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I'm looking to buy a 4k Ultra HD TV with the below requirements:

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4. Uses and sources = 80% TV/Movies (using nvidia android console), 20% Games
5. Room lighting = bedroom, generally dark.

Would you rather go for to Sony XBR-55x810c ($998) or Sony XBR-55x850c ($1198)? Thanks in advance
I ordered the Sony XBR-55X850C and it should be delivered this Friday!
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There are many different viewing settings for the Sony 65X850C, such as sporting, cinema... ect... is there any one setting we can leave the TV on for general TV viewing such as NCIS and TV shows like that and news...
Do we have to change the settings for football games?
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There are many different viewing settings for the Sony 65X850C, such as sporting, cinema... ect... is there any one setting we can leave the TV on for general TV viewing such as NCIS and TV shows like that and news...
Do we have to change the settings for football games?
See 850C Calibration spreadsheet link in my signature below.

You should be able to play w/settings options there and find a setting that works across different content types. I use the same settings (based on Cinema Pro picture mode) for pretty much all of my TV watching, including sports (tennis is the main sport I watch).

You can try Football mode for football if you want - I find it way to hot/bright for my tastes.
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Damn, this is not a deal breaker but I currently have all my devices sitting under the VIZIO.
It's not a great idea to put a 300W heater under your TV.

Heat affects the picture performance of LCD displays.
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Shopping Samsung 8500 versus Sony 850. I've never been much a fan of Samsung. I'm a Panasonic plasma guy. My thinking was the 850, but then I read the reviews at Rtings.com. Looking at the review on it appears that the Samsung wins handily in the "sports" which is a key factor.


850 review: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850c Sports = 7.2 Overall = 7.7


8500 review: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/js8500 Sports = 8.5 Overall = 8.3


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There are many different viewing settings for the Sony 65X850C, such as sporting, cinema... ect... is there any one setting we can leave the TV on for general TV viewing such as NCIS and TV shows like that and news...
Do we have to change the settings for football games?
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See 850C Calibration spreadsheet link in my signature below.

You should be able to play w/settings options there and find a setting that works across different content types. I use the same settings (based on Cinema Pro picture mode) for pretty much all of my TV watching, including sports (tennis is the main sport I watch).

You can try Football mode for football if you want - I find it way to hot/bright for my tastes.
Agree with Dana. I use a lot of Andy Sullivan's settings with some minor changes to suit my rooms and leave it for all viewing. Picture is fantastic for me, but every environment is different.
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Hey guys, UK owner of a 55 inch here. We have an issue with 3D with the most recent update that causes it to show screen format:full pops up every 30 - 90 seconds. Does this happen on US sets?

See this video to see what I mean.

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See 850C Calibration spreadsheet link in my signature below.

You should be able to play w/settings options there and find a setting that works across different content types. I use the same settings (based on Cinema Pro picture mode) for pretty much all of my TV watching, including sports (tennis is the main sport I watch).

You can try Football mode for football if you want - I find it way to hot/bright for my tastes.

Did it... bought the Sony 850c today for 1799.00 if you go to the BB site and go to their Black Friday flyer, then click into it, you will see it for the 1799 for the 3 days... however... I clicked into it... it let me put it in the basket for 1799.00 today... and will be delivered Wednesday.... before the sale even starts.... that's pretty good...
I will be putting it next to the M65 c-1 Vizio for testing... anyone want to comment on which one will go back?
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Hi Everyone. I also just bought the XBR-65x850c from BB (BF pricing) and will be picking it up later today. I've read this topic for the past week and feel very confident with my purchase. Now I just have to decide whether to have geeksquad wall mount it or find another installer. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
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Hi Everyone. I also just bought the XBR-65x850c from BB (BF pricing) and will be picking it up later today. I've read this topic for the past week and feel very confident with my purchase. Now I just have to decide whether to have geeksquad wall mount it or find another installer. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
man what a great deal right? i picked it up myself. Im not sure yet if i should just let geeksquad mount it or do it myself. How much were they charging?
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I did look. I only saw 810C's in the sale flyer. Maybe just your region?

Still, I do really like to do Black Friday. Do they let you buy online for those deals?
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That is how I plan on trying to purchase it. Supposedly the deals will be available online starting on Thursday. But BestBuy.com won't say what time different items will show up. There is no way I'm going to a Brick and Mortar Bestbuy store on Thanksgiving, Black Friday, or that weekend.
I see the 55" and 65" are now showing up at BestBuy.com with the Black Friday prices of $1199.99 and $1799.99.

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Did it... bought the Sony 850c today for 1799.00 if you go to the BB site and go to their Black Friday flyer, then click into it, you will see it for the 1799 for the 3 days... however... I clicked into it... it let me put it in the basket for 1799.00 today... and will be delivered Wednesday.... before the sale even starts.... that's pretty good...
I will be putting it next to the M65 c-1 Vizio for testing... anyone want to comment on which one will go back?
The C1 should be going back and it's not even close... I enjoyed gaming on the C1, reminded me of my old PC gaming days, but the upscaling and handling (picture processing) of my FiOS looked horrible. Pretty common complaint in the C1 thread.... There's a reason you're paying a little more for the Sony. I know the C1 has some decent reviews, but I attribute that to folks being blinded by it's price tag... Decent for the price point, but lacking in it's processing....of course this is just my opinion..

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I just bought the TV. BB salesman says it is better than JS8500. Anyways, I got this audio issue when I cast YouTube to TV from iPhone/iPad, the volume is controllable via phone, but I get sudden auto max volume every few minutes. I don't know why but it is very scary.
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Sweet!! i just ordered the 65" 850C for delivery on Saturday from BestBuy. And a plus is that the Sony Speaker bars were on sale for $200 off. Plus you get $200 off with the purchase of the TV. So I got the HTNT3 Sony Speaker bar, that is normally $800, for only $400.

And I guess I can get BestBuy to haul away two of my DLP sets. I have a 2007 Toshiba 65" DLP set and a 2008 Samsung 67" LED DLP set that they will hopefully haul away. Which will make it much easier on me since I won't have to deal with them.

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Shopping Samsung 8500 versus Sony 850. I've never been much a fan of Samsung. I'm a Panasonic plasma guy. My thinking was the 850, but then I read the reviews at Rtings.com. Looking at the review on it appears that the Samsung wins handily in the "sports" which is a key factor.


850 review: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850c Sports = 7.2 Overall = 7.7


8500 review: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/js8500 Sports = 8.5 Overall = 8.3


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I have owned the x850c and I found it to be decent with sports. Here's the thing. With LCD TV's you will never achieve the perfectly clear and smooth grass and ice surfaces in sports that you can get on a plasma. I have watched some sports on the JS8500 but unfortunately the feed was crappy so the image quality was crappy. I believe that if you fed both the x850c and JS8500 the same high quality 1080i cable football game the JS8500 would be slightly less patchy but otherwise very similar. The upscaling is pretty much identical so I think it's basically the JS8500 having better gray uniformity that helps it have alittle less patchy grass on fields. The same would apply to ice. There are no issues with motion blur on either tv.
I have been torn by the same ratings. I am tempted to get a 55" JS8500 on BF but the price of a 65"x850c is only $300 more here in Canada. 10"s of extra screen is a pretty huge upgrade...and when you consider the pic quality is only slightly better on the JS8500 I'm leaning towards the x850c again.
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I have owned the x850c and I found it to be decent with sports. Here's the thing. With LCD TV's you will never achieve the perfectly clear and smooth grass and ice surfaces in sports that you can get on a plasma. I have watched some sports on the JS8500 but unfortunately the feed was crappy so the image quality was crappy. I believe that if you fed both the x850c and JS8500 the same high quality 1080i cable football game the JS8500 would be slightly less patchy but otherwise very similar. The upscaling is pretty much identical so I think it's basically the JS8500 having better gray uniformity that helps it have alittle less patchy grass on fields. The same would apply to ice. There are no issues with motion blur on either tv.
I have been torn by the same ratings. I am tempted to get a 55" JS8500 on BF but the price of a 65"x850c is only $300 more here in Canada. 10"s of extra screen is a pretty huge upgrade...and when you consider the pic quality is only slightly better on the JS8500 I'm leaning towards the x850c again.
The jump from 55" to 65" is huge...that 10" diagonally makes for a big overall increase in screen square inches. I would definitely find that hard to pass on given the pricing. Unless you really like the Samsung a lot better, or you are sitting very close to the screen and don't want/need the larger screen, the choice of the 65" seems "obvious" to me.

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The C1 should be going back and it's not even close... I enjoyed gaming on the C1, reminded me of my old PC gaming days, but the upscaling and handling (picture processing) of my FiOS looked horrible. Pretty common complaint in the C1 thread.... There's a reason you're paying a little more for the Sony. I know the C1 has some decent reviews, but I attribute that to folks being blinded by it's price tag... Decent for the price point, but lacking in it's processing....of course this is just my opinion..

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I think the professional reviewers who gave the M65-C1 a much higher rank than the X850C were basing it on the fact that it gets deeper blacks, better contrast and for anyone that predominantly uses it for movies it's simply a better TV. The blacks on the M65 are rivaled only by the reference F8500 plasma and the most expensive LCD's on the market.

However, the X850C is a far better all-round tv which offers things the M65 doesn't such as 3D and HDR. It makes a far better computer monitor and it's better for gaming. The X850C also has slightly better upscaling.

So really, the BETTER tv depends on who is using it. If you're using it simply for movies then obviously the M65-C1 is a better deal. If you watch 3D, HDR, cable tv, play games and use it as a monitor then the X850C is a no brainer.
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The jump from 55" to 65" is huge...that 10" diagonally makes for a big overall increase in screen square inches. I would definitely find that hard to pass on given the pricing. Unless you really like the Samsung a lot better, or you are sitting very close to the screen and don't want/need the larger screen, the choice of the 65" seems "obvious" to me.
The funny thing is, I brought back my x850c. Partly because the android system was freezing on me far too often and partly because black friday was around the corner. The bonus for me is that I will end up getting the 65" x850c for about $200 more than I paid for the 55" so that's pretty cool. There's also a part of me that always wants the best of everything which pulls me towards the js8500. It adds a 10 bit panel, better HDR, local dimming, wider color gamut and likely an o/s I would enjoy more than the android. To be honest, I don't care about HDR or a wider color gamut and 10 bit panels are no better than 8 bit at this point so.......
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Hey guys, UK owner of a 55 inch here. We have an issue with 3D with the most recent update that causes it to show screen format:full pops up every 30 - 90 seconds. Does this happen on US sets?

See this video to see what I mean.
Under 3D Settings is an option to display a message when 3D input is detected, right? I would try turning this on or off to see if it helps your problem. Or maybe there is a similar setting related to screen width format messages?
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I may have missed your followup post but did the new glasses from Sony TBG-BT500A clear up the 3D crosstalk? I went from the TBG-BT400A to the TBG-BT500A (same as you) and they made no difference for me. I have the XBR-75X850C and the crosstalk has been unacceptable by any standards. There are maybe only 3 or 4 movies in my 85 3D movie collection that look halfway decent in 3D, meaning the crosstalk is tolerable.

And I'm talking about good quality-made movies, like most of the Marvel movies and Avatar for God's sake, which I'm sure most would agree are normally good quality 3D movies, right?. Well, even those movies have a lot of crosstalk on the new 75 inch 850C. The latest firmware, just released a couple days ago, didn't do a thing to fix the 3D issue and I was really hoping it would. I find myself watching my 3D content on my upstairs TV, which is Sony's 2014 55" model (850B) with passive 3D.

It's a shame I have to watch these on my 55 inch TV upstairs when I have an otherwise beautiful 75 inch TV downstairs, but they're unbearable to watch on this TV. Have two tickets open with Sony's support and they have offered no solutions so far. Keep hoping for that magic firmware fix but it never comes.
Glad I'm not the only one with disappointing 3D results. I have the 65x850c and tried the Samsung SSG-5150GB glasses at first, but they had a noticeable flicker. Then I bought the Sony TBG-BT500A glasses. They didn't have the flicker of the Samsungs, but I still had noticeable crosstalk/shadow image. I found that adjusting the picture motion settings helped reduce the flicker and the 3D brightness setting of "low" helped remove most of the crosstalk shadow image effect. After that, I could stand to watch Gravity in 3D, but I'm in no hurry to try 3D again on this TV and wouldn't recommend it to anyone else. It's definitely not as good as 3D in movie theaters.
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I think the professional reviewers who gave the M65-C1 a much higher rank than the X850C were basing it on the fact that it gets deeper blacks, better contrast and for anyone that predominantly uses it for movies it's simply a better TV. The blacks on the M65 are rivaled only by the reference F8500 plasma and the most expensive LCD's on the market.

However, the X850C is a far better all-round tv which offers things the M65 doesn't such as 3D and HDR. It makes a far better computer monitor and it's better for gaming. The X850C also has slightly better upscaling.

So really, the BETTER tv depends on who is using it. If you're using it simply for movies then obviously the M65-C1 is a better deal. If you watch 3D, HDR, cable tv, play games and use it as a monitor then the X850C is a no brainer.
Agree to disagree, I'll take an 850C for movies every time... I tried going from a 900A to the Vizio and the PQ wasn't in the same park....As you've mentioned, the Vizio is the better "deal", not display.. Again, my opinion....A

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I think the professional reviewers who gave the M65-C1 a much higher rank than the X850C were basing it on the fact that it gets deeper blacks, better contrast and for anyone that predominantly uses it for movies it's simply a better TV. The blacks on the M65 are rivaled only by the reference F8500 plasma and the most expensive LCD's on the market.

However, the X850C is a far better all-round tv which offers things the M65 doesn't such as 3D and HDR. It makes a far better computer monitor and it's better for gaming. The X850C also has slightly better upscaling.

So really, the BETTER tv depends on who is using it. If you're using it simply for movies then obviously the M65-C1 is a better deal. If you watch 3D, HDR, cable tv, play games and use it as a monitor then the X850C is a no brainer.
I will be basically using the 850C for Cable TV, NCIS, CSI type shows, game shows, football, movies on HBO, Netflix,
So just to clarify... you think I will be happier with the Sony.... I have to admit... I have the M65 right now from Sams Club and the blacks are unbelievable. With the lights out in the room, and the screen goes to black... the room remains pitch black... NO light...Hope the Sony is the same..
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I will be basically using the 850C for Cable TV, NCIS, CSI type shows, game shows, football, movies on HBO, Netflix,
So just to clarify... you think I will be happier with the Sony.... I have to admit... I have the M65 right now from Sams Club and the blacks are unbelievable. With the lights out in the room, and the screen goes to black... the room remains pitch black... NO light...Hope the Sony is the same..
I think if you have a great quality cable feed then there's no point changing tv's. The Sony won't beat the Vizio with it's blacks but it's still very good imo. How do you feel about sports on the M65, I'm curious, also what is your impression of the overall cable tv experience?
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I think if you have a great quality cable feed then there's no point changing tv's. The Sony won't beat the Vizio with it's blacks but it's still very good imo. How do you feel about sports on the M65, I'm curious, also what is your impression of the overall cable tv experience?
I like the cable feed we have, sure wish they would go to 4k somehow... The shows mentioned do come in good with the Vizio.. detailed, but sometimes seem jittery.
I am use to a Plasma, which is different.. I had the Pioneer Elite 50 inch... in its day.. was fantastic when I first saw HD.
I do like the 4K upscale, however it looks a little white washed.
Football looked good, however some jitter... but you do not see every piece of grass like plasma. But that's ok...


I kinda feel bad I ordered the Sony now... are the blacks that bad?


Let me ask you if you know..... the jitter control on the vizio... if you put it down to 0 or higher the number,,, which way decreases the jitter, and if I decrease the jitter... what do I sacrifice

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I like the cable feed we have, sure wish they would go to 4k somehow... The shows mentioned do come in good with the Vizio.. detailed, but sometimes seem jittery.
I am use to a Plasma, which is different.. I had the Pioneer Elite 50 inch... in its day.. was fantastic when I first saw HD.
I do like the 4K upscale, however it looks a little white washed.
Football looked good, however some jitter... but you do not see every piece of grass like plasma. But that's ok...


I kinda feel bad I ordered the Sony now... are the blacks that bad?


Let me ask you if you know..... the jitter control on the vizio... if you put it down to 0 or higher the number,,, which way decreases the jitter, and if I decrease the jitter... what do I sacrifice
I briefly had a Vizio P60 which is the same or better than the 2015 M... and I'm sorry but the Sony blows it away. Sony's black levels are inky (clouding/flashlighting may vary by TV, but that's not the same as black levels), the picture is vibrant and poor quality sources are handled better. Heck, don't the Vizios have a problem with red levels (thanks to the Sharp panels) and need aggressive calibration?

The Vizio has few features beyond 'show video on screen'. The apps list is a joke and you can't sideload, DTS playback was disabled in a firmware update, no subtitles support, etc. etc. It's bare bones.

The Vizio is good if you're on a strict budget and just need a monitor, but we've got a 75" and it's so good we dumped the P60 for another 850c in 55". It's 5" less but you really can't compare the two for quality and features (especially if you take advantage of stuff like reality creation and color gamut enhancement). Don't forget 3D & HDR support.

And, yeah, we pretty much only watch movies and TV. I'm a convert. YMMV.

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Just picked up the 65" 850c and so far enjoying it with netflix and amazon, dish network looks a little low quality especially football. This might be a pretty dumb question but how do I know if the tv is doing up-scaling? is it always on by default? when I press the display button it reads 1080i/p (dish/ps3 bluray) but when Im in netflix it will show 2160. Is it still upscale?

Also are most people without 4k AV receivers using optical out for their surround?
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Just picked up the 65" 850c and so far enjoying it with netflix and amazon, dish network looks a little low quality especially football. This might be a pretty dumb question but how do I know if the tv is doing up-scaling? is it always on by default? when I press the display button it reads 1080i/p (dish/ps3 bluray) but when Im in netflix it will show 2160. Is it still upscale?

Also are most people without 4k AV receivers using optical out for their surround?
The tv upscales all non 4K content to near 4K quality. A 4K tv has over 8 million pixels compared to 2 million in a 1080p tv so a 1080 image has to be upscaled to fill in those missing pixels otherwise you will have a smaller image that doesn't fill the screen.
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The funny thing is, I brought back my x850c. Partly because the android system was freezing on me far too often and partly because black friday was around the corner. The bonus for me is that I will end up getting the 65" x850c for about $200 more than I paid for the 55" so that's pretty cool. There's also a part of me that always wants the best of everything which pulls me towards the js8500. It adds a 10 bit panel, better HDR, local dimming, wider color gamut and likely an o/s I would enjoy more than the android. To be honest, I don't care about HDR or a wider color gamut and 10 bit panels are no better than 8 bit at this point so.......
I have the 55x850c and it's freezing a lot as well, I need to restart it quite frequently. I have the latest update (I was hoping it would solve my problems), but it's pretty much the same.

Do you think it is just a faulty sample and I could replace it for a better one? The thing is, I don't want to go through the hassle of replacement only to get the same result in the end.
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