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I'm sorry. I didn't say it correctly. It wasn't a reset it was repeating the Initial Setup which is the menu item just to the right of 'Storage & Reset'.
Thanks. It's worth a shot.
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Not too happy about the light bleed on my 65" 850C.
I had similar until I changed some of my settings to match the settings here http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd...x850c/settings
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Thanks. It's worth a shot.
Well, after going back in to the menus, the light bleed from the sides is back. Grrrrrr!
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I had similar until I changed some of my settings to match the settings here http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd...x850c/settings
Thanks. This has helped me achieve a uniform black screen, but the picture still needs some work. Seems like LCD tech comes with a lot of trade offs. My Disney WOW disc arrives on Tuesday. I'll be seeing what kind of performance I can get. Hopefully it's a keeper, I hate returning TVs.

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Well, after going back in to the menus, the light bleed from the sides is back. Grrrrrr!
Try the settings spicaly linked. It got,rid of my bleed but I'm not crazy about the final result.
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Not too happy about the light bleed on my 65" 850C.

Welcome to Edge lit displays. The 65JS8500 I had did the same thing as does the 65X850C I have now. It's always going to be that way with edge lit under certain conditions.
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Welcome to Edge lit displays. The 65JS8500 I had did the same thing as does the 65X850C I have now. It's always going to be that way with edge lit under certain conditions.

But the XBR65X850C is direct lit, not edge lit... Why would there be light bleed from the sides on a direct lit set?
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LCD tech takes a lot of tweaking to dial in. My suggestion is that after you dial it in, use a movie or modern tv show which is recorded digitally (not on film) to test your settings. (Use blu ray of course)

The extreme clarity of LCD shows all the flaws of the medium of film, which werent really visible on plasma or crt. Film grain is more obvious etc. So a digitally recorded program is a better match to LCD to test your settings.
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But the XBR65X850C is direct lit, not edge lit... Why would there be light bleed from the sides on a direct lit set?
It's not Direct Lit and is a mistake on the Sony product description. The display acts like a Edge lit set as described in the attached video.


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And lower the backlight as much as possible to reduce light bleed. Its weird that you are getting light bleed from a fuly backlit LED though. Thats a attribute of edge lit tvs (like the one i have. Llight bleed on mine is minimal though and unnoticable with most programming)
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And lower the backlight as much as possible to reduce light bleed. Its weird that you are getting light bleed from a fuly backlit LED though. Thats a attribute of edge lit tvs (like the one i have. Llight bleed on mine is minimal though and unnoticable with most programming)
That's because it's not Direct lit. See my post above. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for the 55" to be Edge and the rest of the family not. Clearly from first hand results the 65" is also edge lit and the direct lit is a mistake on Sony's site.

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It's not Direct Lit and is a mistake on the Sony product description. The display acts like a Edge lit set as described in the attached video.


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Yikes! That's some mistake on Sony's part. How did you find this out? Have I missed a discussion about it on AVS?
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Yikes! That's some mistake on Sony's part. How did you find this out? Have I missed a discussion about it on AVS?
I noticed it immediately when the left and right edge of the picture at times can be brighter just like the 65JS8500 I had which is also edge lit. Direct lit sets shouldn't do that.

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That's because it's not Direct lit. See my post above. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for the 55" to be Edge and the rest of the family not. Clearly from first hand results the 65" is also edge lit.

The assumption until this point has been that the 55" is using a different panel than the. 65/75" models, so it would not be surprising for it to use a different backlighting method.

But given the light bleed you're seeing, the 65" definitely appears to have the characteristics of an edge lit set.

WTF, Sony? I was interested in that model because it's supposedly direct-lit, which should produce better uniformity. As it appears to be edge-lit, contrary to Sony's advertised specs, I'm quite unhappy.
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Upscalers are neither a scam, nor do they require the power you are referring to.

Upscalers upscale... They don't make a bad image better.

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He means the claims made by manufactures that say the television upscales all content to 4k clarity is false. He is entirely right by saying its a scam. You can't make up something that isn't there. The hardware required to even remotely be good at interpolating real life is far beyond what is in a television. The same applies for motion smoothing algorithms. Terrible gimmicks that just add a ton of artifacts to moving images.
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The assumption until this point has been that the 55" is using a different panel than the. 65/75" models, so it would not be surprising for it to use a different backlighting method.

But given the light bleed you're seeing, the 65" definitely appears to have the characteristics of an edge lit set.

WTF, Sony? I was interested in that model because it's supposedly direct-lit, which should produce better uniformity. As it appears to be edge-lit, contrary to Sony's advertised specs, I'm quite unhappy.
I agree that the 65" does have the appearance of an edge lit set, however, I'm reserving judgement on whether its actually edge or direct lit pending a correction from Sony or some other sort of technical confirmation, such as a review from another reputable source. Of course, if we're getting these kinds of light bleed problems I guess it really doesn't matter how the panel is lit! Anyone want to open up their set and see where the LED lights are?
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The assumption until this point has been that the 55" is using a different panel than the. 65/75" models, so it would not be surprising for it to use a different backlighting method.

But given the light bleed you're seeing, the 65" definitely appears to have the characteristics of an edge lit set.

WTF, Sony? I was interested in that model because it's supposedly direct-lit, which should produce better uniformity. As it appears to be edge-lit, contrary to Sony's advertised specs, I'm quite unhappy.
I'm still very happy with the picture as a whole. Not as uniform as my old 55HX950, but still very good. I was going to say I thought this set was a better value than the Samsung JS8500 series I owned briefly. With Samsung just dropping the price again there is only a $400 difference now. I'd say the overall better TV is the JS8500 as long as you don't need anything bigger than 65".

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Here's an update up on my post from yesterday about the sudden light bleed from the sides on my 65". It seems to come and go. I'm not sure what sets it off, whether its a menu setting or something in the brightness of a particular scene. In other words, in my case, it seems to be an intermittent software or signal kind of problem rather than a hardware one. Again, this is all just speculation based on my observations.
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He means the claims made by manufactures that say the television upscales all content to 4k clarity is false. He is entirely right by saying its a scam. You can't make up something that isn't there. .........
Apparently you missed the footnote on Sony's site.

2. Upscaled, simulated and enhanced 4K images will vary based on source content.
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Here's an update up on my post from yesterday about the sudden light bleed from the sides on my 65". It seems to come and go. I'm not sure what sets it off, whether its a menu setting or something in the brightness of a particular scene. In other words, in my case, it seems to be an intermittent software or signal kind of problem rather than a hardware one. Again, this is all just speculation based on my observations.
All of the X850C models are shown as frame dimming (blinking). Is it slight light from that?
Try turning off the Motionflow, particularly the clearness adjustment.
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I played with the settings on different types of content for hours last night. It seems to always be a compromise. I can get a nice dark uniform black screen, but then the flesh tones look dull and the dark details start to crush. When I lighten it up, I get a nice watchable picture, but the edge bleed produces soft distracting edges. Coming fro 8 year old plasma screens, I didn't know exactly what to expect with LCD. So far, I'm not impressed and seriously contemplating returning the TV. The goal is watching something and not constantly thinking about the presentation. I'm really surprised that for $2500 you have to settle
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All of the X850C models are shown as frame dimming (blinking). Is it slight light from that?
Try turning off the Motionflow, particularly the clearness adjustment.
Thanks for the suggestion. Motionflow is already off. So far this morning, as I'm looking at various channels on DirecTV, I'm not seeing the side light bleeding. Again, it seems to come and go. Or maybe I'm just having a series of mini strokes!
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You're not having mini strokes. At least not yet I'm having the same problems with my 75x850c. Problems that I did not have with my 70x850b. I read earlier about a big software uodate coming on May 27. Maybe that will help. My wife and I both notice a overall PQ uptick at night compared to what I'm seeing right now at 7:45am. Probably because of less signal compression. My light bleed is more akin to clouding as opposed to edge bleed or flashlighting. No adjstments seem to effect it. It's no big deal 99% of the time, and I probably only notice it because of years of nit picking displays. I read earlier from tubetwister in the x850b thread that some feature had to be activated or dimming would not occur.

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You're not having mini strokes. At least not yet I'm having the same problems with my 75x850c. Problems that I did not have with my 70x850b. I read earlier about a big software uodate coming on May 27. Maybe that will help. My wife and I both notice a overall PQ uptick at night compared to what I'm seeing right now at 7:45am. Probably because of less signal compression. My light bleed is more akin to clouding as opposed to edge bleed or flashlighting. No adjstments seem to effect it. It's no big deal 99% of the time, and I probably only notice it because of years of nit picking displays. I read earlier from tubetwister in the x850b thread that some feature had to be activated or dimming would not occur.
What mode do you watch it in? I posted earlier and cinema pro is my setting. When I go into advanced settings and select color and then go to color temperature hit select it shows" expert" ; my whole picture changes to the correct setting as soon as I hit enter on that color space, , you have to click on color temperature at least on my set then without changing the color temperature (by clicking left or right) the set automatically adjusts to the correct color space and softer settings ( when I first turn it on it always seems "vivid" even though my picture shows cinema pro.) I think it's a software glitch and my set is the kdl65w850c, but it has almost the same menu settings as the x850c. Just telling you guys what I have observed.. It changes the lighting characteristics as well with even light levels on my set.
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I think I may need to buy a new receiver to work with my 65x850c, as my old Sony has suddenly quit twice on me now for no reason at all, shutting down everything. It's no big deal, because when the new 4k Blu-ray players come out around October I will need a 4k receiver. Audio isn't that big a deal to me, and I will never have more than a 5.1 system, so it looks to me as if the Yamaha 575 would fit the bill. Officially, it has 4k and 3D pass-through, might do a better job of handling audio than my old receiver, and is economically priced at around $275 or so. But it may not be such a simple buy, because of required codes and such. And that price gives me the feeling that it's either outdated technology or a badly-built model. So if anyone has an opinion on this receiver, or would recommend what they feel would be a better 5.1 unit, I'd like hearing from you.

Thanks in advance for all information and advice.
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You're not having mini strokes. At least not yet I'm having the same problems with my 75x850c. Problems that I did not have with my 70x850b. I read earlier about a big software uodate coming on May 27. Maybe that will help. My wife and I both notice a overall PQ uptick at night compared to what I'm seeing right now at 7:45am. Probably because of less signal compression. My light bleed is more akin to clouding as opposed to edge bleed or flashlighting. No adjstments seem to effect it. It's no big deal 99% of the time, and I probably only notice it because of years of nit picking displays. I read earlier from tubetwister in the x850b thread that some feature had to be activated or dimming would not occur.
Yes, I see clouding sometimes as well. On the 850B, it was said that the Advanced Contrast Enhancer had to be on at least the Low setting for automatic backlight dimming to take place.
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I think it's a software glitch and my set is the kdl65w850c, but it has almost the same menu settings as the x850c. Just telling you guys what I have observed.. It changes the lighting characteristics as well with even light levels on my set.
Yes, I think there are several software glitches with the X850C that need to be addressed by Sony.
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Apparently you missed the footnote on Sony's site.

2. Upscaled, simulated and enhanced 4K images will vary based on source content.

Footnote or not, its a gimmick. Any decent scaler will costs $1,000's of dollars.
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Yes, I see clouding sometimes as well. On the 850B, it was said that the Advanced Contrast Enhancer had to be on at least the Low setting for automatic backlight dimming to take place.
Thanks. You are correct. I went back and checked and it is indeed the Advanced Contradt Enhancer. Because I believe this is true and important information to know it should be more of a big deal here. If you leave Advanced Contradt Enhancer set to the Off position you have NO dimming. None, nada zip.
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I think I may need to buy a new receiver to work with my 65x850c, as my old Sony has suddenly quit twice on me now for no reason at all, shutting down everything. It's no big deal, because when the new 4k Blu-ray players come out around October I will need a 4k receiver. Audio isn't that big a deal to me, and I will never have more than a 5.1 system, so it looks to me as if the Yamaha 575 would fit the bill. Officially, it has 4k and 3D pass-through, might do a better job of handling audio than my old receiver, and is economically priced at around $275 or so. But it may not be such a simple buy, because of required codes and such. And that price gives me the feeling that it's either outdated technology or a badly-built model. So if anyone has an opinion on this receiver, or would recommend what they feel would be a better 5.1 unit, I'd like hearing from you.

Thanks in advance for all information and advice.
New receiver models for this year are just now being introduced by Yamaha and other manufacturers. That good price on the Yamaha 575 is because it is an older model, not because there is necessarily anything wrong with it. Although it says is a 4K receiver, the 575 does not include something called HDCP 2.2, which is the copy protection software for 4K video. Most of the brand new Yamaha (and other brands) receivers include HDCP 2.2 on at least one of the HDMI inputs.

So if you need to completely future-proof your system for upcoming 4K sources, such as Ultra 4K Blu-ray, then you may want to pick up one of the new models. If that's not important to you, then the 575 would be fine. I'd suggest reading up a bit more on HDCP 2.2 to see if its important to you. Here's one article:http://www.cnet.com/news/hdcp-2-2-wh...-need-to-know/
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New receiver models for this year are just now being introduced by Yamaha and other manufacturers. That good price on the Yamaha 575 is because it is an older model, not because there is necessarily anything wrong with it. Although it says is a 4K receiver, the 575 does not include something called HDCP 2.2, which is the copy protection software for 4K video. Most of the brand new Yamaha (and other brands) receivers include HDCP 2.2 on at least one of the HDMI inputs.

So if you need to completely future-proof your system for upcoming 4K sources, such as Ultra 4K Blu-ray, then you may want to pick up one of the new models. If that's not important to you, then the 575 would be fine. I'd suggest reading up a bit more on HDCP 2.2 to see if its important to you. Here's one article:http://www.cnet.com/news/hdcp-2-2-wh...-need-to-know/
Thanks for your reply; I really appreciate it. I think, then, that my best bet would be to wait to make sure that I have a receiver that works properly with 4k Blu-ray, and will pass along 1080p 3D information. Since 4k BD may not be released for sale until close to the end of the year, there is nothing to do but wait.

By the way, I called a Sony tech telling him about my Sony receiver, and telling him about my irritation that it's constantly 'shaking hands' with my Sony TV. When the TV is turned on, a message appears on the screen telling me that the TV is switching to external speakers, and when I shut it off, it tells me that it's switching back to the TV's speakers. But what's really irritating is that whenever I adjust the volume that big grey sign comes on the screen, interrupting my show. The tech I spoke to told me that I'm far from the only person to complain about that, but that nothing can be done to resolve the matter; it's just a part of the Sony system. If that's true, it might not be a good idea to buy a Sony 4k receiver, because I certainly don't want to go through that for the next few years.
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