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Go to the default Sony Music app player. Under apps...Music with purple background. They are there.
I never even knew there was a music player. I see four songs listed.

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Hopefully that addresses it.

One possibility is that you have too many CEC devices that fall into the player category. HDMI-CEC has a limit on the number of devices of given types that can be addressed.

The Player category only allows 3 devices: e.g. BD Player, PS4, K8500 = 3
EDIT: Yes that was it. I disconnected my SOny BDP-S6500 BD player that goes through my speaker bar. Now I can control the K8500 with my 850C remote. Thanks.

I guess I'll need to remove the 2K BD player from my setup. Or at least turn off HDMI-CEC in it. That seems like a very low limit of devices. Even my tertiary setup has half a dozen devices connected to it.

EDIT: well this is weird. I thought something didn't look right. Now control is working with the K8500, but it dropped down to 1080P output for some reason. Output is on auto.

I have to force it to 2160P output, but even then it's not activating HDR.

SO I will turn HDMi-CEC off in the K8500 since it isn't sending the proper signals now.
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What stand alone device can play a video with a 200Mb/s bitrate?
I've played a couple of 95Mb/s bitrate files and the Sony played them fine. But I don't think all the video apps could play it properly.
I think I got them from www.4ksamples.com. Not sure though since I downloaded them sometime last year.

EDIT: Yes here was one that had a 95.7 Mbps bitrate.
http://4ksamples.com/4k-uhd-fireworks-sample/
Which video app was able to play the file properly for you? I had no luck with the default player or the Archos player.

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What country are you buying these TVs? Mine has no 1- or -3/J in the serial. Checked the case and on the TV's info page.
I am buying these from America.

Owners of the Sony 55 x850c from the US, it has been confirmed that serial numbers ending in J (example: S01-5000000-J) have a 10 bit panel. Owners of the Sony 55 inch x850c in the US with serial numbers ending in 3 (example: S01-5000000-3) are an 8 bit panel. An easy way to tell, is to look at the home screen next to settings icon. The main background will change from a dark blue to a black. 10 bit panels are a smooth color transition. 8 bit panels look like ****. Example of my 8 bit Sony 55 x850c that I currently have : http://imgur.com/x5eQkRk
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I never even knew there was a music player. I see four songs listed.
I'm assuming there is no way to delete them. I've tried almost everything. Maybe it's obvious, but I don't see it.
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Which video app was able to play the file properly for you? I had no luck with the default player or the Archos player.

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I have those two players plus the VLC player. SO I guess it was the VLC. I'm having issues with my 850C right now since I had the K8500 connected with HDMi-CEC. I've rebooted it once, but everything is super sluggish still. I can't even get the list of videos to show up from the flash drive.

EDIT: Yes. It was VLC. I finally got the videos to show up and the 95Mbps fireworks video is playing back fine using the VLC app.

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I have those two players plus the VLC player. SO I guess it was the VLC. I'm having issues with my 850C right now since I had the K8500 connected with HDMi-CEC. I've rebooted it once, but everything is super sluggish still. I can't even get the list of videos to show up from the flash drive.

EDIT: Yes. It was VLC. I finally got the videos to show up and the 95Mbps fireworks video is playing back fine using the VLC app.
Thanks a bunch! I hate to have to recode my GH4 videos to a lower bit rate just to view them on my set.

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I'm still fighting with the issues that the K8500 caused with HDMI-CEC on. So after I turned it off the 850C became very sluggish. After a reboot eventually it seemed fine but now I have another issue.

The volume bar is now showing up on the top of the screen. Before it would be on the bottom and it would show the volume level that was double what the speaker bar showed. Now the volume bar is on the top(with no volume level numbers showing) and I have no idea how to get it back to the bottom. Does anyone know how to get my volume bar back on the bottom of the screen?

EDIT: I had tried another reboot and it was the same way. So now I just did a third reboot and now the volume bar is back to the bottom part of the screen. Boy! I don't plan on turning HDMi-CEC on again with the K8500. More reason for me to get the Sony UHD BD player when it's released. I just hope they price it along the lines of the Sammy player.
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What stand alone device can play a video with a 200Mb/s bitrate?
I've played a couple of 95Mb/s bitrate files and the Sony played them fine. But I don't think all the video apps could play it properly.
I think I got them from www.4ksamples.com. Not sure though since I downloaded them sometime last year.

EDIT: Yes here was one that had a 95.7 Mbps bitrate.
http://4ksamples.com/4k-uhd-fireworks-sample/
You are mixing your units. Mbps is the common unit used for network speeds and video bitrates. It means megaBITS per second. Mb/s is Megabytes per second.
95.7Mbps is about 12 Mb/s.
95Mb/s = 760Mbps... and would be outrageous.
200Mb/s would be 1600 Mbps.

I'm just going to assume you mean Mbps for everything to keep my head from exploding.

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I am buying these from America.

Owners of the Sony 55 x850c from the US, it has been confirmed that serial numbers ending in J (example: S01-5000000-J) have a 10 bit panel. Owners of the Sony 55 inch x850c in the US with serial numbers ending in 3 (example: S01-5000000-3) are an 8 bit panel. An easy way to tell, is to look at the home screen next to settings icon. The main background will change from a dark blue to a black. 10 bit panels are a smooth color transition. 8 bit panels look like ****. Example of my 8 bit Sony 55 x850c that I currently have : http://imgur.com/x5eQkRk
Again, the Main Menu's appearance depends on the the picture settings of the last input you were using. It is not always the same.

You say this is 'confirmed', but by whom? No one who has tested these TVs has ever been able to prove the use of an 8-bit panel.

Edit: I went dumpster diving. The box was still there. My serial number starts and ends: S01-xxxxxxx-8.
Does that make it a 12-bit panel?
Looking for a 10-bit test pattern now.

Edit 2: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...l#post40197906
Used the Spears Munsil test and it was beautiful. Definitely 10-bits here.

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You are mixing your units. Mbps is the common unit used for network speeds and video bitrates. It means megaBITS per second. Mb/s is Megabytes per second.
95.7Mbps is about 12 Mb/s.
95Mb/s = 760Mbps... and would be outrageous.
200Mb/s would be 1600 Mbps.

..............
Not mixing units. It sounds like you might be though.

Mbps is the same as Mb/s. WHich is read as Megabits per second.
MB/s is the same as MBps which is read as Megabytes per second.

A lower case b is bits. An upper case B is Bytes. And of course there are 8 bits per byte.
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You are mixing your units. Mbps is the common unit used for network speeds and video bitrates. It means megaBITS per second. Mb/s is Megabytes per second.
95.7Mbps is about 12 Mb/s.
95Mb/s = 760Mbps... and would be outrageous.
200Mb/s would be 1600 Mbps.
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Mbps is the same as Mb/s. WHich is read as Megabits per second.
MB/s is the same as MBps which is read as Megabytes per second.

A lower case b is bits. An upper case B is Bytes.
Thats right
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Yes that's right. Sorry, my brain was still overwhelmed with dumpster fumes.
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I went dumpster diving. The box was still there. My serial number starts and ends: S01-xxxxxxx-8
Does that make it a 12-bit panel?
Looking for a 10-bit test pattern now.

Edit 2: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...l#post40197906
Definitely 10-bits here.
Sony 55 x850c US serial number S01-xxxxxxx-8 and S01-xxxxxxx-J are 10 bit panel confirmed. I used your 10 bit panel test on the S01-xxxxxxx-3, and the S01-xxxxxxx-3 failed, 8 bit panel confirmed.
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I'm a bit off the pace with this thread, but last time I was on here there was discussion about whether UK / EU sets can detect HDR content from Amazon Prime. Has that been resolved yet?

I tried watching Mozart in the Jungle on my 65X8509 yesterday and it didn't auto detect and go into HDR mode.

I manually set it and there was obviously a drastic change in the picture, but not necessarily for the better. The bright stuff was insanely bright but things like flickering flames looked sort of hyperreal to the point where they looked unnatural. All the normal / dark pictures had a very orangey tinge to them and didn't look very good at all.

Is this how HDR should look, or by forcing the mode am I getting some sort of hellish hybrid picture?
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You are mixing your units. Mbps is the common unit used for network speeds and video bitrates. It means megaBITS per second. Mb/s is Megabytes per second.
95.7Mbps is about 12 Mb/s.
95Mb/s = 760Mbps... and would be outrageous.
200Mb/s would be 1600 Mbps.

I'm just going to assume you mean Mbps for everything to keep my head from exploding.


Again, the Main Menu's appearance depends on the the picture settings of the last input you were using. It is not always the same.

You say this is 'confirmed', but by whom? No one who has tested these TVs has ever been able to prove the use of an 8-bit panel.

Edit: I went dumpster diving. The box was still there. My serial number starts and ends: S01-xxxxxxx-8.
Does that make it a 12-bit panel?
Looking for a 10-bit test pattern now.

Edit 2: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...l#post40197906
Used the Spears Munsil test and it was beautiful. Definitely 10-bits here.
Uh, NO!

Mbps or Mb/s = megabits per second.
MBps or MB/s = megabytes per second.

Edit: Other posters already clarified the point, so just ignore me as I haven't had my required GigaGallon of coffee yet ☕! LOL!

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Has anyone explored the Developer Options screens in the 850C?

Like any Android device, you can unlock this in the Sony 850C by clicking the "Build Number" in the settings screen seven times. And yes the hidden "Flappy Bird" style Android game is there too if you keep clicking the Android version #.

From what I saw in the Developer Options, there are some interesting CPU/GPU monitoring overlays you can turn on. Some of the other items looked too risky to play with so I passed.

I'm curious if any other 850C owners have actually found something of value in these screens the rest of us should be aware of.
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Has anyone explored the Developer Options screens in the 850C?
Yes. Changing best resolution to Brest framerate in developer options will cut input lag down from around 30ms to 15ms. I did a test on this a while ago. Great for video gaming.Sony 65 x850c lag input test. http://imgur.com/gallery/DnjRF
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I'm a bit off the pace with this thread, but last time I was on here there was discussion about whether UK / EU sets can detect HDR content from Amazon Prime. Has that been resolved yet?

I tried watching Mozart in the Jungle on my 65X8509 yesterday and it didn't auto detect and go into HDR mode.

I manually set it and there was obviously a drastic change in the picture, but not necessarily for the better. The bright stuff was insanely bright but things like flickering flames looked sort of hyperreal to the point where they looked unnatural. All the normal / dark pictures had a very orangey tinge to them and didn't look very good at all.

Is this how HDR should look, or by forcing the mode am I getting some sort of hellish hybrid picture?
Chris:

@captdan27 has been working on getting Amazon HDR content accessible on his AP version X850C w/out success, even after flashing different regional FW versions...he can access UHD content on Amazon.

I believe his most recent summary was:

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I still can't get the sideloaded Amazon app to expose HDR content to play, just UHD.

The AP model doesn't come w/ the Amazon app on it. have to sideload (using the version pulled from the latest US FW) if I want to use my Amazon instant video. Unfortunately there must be some type of check that is telling the Amazon app that my TV isn't HDR capable (even though it is) as I still can't get to HDR content through the app.
@virtualrain just played around w/this recently:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post41450889

Here's a recent post here from captdan27 as well:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post41426945

Bottom line, I don't think anyone has gotten Amazon prime HDR content to work outside where it is officially supported.

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I'm a bit off the pace with this thread, but last time I was on here there was discussion about whether UK / EU sets can detect HDR content from Amazon Prime. Has that been resolved yet?

I tried watching Mozart in the Jungle on my 65X8509 yesterday and it didn't auto detect and go into HDR mode.

I manually set it and there was obviously a drastic change in the picture, but not necessarily for the better. The bright stuff was insanely bright but things like flickering flames looked sort of hyperreal to the point where they looked unnatural. All the normal / dark pictures had a very orangey tinge to them and didn't look very good at all.

Is this how HDR should look, or by forcing the mode am I getting some sort of hellish hybrid picture?
Chris,
First a question: Where are you in Europe, and where is your Amazon Prime Acct?

At this point I have not been able to get the Amazon app to expose HDR content. As Dana said I have been playing with different Asia Pacific FWs for my AP TV, updating on 17 Feb to ver 3.315 for Australia/NZ. This finally enabled HDR as a selectable mode (prior to this it would switch to HDR for HDR content on a USB drive, but I there was no manual way to switch.) But the Amazon app still won't give me access to the HDR content.
My situation is a bit odd. I have a AP regional variant of the TV, live in Europe and need to use a unblock service to get to my US Amazon Prime account which I'm accessing with a sideloaded copy of the Amazon instant app from a US TV. Any of these factors could be causing the issue.

When I have an opportunity I'm going to decompile the Amazon App to see if I can figure out how the calls are being made to determine when to fetch HDR content from the servers. I'm just starting to dabble in Android development so I doubt I be able to come up with a fix, but maybe I can get someone over at XDA to try to fix it if I can at least give em a place to start.

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First a question: Where are you in Europe, and where is your Amazon Prime Acct?

At this point I have not been able to get the Amazon app to expose HDR content. As Dana said I have been playing with different Asia Pacific FWs for my AP TV, updating on 17 Feb to ver 3.315 for Australia/NZ. This finally enabled HDR as a selectable mode (prior to this it would switch to HDR for HDR content on a USB drive, but I there was no manual way to switch.) But the Amazon app still won't give me access to the HDR content.
My situation is a bit odd. I have a AP regional variant of the TV, live in Europe and need to use a unblock service to get to my US Amazon Prime account which I'm accessing with a sideloaded copy of the Amazon instant app from a US TV. Any of these factors could be causing the issue.

When I have an opportunity I'm going to decompile the Amazon App to see if I can figure out how the calls are being made to determine when to fetch HDR content from the servers. I'm just starting to dabble in Android development so I doubt I be able to come up with a fix, but maybe I can get someone over at XDA to try to fix it if I can at least give em a place to start.

Cheers
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Hey, Dan (@Captdan27), someone on the x930/940 thread also looking into this - here (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post42032385). I shared some of your info with him...also pointed him to the XDA thread where you have posted on this.

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Hey, Dan (@Captdan27), someone on the x930/940 thread also looking into this - here (https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post42032385). I shared some of your info with him...also pointed him to the XDA thread where you have posted on this.
Dana,
Thanks, I just posted something for Chad.

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Hey alll


So what's the deal with this set and HDR? Is it not true HDR via firmware update? Which sets actually have true HDR?

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So what's the deal with this set and HDR? Is it not true HDR via firmware update? Which sets actually have true HDR?

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It is "HDR compatible" and supports HDR via streaming and also local via USB or HDMI ports. All four HDMI ports are HDMI 2.0a/HDCP 2.2 compatible.

HDR Compatible is a Sony designation - but it does mean that the set recognizes HDR content, auto-switches to HDR mode and engages special processing for HDR video streams.

Please download the X850C FAQ in my signature below, and review the HDR tab in the FAQ - it contains the info on HDR you are looking for that we have discussed multiple times here.

As to whether it looks great, good, OK, or Meh, that depends on the actual HDR content and the eye of the beholder. Most of us think it looks very good, most of the time.

As noted, please review the FAQ for more details on that and other features of the TV, and come back at us w/questions - lots of smart peeps here.

2015 Sony X850C FAQ: Recommended Picture settings, 3D FAQ, HDR FAQ, DirecTV 4K Ready FAQ, Troubleshooting & common problems; Dropbox Link || Alternate Google Drive FAQ Link. || My gear: TV - Sony XBR75X850C, BD - Sony BDP S350, AVR - Pioneer VSX-1020, Speakers - RBH MC-616C MKII Center Channel, RBH MC-6C MKII Bookshelf (fronts), RBH MC-615 In-ceiling surrounds, RBH TS-10AP 200W self-powered sub.

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I am buying these from America.

Owners of the Sony 55 x850c from the US, it has been confirmed that serial numbers ending in J (example: S01-5000000-J) have a 10 bit panel. Owners of the Sony 55 inch x850c in the US with serial numbers ending in 3 (example: S01-5000000-3) are an 8 bit panel. An easy way to tell, is to look at the home screen next to settings icon. The main background will change from a dark blue to a black. 10 bit panels are a smooth color transition. 8 bit panels look like ****. Example of my 8 bit Sony 55 x850c that I currently have : http://imgur.com/x5eQkRk
Bud, why are you not informing people that the number or letter your talking about is only available on the box the TV came in and not the TV itself?

Do you have a link for the confirmation of different panels for the 55"?

Also, if you have the supposed 8-bit panel still,could you display one of the 10 bit patterns available here or on Netflix and upload a pic of it.

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Picked up Samsung SSG-5150GB 3D glasses from Best Buy today.
They're $20 and built like it. Minimal design of almost reading glass type lenses with thin plastic arms.
They remind me a lot of those cheap passive 3D glasses you wear at the Disney parks.

Pros:
Synced first go, no problems on two Sonys (75" and 55" X850C). Possibly better than the Panasonics.
3D quality identical to Panasonic TY-ER3D4MU. No more or less cross-talk on either TV.
Disposable/replaceable CR1620 Battery. Amazon claims 70 hours per battery. Two included. Batteries are cheap.
Long arms that fit better over my eyeglasses. The Pannies don't fit over my ears completely when paired with my bulkier glasses.

Cons:
Flimsy. Really flimsy. Seriously cheap build.
No side pieces to block light.
Can't fold arms, so harder to store safely.
Non-rechargeable.
Lenses are a bit smaller.

On the whole, they aren't terrible if you're looking to get into 3D cheaply. You don't have to worry about a rechargeable battery that can't be replaced, but frankly they're so flimsy they'd probably break in about the same time it would take a rechargeable battery to fail.
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Also, if you have the supposed 8-bit panel still,could you display one of the 10 bit patterns available here or on Netflix and upload a pic of it.
Fresh outta Best buy with a new 55 x850c. Still an 8 bit panel. Serial number S01-513xxxx-H.

10 bit panel test with old S01-513xxxx-3: http://imgur.com/1dvDia7

Hulu app @ midnight title screen with new S01-513xxxx-H: http://imgur.com/QVOs7of

Hulu app @ midnight close up: http://imgur.com/rohXuTu
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Fresh outta Best buy with a new 55 x850c. Still an 8 bit panel. Serial number S01-513xxxx-H.

10 bit panel test with old S01-513xxxx-3: http://imgur.com/1dvDia7

Hulu app @ midnight title screen with new S01-513xxxx-H: http://imgur.com/QVOs7of

Hulu app @ midnight close up: http://imgur.com/rohXuTu
Dude, your using incorrect examples. An 8-bit panel has 16.7 million colors, hardly low quality. What I am trying to say is I think your misunderstanding what test material you should be using to convey your opinion. I say that because zooming in on the built in Hulu app is not an accurate representation, not even close.
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Also, if you have the supposed 8-bit panel still,could you display one of the 10 bit patterns available here or on Netflix and upload a pic of it.
Fresh outta Best buy with a new 55 x850c. Still an 8 bit panel. Serial number S01-513xxxx-H.

10 bit panel test with old S01-513xxxx-3: http://imgur.com/1dvDia7

Hulu app @ midnight title screen with new S01-513xxxx-H: http://imgur.com/QVOs7of

Hulu app @ midnight close up: http://imgur.com/rohXuTu
My 65", built in Hulu app, up close pics. Looks just as bad or worse than yours.
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Ok...so...my 65" 850 C showed up last night...and I'm having an issue that I haven't seen discussed (and I've looked through most of this thread). I'm running an STR-DN1060 AVR, and, for some strange reason...on commercials...I get the music...and sound effects...but little or NO dialog. Broadcasts are fine.


Admittedly, I haven't had much time to tinker... There is an ARC HDMI connection for the TV on the AVR...so I had my HDMI cable running between the ARC on the avr, and the one on the TV. I also have an optical cable going from the TV to the AVR...


I think I'm being a moron...and it's probably something totally stupid/simple that I'm overlooking, but I'm not sure what. I haven't even delved into all of the myriad of menus...


Ugh...I've got so much to learn here...
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Fresh outta Best buy with a new 55 x850c. Still an 8 bit panel. Serial number S01-513xxxx-H.

10 bit panel test with old S01-513xxxx-3: http://imgur.com/1dvDia7

Hulu app @ midnight title screen with new S01-513xxxx-H: http://imgur.com/QVOs7of

Hulu app @ midnight close up: http://imgur.com/rohXuTu
go to this thread download the test patterns or use the Netflix test, then let us know if you have an 8 bit or 10bit panel.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...-patterns.html
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