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Personally I think the 79x900b is leap years better pic the the new 850c series. I can't get the C series to look as good as the b series. The black levels and contrast on the 900B series is much better than the new 850c series IMO
Which 850C's are you dealing with? Don't forget the 79X900B is an IPS panel. I have heard of bad Edge bleed and gray bleacks, and wouldn't want to get stuck with the 79X900B if it was bad. I wouldn't be able to return it to the place I found it for the steal price at, I don't think they like me for returning a 65X900B and 2 65X950B's last year...
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Which 850C's are you dealing with? Don't forget the 79X900B is an IPS panel. I have heard of bad Edge bleed and gray bleacks, and wouldn't want to get stuck with the 79X900B if it was bad. I wouldn't be able to return it to the place I found it for the steal price at, I don't think they like me for returning a 65X900B and 2 65X950B's last year...
What was wrong with the X950B's?
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What was wrong with the X950B's?
They were trying to replace the Pioneer KRP-600M and they both had Edge Bleeding and banding...
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I didnt know there is supposed tobe a 75" JS8500. Any links or expected release date? Thx.
The 75" version is actually modeled js8600. Mid June is the word. No links yet just people who have inside knowledge and official samsung spec sheets given to them by Samsung reps. IMO expect it to be 7-8k. Probably 8k.
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7.9 score...great...wish it was 8.3 or above to make me feel better about the X850C vs JU7100....now I'm rethinking again.
After Samsung fried my UN55F9000 4ktv 2 weeks ago I will never buy another Samsung product again, their customer service is the worst to. It was their 1240 firmware update that knocked the whole model out, system boards fried, one connect devices useless. I am happy so far with my choice in the XBR-55X850C, great picture, better color than the Samsung, and no more weird lighting on the corners like the Samsung had. Stick with the Sony you won't regret it.
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First off their conclusion is that it's a great 4K TV. Hardly a dud. Secondly, most viewers would consider the mentioned strong points to be of more importance than the mentioned weak points. The fact that the 55" was reviewed strikes me as a poor choice because we've already seen many Sony and other brands sporting edge lit technology reviewed. The direct lit non local dimming would have been a unique and more interesting review. Projected street price for the xc series by Fall should make these Sony's very popular. As far as off axis viewing, that is par for the course with VA panels unless the 55" is not VA.
On the 55X850C with 3877:1 contrast and .026 cd/m2 black (no FALD ) obviously the 55X850C is an VA panel (as opposed to the 55X850B S IPS ....my guess is AUO AMVA.

Samsungs S PVA panels *usually measure a little better.* .OTOH keep in mind Sony *usually buys *LCD cells* from the vendors and has Foxconn assemble and or fabricate the back light/edge light modules and (likely the panel frame) and screw them on to the LCD cells making them panels and keeping that in mind they *could be better* or worse than a Samsung or AUO similar panel .

OTOH those 55X850C numbers are not bad at all and black is excellent as LCD goes .


At the same time 55X850C is apparently good enough by the numbers and probably has the usual superlative Sony color to offset any minor issues and not obsess over the numbers and instead go *see* one or take your chances on line .

I might add *as 1080p goes my 2013 Sony has a better panel ( although I wouldn't expect the 55x850C to be far off at all looking at the numbers)
if that's true and everything else holds up as I would expect and you get one .....it will be best in class hands down and a significant improvement over the 2014 55X850B

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7.9 score...great...wish it was 8.3 or above to make me feel better about the X850C vs JU7100....now I'm rethinking again.
7.9 is not bad, wish it was lil more too.

Is that true? The pictures does not start where the bezel is? I do not like that at all.
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7.9 is not bad, wish it was lil more too.

Is that true? The pictures does not start where the bezel is? I do not like that at all.
No, not bad...just wish it was a clear winner to not be concerning at all. I'm surprised at the 720p upscaling and grey test.

One thing though that the X850C has is triluminous while the JU7100 does not have SUHD technology. X850C also beat 7100 on contrast/black levels

Two questions though to anyone who has the experience:

1. 20 degree viewing angle is awfully small (rtings video makes it look like you are outside 20 degrees sitting on arm of a couch that is directly facing the TV) and rtings has been giving out these numbers which are likely correct...however, when I go to BB and look at the JU7100 for example...I don't see the color fade at all practically compared to the youtube video they show. Will have to see X850C in stores today.

2. I'm usually a PC gamer (monitor has 2ms response time) but I'll start playing PS4 on this TV (sports games and some shooters - nothing too competitive). Is 40ms gonna be huge? Example: If I'm playing MLB The Show are my swings going to feel really really late?

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Personally I think the 79x900b is leap years better pic the the new 850c series. I can't get the C series to look as good as the b series. The black levels and contrast on the 900B series is much better than the new 850c series IMO
Apples and oranges. The 900B series is a much more expensive TV.
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No, not bad...just wish it was a clear winner to not be concerning at all. I'm surprised at the 720p upscaling and grey test.

One thing though that the X850C has is triluminous while the JU7100 does not have SUHD technology. X850C also beat 7100 on contrast/black levels

Two questions though to anyone who has the experience:

1. 20 degree viewing angle is awfully small (rtings video makes it look like you are outside 20 degrees sitting on arm of a couch that is directly facing the TV) and rtings has been giving out these numbers which are likely correct...however, when I go to BB and look at the JU7100 for example...I don't see the color fade at all practically compared to the youtube video they show. Will have to see X850C in stores today.

2. I'm usually a PC gamer (monitor has 2ms response time) but I'll start playing PS4 on this TV (sports games and some shooters - nothing too competitive). Is 40ms gonna be huge? Example: If I'm playing MLB The Show are my swings going to feel really really late?
They gave the 7100 an 8.3. I am gonna wait for the JS8500 Review which has SUHD. I really want the Sony but ima be patient, especially if im spending $5K. Plus I'm a big gamer and 39 input lag is pretty high. I just wish the JS8500 75" came with the full Connect One box rather than the mini.
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7.9 is not bad, wish it was lil more too.

Is that true? The pictures does not start where the bezel is? I do not like that at all.
The picture may be from a PC and simply not scaled in the PC GPU or IPGU software controller to the edge of the panel I've never seen a modern Sony *natively* like that beyond maybe 1/8" - 3/8" (normal) that U don't see much beyond 2 ft.anyway , it could *also happen in varying degrees on *any source/input if TV [home >settings > screen>display area >pixels] setting are not set right to the source and picture /scene mode ) i.e.usually full pixel or [full pixel default] or +1 or [+1 default ] with [full pixel] meaning 1:1 pixel . lotta times on old phat bezel sets that was covered .
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They gave the 7100 an 8.3. I am gonna wait for the JS8500 Review which has SUHD. I really want the Sony but ima be patient, especially if im spending $5K. Plus I'm a big gamer and 39 input lag is pretty high. I just wish the JS8500 75" came with the full Connect One box rather than the mini.
For that kind of phat money I would do the same thing and make sure I got the best thing I liked the most not to mention those phat Sammys are bound to be good
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No, not bad...just wish it was a clear winner to not be concerning at all. I'm surprised at the 720p upscaling and grey test.

One thing though that the X850C has is triluminous while the JU7100 does not have SUHD technology. X850C also beat 7100 on contrast/black levels
Contrast/ black are 2 of the *most important * things to look for and TBH I thought the x850C should have been higher on the contrast number and a (little) lower on min black at the rtings.com review maybe they are still using AUO panels (probably cheaper) ,The Samsung panels usually measure the best my 2013 Sony has one and it beats the x850C min black ( a little ) and beats up the X850C dark room and contrast numbers much more so and about the same on bright at rtings

OTOH numbers (aren't bad ) but since 4K is not an issue (yet 4 me) and my 2013 beats it up at 1080p I wont likely be getting one ( maybe see what shakes out in 2016 - maybe 2016 Samsung if they don't wise up and start using Samsung LCD cells again ?

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Talking My OLD TV IS better than fill in the blank

Well I just want everybody to know that my SONY KV-40XBR800 FD Trinitron has much better blacks and contrast and just blows this POS out of the water. What does this have to do with this TV and if you should buy it you ask. Not a Darn thing. I just like hearing myself talk and I love being condescending to all the common folks like. I'll be back later to tell you about all of my old TV's that you can't buy anymore later on tonight.
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Personally I think the 79x900b is leap years better pic the the new 850c series. I can't get the C series to look as good as the b series. The black levels and contrast on the 900B series is much better than the new 850c series IMO
Based on what I read of the review the overall score could change based on the apps getting released. He noted he would be updating the review after that.

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2. I'm usually a PC gamer (monitor has 2ms response time) but I'll start playing PS4 on this TV (sports games and some shooters - nothing too competitive). Is 40ms gonna be huge? Example: If I'm playing MLB The Show are my swings going to feel really really late?
The vast majority of gamers will not notice 40ms. You are talking about 4 hundredths of a second.
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Well I just want everybody to know that my SONY KV-40XBR800 FD Trinitron has much better blacks and contrast and just blows this POS out of the water. What does this have to do with this TV and if you should buy it you ask. Not a Darn thing. I just like hearing myself talk and I love being condescending to all the common folks like. I'll be back later to tell you about all of my old TV's that you can't buy anymore later on tonight.
What flipp'n hole did you crawl out of with your big 20 posts ?
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Based on what I read of the review the overall score could change based on the apps getting released. He noted he would be updating the review after that.


The vast majority of gamers will not notice 40ms. You are talking about 4 hundredths of a second.
Are you a gamer? Even 20ms is noticeable in an FPS. Let me guess, you can't see anything over 60 fps either? And theres no reason to have 24-bit flac files because you can't hear the difference?
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I wish they had reviewed the 65" model, since the 55" is edge lit.

The display lag is a little disconcerting, that's not typical for Sony. Maybe the W850C is a better choice for gamers right now. Though, to be fair, 40ms is less than you get with most of the competitors (except Vizio).
Not really as Samsung's 2015 lineup is in the low to mid 20 range and they used to be one of the worst.

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I think that everyone looking to get the 75" X850C should hold off until the Sammy JS8500 flat comes out. It is not curved, it is HDR capable and has a higher color gamut. Just sayin. IMO. Do not rush into spending $5K if you can just hold off another 6 weeks for some reviews and big Independence Day Sales
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I think that everyone looking to get the 75" X850C should hold off until the Sammy JS8500 flat comes out. It is not curved, it is HDR capable and has a higher color gamut. Just sayin. IMO. Do not rush into spending $5K if you can just hold off another 6 weeks for some reviews and big Independence Day Sales
Not seeing the 75X850C numbers or maybe anyway ......Considering the not so hot numbers of the 55x850C (partly maybe cheaper type AUO panel ? [lcd cell ] probably since it's Triluminous presumably with Sony /Foxconn lamp moduals ) and the 'other issues' noted that would be my thought also it's not like it looks remarkable on paper but rather more towards just average and maybe adequate to decent but nothing special(IMO) except maybe the usually superlative Sony color that is important .........OTOH I haven't *seen* the 55X850C either IMO the numbers aren't 'that bad ' that superior color ( a Sony staple) and 1080i/1080p upscale can't easily makeup for that in the market place... ofc I keep forgetting it's edge lit with some compromise that come with that .

OTOH on the 75X850C ( if it comes with a Samsung panel or maybe rear lighting or both ) that just may be one of it's major virtues and saving graces . For that kind of phatt money I would want to see a lot more than what I've read in the review of the 55x850B and certainly compare it to a 75" Samsung which I would probably do anyway the reviews on the phat Sammy and Sony 75's should be intereting

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Not seeing the 75X850C numbers or maybe anyway ......Considering the not so hot numbers of the 55x850C (partly maybe cheaper type AUO panel ? [lcd cell ] probably since it's Triluminous presumably with Sony /Foxconn lamp moduals ) and the 'other issues' noted that would be my thought also it's not like it looks remarkable on paper but rather more towards just average and maybe adequate to decent but nothing special(IMO) except maybe the usually superlative Sony color that is important .........OTOH I haven't *seen* the 55X850C either IMO the numbers aren't 'that bad ' that superior color ( a Sony staple) and 1080i/1080p upscale can't easily makeup for that in the market place... ofc I keep forgetting it's edge lit with some compromise that come with that .

OTOH on the 75X850C ( if it comes with a Samsung panel or maybe rear lighting or both ) that just may be one of it's major virtues and saving graces . For that kind of phatt money I would want to see a lot more than what I've read in the review of the 55x850B and certainly compare it to a 75" Samsung which I would probably do anyway the reviews on the phat Sammy and Sony 75's should be intereting
Yes the 55 is Edge lit, thats why I feel the 65 and 75 needs its own thread unfortunately, it is just too confusing. I would love to see a head to head between to 75850c and the 75 JS8600/8500. not sure which number one it will be but when I did a chat with Sammy yesterday the agent told me 8500 and due out in Mid June.
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Even 20ms is noticeable in an FPS.
Here is a quote from rtings on the subject:
An input lag of more than 50ms starts to be noticeable by competitive gamers, > 75ms by good gamers playing fast games and > 100ms by the majority of people. Anything more than 125ms renders fast games unplayable.

Here is a quote from cnet:
Lag of less the 40 milliseconds will be Good, between 40 and 70 Average, and more than 70 Poor. As usual these cutoffs are for general qualification only--even the twitchiest gamer can't tell the difference between a Good and Average TV if one is 39.9 and the other 40 milliseconds.

Here is the grading system from displaylag.com:
Great
This rating is more lenient, and most fast HDTVs will fit under this category. Displays rated under this category are very responsive for fast paced games, and will suit most of your gaming needs. This is the rating you should look for if you want a quality gaming display that does not skimp too much on the image quality. Only the most analytic gamers will be able to tell the difference between great and excellent displays.
Range: 21-41ms


In summary, I stand behind my comment that *most* gamers won't notice the input lag of the X850C at 39.5ms.

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OK,

Finally home and got to play with the XBR-75X850C a bit...

1. The TV was really buggy without the initial firmware update.
2. Firmware took about 30 minutes to install, still no Netflix...Picked up an open box FMP-X10, but haven't hooked it up yet.
2. Grey Screen Banding!!!!!!!!!!! I THOUGHT WE WERE OVER THIS....Luckily I haven't noticed this during content as of yet. Just on the Home Menus and stuff.
3. DSE as well...Didn't notice it on the Samsung, but I was so pissed off at the clouding I didn't evaluate the set much.
3. The picture doesn't pop like on the JU7100. It is your typical more accurate picture, but I can't help the feeling it looks washed out on Pro Cinema or Pro Home.
4. Black Screen Uniformity is much better than my JU7100, but I need to throw a test pattern up to confirm.
5. The upscaling problem for 720P sources is indeed happening to me as well. I set my TiVo box to upscale to 1080i instead of Native Resolutions to combat this right now.
6. Motion seems off. I can't put my finger on it. Sony really f'd with the menus and settings, everything seems to be different and some settings aren't present that were on the 2014 models.

My initial thoughts are that I should have gone for the 79X900B for $5400, but I have heard of many problems with that set too so I was scared off because I would have to deal with Sony for any issues as I couldn't have returned it to the store I could buy it at that price for...

I've only played with it for an hour or so right now, we will see if things change.

Also, having Pioneer plasma sets are a blessing and a curse. Having a 50" and 60" KRP-500M and KRP-600M make it difficult to like anything else. I've got to give this set some more time to grow on me though, I'm going to try Standard mode viewing and see how I like it compared to Pro Cinema or Home Cinema modes...

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What I would have like to have seen in the 55 X850C in the rtings review *altogether* that may end up the phatt price 65X850C and 75X850C are Samsung panel cell with higher transmittance ,contrast ,lower .MIL and Triluminous business end ,enhanced (brighter) back lights and improved panel dithering/pixel tuning and look ahead artifact/posturization/mosquito noise bit depth substitution alogrythems processing. (not asking for much

ofc with the new X1 whatever processor in the 55X850C and other 8X maybe some of the look ahead processing remediation is better on bit starved CATV/SAT digital re transmissions than the 2014 sets and can reduce (*real world) artifact/posturization and mosquito noise from CATV/SAT/IPTV sources that reviewers barely ever mention . OTOH maybe some of the members here can comment on that as they roll the new sets into thier spots

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OK,

Finally home and got to play with the XBR-75X850C a bit...

1. The TV was really buggy without the initial firmware update.
2. Firmware took about 30 minutes to install, still no Netflix...Picked up an open box FMP-X10, but haven't hooked it up yet.
2. Grey Screen Banding!!!!!!!!!!! I THOUGHT WE WERE OVER THIS....Luckily I haven't noticed this during content as of yet. Just on the Home Menus and stuff.
3. DSE as well...Didn't notice it on the Samsung, but I was so pissed off at the clouding I didn't evaluate the set much.
3. The picture doesn't pop like on the JU7100. It is your typical more accurate picture, but I can't help the feeling it looks washed out on Pro Cinema or Pro Home.
4. Black Screen Uniformity is much better than my JU7100, but I need to throw a test pattern up to confirm.
5. The upscaling problem for 720P sources is indeed happening to me as well. I set my TiVo box to upscale to 1080i instead of Native Resolutions to combat this right now.
6. Motion seems off. I can't put my finger on it. Sony really f'd with the menus and settings, everything seems to be different and some settings aren't present that were on the 2014 models.

My initial thoughts are that I should have gone for the 79X900B for $5400, but I have heard of many problems with that set too so I was scared off because I would have to deal with Sony for any issues as I couldn't have returned it to the store I could buy it at that price for...

I've only played with it for an hour or so right now, we will see if things change.

Also, having Pioneer plasma sets are a blessing and a curse. Having a 50" and 60" KRP-500M and KRP-600M make it difficult to like anything else. I've got to give this set some more time to grow on me though, I'm going to try Standard mode viewing and see how I like it compared to Pro Cinema or Home Cinema modes...
Gezz, your brief review does not sound comforting
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Gezz, your brief review does not sound comforting
Looks like R2D2 or whatever his name is ,is having probs.SRSLY too bad on such a presumably nice set and all

( or maybe he the problem ☻) either way ( I hope it ain't contagious at the factory ☻) .....you know like bird flu or something....or bad panels ..... maybe ask him how artifacts ,posturization and mosuito noise and stuff like that from CATV/SAT/IPTV and all that is for U to know ? I don't have room in here for that big boy and the big plasma in the other room is fine besides I'm to cheap to put that much large in a TV

Maybe the TV will be better when it's calibrated, it made a dramatic difference on my Sony (nite/day) (maybe bang on it like an old tube set .
I Used AVS HD 709 files off hdd and copied 2 other inputs that don't see PC /HDMI xcept component I don't use and fine tuned to preferences/sources/scenes ....difference was BIG time on that thing (color too!) when I was done that otherwise would have been returned and replaced with something else <true>black is .016 ,white about 250 (YbCbr 4:4:4 ) ofc also used some USB same images to fine tune in *that part/input section *
even default gamma was off in most modes ofc as U probably know when u calibrate this changes that and that changes this and so on

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Let's wait and see what the other reviews tell. This is only one review ya know...
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Let's wait and see what the other reviews tell. This is only one review ya know...
Sure that's a good idea!

OTOH the testing more so than the review text ( on the 55X850C ) at rtings .com wasn't impressive (not terrible though and if you 'really need' a set probably worth a look ) although that probably doesn't translate to 65" and 75" sets much at all I was thinking of the 55" but @ 1080p
the numbers ( and other tests ) don't beat my 2013 50" Sony (especially contrast /dark/black where it counts ) and I've found that rtings was more often spot on than not on the 5 sets here. ............
I don't know about R2D2 or whatever his name is and the 75" ...... anyway I'm to cheap to put that much large in a TV they depreciate faster than a falling stone ☻☻

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