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Unfortunately, compatible does not mean it has HDR. I am telling you bro. I do not think the other models have HDR. I will have to dig a lil deeper but I think I am correct that only the 9500/9000 have it.
I am bummed that there is no 65" Sony with HDR without those side speakers as part of the TV. Or am I wrong?
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I am bummed that there is no 65" Sony with HDR without those side speakers as part of the TV. Or am I wrong?
For 2015 you are not wrong. My plan is to pretend the speakers aren't there and buy the TV anyway.
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You are correct... Unfortunately

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We now all know that the BDA has given final approval specs for the upcoming 4k Blu-ray format, and of course the new players will be backward compatible with current Blu-rays and DVDs. We also know that the new players aren't set up for 4k 3D, at least not yet, but here's my question: Will the new players allow me to see my 3D Blu-rays in 3D, or will I have to have a separate 3D Blu-ray player attached to my Home Entertainment center?

I will also be interested in seeing the first catalog titles released in 4k, quite probably by the Holiday shopping season this year. On occasion I've read rumors that 'Lawrence of Arabia' was going to be one such title. Among modern releases there is no doubt that 'Star Wars: Episode VII' definitely is coming in Summer 2016, and Marvel's titles will certainly hit store shelves.

So bring it on. As I've stated elsewhere, I've just bought the 850c, and it's waiting to strut its stuff!
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Unfortunately, compatible does not mean it has HDR. I am telling you bro. I do not think the other models have HDR. I will have to dig a lil deeper but I think I am correct that only the 9500/9000 have it.
Dude do some research it has HDR better yet go to js8500 thread. The article I posted was old but was quickest link for me. Js8500 does HDR not debatable my friend it's a fact
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Damn that's not good for me, I guess I might have to track down and buy the 850b. I tried the va panels and they do not work with my living room set up.
OH too bad but you may want to call Sony and get confirmation

Just finished talking with Sony, and all the 2015 tvs are va panels the only ips are the 2014. So it looks like I will have to go with the 65x850b and hope it does not have a lot of bleed or clouding.
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For those people who now own the 850c, I'd like to ask two questions that will help in my decision on whether or not to buy the 65" model now, or to wait for a 4k purchase a year into the future.

Question 1: Why did you decide to invest in a 4k TV that does not have High Dynamic Range (HDR), and never will have? Judging by the words of critics (self-styled and otherwise) 4k by itself is definitely not where it's at; only a 4k TV with HDR is worth the investment. Yet you decided to bypass this new technology.

Here's a list of what I think may be possible answers many people will give-- a) What in the blazes is HDR?? I never heard of it before; b) It's just a high-priced gimmick to squeeze more money out of consumers, and I'm not going to fall for it; c) I'm sure it's nice if all the critics say it is, but I'm not going to miss what I never had; and d) It's too expensive for this year, and I want 4k now.

For the record, my closest answer would be "d". I think HDR will only look its best on a high-quality 4k TV with FALD, and this year's models cost too much for me. The Samsung 65" JS9500 will cost me about $3,000 more than the 850c, and the 940c would be some $5,500 more. For 2015, that price is much too high. Next year might be different.

Question 2: Why did you buy a 4k TV when the critics say you're stupid to do so? Their general consensus is that people would have to sit so close to a 4k TV to get any benefit from the picture that it's just not worth the money. For instance, one critic commented that you would have to sit within four feet of a 65" 4k TV to notice any improvement in quality over a 1080p display, and most people would be uncomfortable doing that. As for upscaling 1080p, the disparity would be even worse.

Do you disagree with these critics? If not, do you plan on sitting in front of your TV with your nose pressed up against the screen? For the size of TV you own (55" or 65") how far back are you sitting, and how strong do you think the 4k picture is? (I realize for now that that's probably an impossible question to answer, as there is currently no true 4k source available to play on the 850c. You might wish to comment, however, on your experience with upscaling.)

Again for the record, when I briefly owned the 65" 850b, even when I was sitting 12 feet away from the TV an upscaled 1080p Blu-ray was very noticeably superior to my five-year-old plasma TV, not only in terms of apparent sharpness, but also as regards color saturation. And when I and my brother watched the Netflix production of 'Marco Polo' in what Netflix claims is 4k, the picture was most impressive indeed. Perhaps I didn't get the full effect of 4k, but it seems that the picture was impressive enough in its own right that the technology would be worth investing in, HDR or no HDR.

For all those members here who are kind enough to offer their opinions and advice on these questions, I will be deeply appreciative. You may very well make me aware of facts that I haven't yet considered as I decide on whether or not to buy the 65" 850c.
I don't own an X850C yet, but consider getting one. Here are my comments:

* 4K: X850C has 4K, and will be able to upscale existing lower resolution content to 4K. Hence it will be useful already now before native 4K content is widely available.

* HDR: X850C has no HDR. But there is almost no HDR content available. And the TVs cannot "upscale" existing content to HDR. So it's better to get a HDR capable TV in 5 years or so when there is actually HDR content widely available.
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And the TVs cannot "upscale" existing content to HDR.
Isn't this sort of what Sony's X-tended Dynamic Range/X-tended Dynamic Range Pro are?
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Isn't this sort of what Sony's X-tended Dynamic Range/X-tended Dynamic Range Pro are?
Hmm... perhaps, I dunno. But how would it be able to do that? How would the algorithm know when to exceed the intensity of the source material for a certain pixel?
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Quick question for an owner. Does this model allow 4K playback from a flash drive? I have a lot of 4K videos I downloaded from YouTube that I can play on my 4K LG from last year but can't on my 2013 Sony 4K model... Thanks in advance.
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Quick question for an owner. Does this model allow 4K playback from a flash drive? I have a lot of 4K videos I downloaded from YouTube that I can play on my 4K LG from last year but can't on my 2013 Sony 4K model... Thanks in advance.
Yes it does. I don't know the list of supported formats though, I had less luck than with my 2014 X850B but most work.

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Isn't this sort of what Sony's X-tended Dynamic Range/X-tended Dynamic Range Pro are?
This is correct a HDR set can turn a non HDR picture into HDR. Of course native content that is coded will look better but the tv's algorithm does a good job converting.

Today I went and saw 850C. The colours were very good . The black detail was good and of axis was pretty good for a LEd actually surprised me. Nice slim body pretty good value. I did notice that blacks are not as dark as I have seen so far this year in mid level 4k sets and It lacked that extra pop in colours . With that said set looked good and prices are not bad on these. I have seen all new sets from manufacturers thus far except 940C so I have experience seeing these tv's in action. I have taken them out of torch mode into movie mode cranked the brightness etc. This is a good mid tier set, on the panel I saw that the backlight was even and no light bleed or dirty screen effect was found. Here is a short video recorder in 4K

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Quick question for an owner. Does this model allow 4K playback from a flash drive? I have a lot of 4K videos I downloaded from YouTube that I can play on my 4K LG from last year but can't on my 2013 Sony 4K model... Thanks in advance.
I'm using a WD passport 1TB portable drive with mine with good results from 4k youtube & Sony FDR AX33 Camcorder content also ...
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XBR55X850C will indeed be $1599 soon as my dealer gets it. Will sell off and get HDR TV when HDR is available for mid-range Sonys. I can get a used 350z for the current price of Sony's current HDR models. But if I was rich, I would get the most expensive one without any remorse for the money spent.
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Isn't this sort of what Sony's X-tended Dynamic Range/X-tended Dynamic Range Pro are?
This is correct a HDR set can turn a non HDR picture into HDR. Of course native content that is coded will look better but the tv's algorithm does a good job converting.

Today I went and saw 850C. The colours were very good . The black detail was good and of axis was pretty good for a LEd actually surprised me. Nice slim body pretty good value. I did notice that blacks are not as dark as I have seen so far this year in mid level 4k sets and It lacked that extra pop in colours . With that said set looked good and prices are not bad on these. I have seen all new sets from manufacturers thus far except 940C so I have experience seeing these tv's in action. I have taken them out of torch mode into movie mode cranked the brightness etc. This is a good mid tier set, on the panel I saw that the backlight was even and no light bleed or dirty screen effect was found. Here is a short video recorder in 4K


Out of the tvs you've seen so far, what set would you say has the best black level?
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out of the tvs you've seen so far, what set would you say has the best black level?
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Just picked up my 55 850c from best buy, has anyone wall mounted these?

edit kinda curious, I have an ario tv stand that your able to hang the tv on which I like so I did it just kind of paranoid for no reason really.
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I need to stop looking in the 75X940C thread. I am going to end up buying one if I don't and ruin my plan for a nice mid-tier 70"+ set for the living room. The 75X850C is scheduled for delivery on Friday, I hope it is as good or better than the 75JU7100 I am sending back.
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Just picked up my 55 850c from best buy, has anyone wall mounted these?

edit kinda curious, I have an ario tv stand that your able to hang the tv on which I like so I did it just kind of paranoid for no reason really.
Yes I mounted mine with no issue. M6 screws.

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Happy with the 55X850C? How are the black levels?
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Happy with the 55X850C? How are the black levels?
Do you think there is a difference in the edge lit vs direct lit black levels? Not sure it would make a difference if it is the same specs; just curious because the 55 is edge lit and the 65/75 are not. I certainly don't know the answer but I am sure someone does on this forum...
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This is correct a HDR set can turn a non HDR picture into HDR. Of course native content that is coded will look better but the tv's algorithm does a good job converting.

Today I went and saw 850C. The colours were very good . The black detail was good and of axis was pretty good for a LEd actually surprised me. Nice slim body pretty good value. I did notice that blacks are not as dark as I have seen so far this year in mid level 4k sets and It lacked that extra pop in colours . With that said set looked good and prices are not bad on these. I have seen all new sets from manufacturers thus far except 940C so I have experience seeing these tv's in action. I have taken them out of torch mode into movie mode cranked the brightness etc. This is a good mid tier set, on the panel I saw that the backlight was even and no light bleed or dirty screen effect was found. Here is a short video recorder in 4K

https://youtu.be/PK9r68ySfr0
How would you compare it to a Samsung JU7100?
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How would you compare it to a Samsung JU7100?
They are close the sony had more accurate colours but the Ju100 had more pop and better blacks I also felt the image had more depth almost 3d like the ju had a sharper clearer image for sure. Out the box the sony has more accurate colours once I tinkered with settings things calmed down. The deeper blks helped with contrast levels the ju is definitely brighter and has a higher contrast. I also like the bezel more but that's neither here nor there. To me the differences that were noticeable were blk levels and sharpness of image also in all four corners 850c had dark patches think my camera also picked this up in video ..... yup just watched when fading to different image if you look u can see it.. I was really nitpicking to see differences . The set looks good those colours are nice. 850c is just not the best I have seen in 2015. The 930C looks much better than this set and is about 2-3 times brighter...
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In light of the new 4K Blu-Ray players coming out later this year supporting HDMI 2.0a (for HDR) (link to engadget), I found out that the 850C does not support HDR per a Sony representative.

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Audrey S: Hi, Fred!
Audrey S: This is the Sales Department, what can I order for you today?
Fred: I am considering your new Sony XBR-65X850C 4K TV and need to know if it supports the new HDMI 2.0a format. The new 4K Blu-Ray players coming out later this year will utilize HDMI 2.0a.
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Fred: Still waiting for an answer.
Audrey S: XBR-75X940C and XBR-65X930C (its only 2015 HDR TVs) will be compatible with HDMI 2.0a thanks to a software upgrade coming later this year.
Fred: But what about the 850C ???
Audrey S: It was not mentioned. It is possible that this model don't have the software to update HDMI 2.0 to HDMI 2.0a.
Fred: So, the 850C will not have HDR capability ???
Audrey S: That's right, Fred.
Fred: OK, just wanted to make sure. I appreciate your responses. Thanks, Fred.
But is it necessary to have the HDMI 2.0a-update to use these new 4K Blu-Ray players or is it enough to have HDMI 2.0? Here in Europe there is a price difference of 1500 euro's between the 55X8505C and the 55X9305C. I'm really considering to get the 55X8509C and I don't see the use of paying 1500 euro's extra for the HDR-fuctionality and 200 extra Hz (Motionflow). So I wonder if the 850C-owners will also be able to use these new Blu-Ray devices as they have HDMI 2.0?
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Sure, but that's a Full Array Local Dimming (FALD) model, so not fair to compare it to X850C which is edge-lit when it comes to black level.

If you compare the X850C to other 2015 edge-lit TV models, how would you rate the black level, contrast and brightness?
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Sure, but that's a Full Array Local Dimming (FALD) model, so not fair to compare it to X850C which is edge-lit when it comes to black level.

If you compare the X850C to other 2015 edge-lit TV models, how would you rate the black level, contrast and brightness?
found the ju7500 to have better contrast and blacks but give 850c the edge in colours(accuracy). The ju7500 is direct lit with local dimming.
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Yes it does. I don't know the list of supported formats though, I had less luck than with my 2014 X850B but most work.
Sweet. Thank you for this info.
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found the ju7500 to have better contrast and blacks but give 850c the edge in colours(accuracy). The ju7500 is direct lit with local dimming.
Hmmm... Direct lit with local dimming? How is it possible to achieve *local* dimming with a direct lit backlight - Is that just some picture processing technique and not any real "physical" local dimming?
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Hmmm... Direct lit with local dimming? How is it possible to achieve *local* dimming with a direct lit backlight - Is that just some picture processing technique and not any real "physical" local dimming?
65 and 75 inch Sony x850c are direct lit with frame dimming; 55 is edge lit. I can confirm this as I have a 65w850c which is direct lit as well... Very very uniform black screen with no clouding; it is not full array however ( of course look at the price) / less zones
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