TV is not that old and you just posted in the forum thread for it so why make a new thread?


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So what your opinions of Manufacturers possibly including older tvs(5-6 years) in their firmware/software updates to intentionally slow them down and muck up their workings, in order to get people to upgrade their sets?


I have a Samsung JS8500 55" that after a long while, I just found an update online for. Currently running the 1530 update and I see they have 1540 on the website. I'm somewhat skeptical about trying it, since you can't go back. The TV is so old it seems, it's not being talked about in the forum any more, so reviews of the 1540 is nil.


Would appreciate any feedback if you're still rockin' a JS8500.
1540 firmware has been out for over a year.

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1540 firmware has been out for over a year.

I guess this is the first time in over year since I've checked with Samsung support myself for an update instead of having the tv search for a new update.


I'll take the opinions on how I went about trying to find 1540 user reviews. How about throwing in some first hand experience with 1540 too, if you folks have any. Thanks.
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Hi all, I have the UN65JS8500 model and I was hoping somebody on here could help me with the simplist solution to be able to cast ESPN + or similar apps to the TV. The TV doesn't show up in any apps for casting and does not show up for screen mirroring either. I really need to be able to cast to this TV for espn PPV's, etc while entertaining. I'm sort of a novice so any advice please provide some detail instructions. Much appreciated!
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Hi all, I have the UN65JS8500 model and I was hoping somebody on here could help me with the simplist solution to be able to cast ESPN + or similar apps to the TV. The TV doesn't show up in any apps for casting and does not show up for screen mirroring either. I really need to be able to cast to this TV for espn PPV's, etc while entertaining. I'm sort of a novice so any advice please provide some detail instructions. Much appreciated!
AirBeamTV sells a $4.99 app called Mirror for Samsung TV which you could try if you haven't already (I've never tried it so I can't give firsthand feedback) -- according to the developer it's supposed to work "on any Samsung Smart TV from the 2012 models onward," but it won't work if your ESPN+ app (or others) use Digital Rights Management (DRM) protection. From what I read, it also may only work if you first download the free Dolphin Mobile Browser and mirror via that browser. Check out the following links for more info:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=ZaSlVw5a4lk (Mirror for Samsung TV YouTube video)

https://www.airbeam.tv/mirror-iphone...creen/samsung/ (Mirror for Samsung TV developer main page -- scroll down the page to view the installation guide)

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mirror...v/id1249385711 (Mirror for Samsung TV in App Store)

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dolphi...er/id634693702 (Dolphin Mobile Browser in App Store)

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Can someone tell me if this tv supports HDCP 2.2? I was looking to purchase a Roku Ultra and I read that if the tv didn’t support it then 4K content wouldn’t work.


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