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Couldn't even guess. Don't watch it.

When she's not at home during the day, the results are totally different then night viewing. 1/2 hour after sunrise, and 1/2 hour before sunset, will end with different values, versus 1/2 hour before sunset to 1/2 hour after sunrise. Why your panel looks Blacker during the day.

The nit measured by the meter , they are getting themselves both day and night.
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The nit measured by the meter , they are getting themselves both day and night.
To use the Meter on the wife's TV, it involves setting up all kinds of equipment to do the testing. Why I do it while she's not here.

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To use the Meter on the wife's TV, it involves setting up all kinds of equipment to do the testing. Why I do it while she's not here.
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To use the Meter on the wife's TV, it involves setting up all kinds of equipment to do the testing. Why I do it while she's not here.



however the peak of illuminance of hu7250+sek 3500 with js mod and that of hu6900+sek 3500 with js mod , should be similar.
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however the peak of illuminance of hu7250+sek 3500 with js mod and that of hu6900+sek 3500 with js mod , should be similar.
OK - just did peak daytime on the hu9000 + sek = 399.1 Nits - at 100% Full Screen.

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OK - just did peak daytime on the hu9000 + sek = 399.1 Nits - at 100% Full Screen.
1) with js mod or without js mod?
2) Do you use Cinama black?
3) With js mod , do you confirm me that known superior visual quality?

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1) with js mod or without js mod?
2) Do you use Cinama black?
3) With js mod , do you confirm me that known superior visual quality?

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# 1 - With or without Js Mod - Peak Nits the same. Just checking as to whether any difference Day or Night. Practically none!
# 2 - Find HU9000 Panel Black enough, not to require Cinema Black
# 3 - JS Mod Better Blacks, Color and Contrast

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# 1 - With or without Js Mod - Peak Nits the same. Just checking as to whether any difference Day or Night. Practically none!
# 2 - Find HU9000 Panel Black enough, not to require Cinema Black
# 3 - JS Mod Better Blacks, Color and Contrast
In your configuration, the Cinema Black does not further improve the image ?
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I don't care what the meter says Dynamic contrast brightens up some dark details. This is why Dynamic metadat is being added to HDR10 and Samsung sets this year. This why DV HDR looks better on lower nit Tv's . Dynamic is pushing the LEDS more so I don't know why ur meter is saying otherwise. Regardless HDR is better with it on MED more details in dark areas better light output.
Do you use js mod?
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Well, with regards to the Netflix issue, and after going through three levels of support, Samsung has decided to try replacing the unit. If (when?) that doesn't work, they want to send a technician out.

We'll see what happens and I'll report back accordingly but here's a few thoughts after spending 90 minutes on the phone with them.

1). I need a drink.

2). Correcting my previous convo with Level 1 Samsung support, Level 2 (Executive) support seems to be completely unaware at present that there is an issue with Netflix and the 3500.

3). Please correct me if I'm wrong but it appears from reading this thread and using keyword searches that this problem has manifested itself primarily amongst new (?) purchasers of the 3500 like myself, with the existing base not having been significantly impacted? Also, not sure if this is a red herring, but it occurs to me that most impacted are 8550 users like myself. I didn't recall seeing 9000 users complaining?

4). The broken 4k and (mostly) broken HD streams have been for the last few weeks, but not longer?

5). Acknowledging that there is a separate issue regarding the SmartHub endless update loop/cloudfront issue, but given that I was successful at temporarily filtering the www from my router and getting past that problem, I did not report it as a secondary issue at this time. I'm solely concentrating on getting Netflix fixed.

I hiighly recommend earlier suggestions to continue to let Samsung exec support know about this problem and to reference this forum for validation that the problem isn't "your TV, or your internet connectivity" because that's where they attempted to take the conversation.

They didn't seem anxious to take this forum link for validation and were quick to dismiss us as unreliable sources which I found disappointing.

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It appears that @p5browne wants to continue the discussion regarding Dynamic Contrast but has taken to editing an old post on the HU9000 thread where he is once again challenging @player002 and the majority of owners of the K8500 decision to set it to Medium...


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No Dynamic Contrast 80.4 Nits. With DC on Medium 74.9 - why would one want to turn on DC if it's less bright?

Will check player002's statement about DC should be on Medium, and see if I see more detail, despite the Meter readings.
High, I found too overwhelming, and messed with the PQ.

New calibrations on Movie and Cal Night, show, after calibration, Movie at 91.7 Nits, and Cal Night at 85.7 - so, Movie Mode is a tad brighter.


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Geez, you really won't let this go will you?!!

You cross-posted the same comment on the SEK-3500 thread that you posted here 3 days ago that you have now edited today by adding the part regarding @player002 who said he doesn't care what your meter says which we all agreed with by the way!!!


If you want to continue the discussion you could at least have the courtesy to continue it on the thread where it was being discussed for goodness sake rather than editing a 3 day old post and not even bother using the @ when referring to @player002 so he could see you want to go another round.


Would you feel better if we all turned off Dynamic Contrast while watching HDR just to make you happy?


Perhaps my reply was a wee bit harsh but really not a fair evaluation using juiced-up clips versus real world UHD HDR disc content produced the way the director intended for it to be viewed and also talking into account that we are basing our settings on the K8500 player sending it's signal to an HDMI 2.0a port with UHD HDMI Color turned On.

If you are going to do further visual evaluation to "check player002's statement about DC should be on Medium" my suggestion would be to aquire a K8500 and a few UHD HDR Blu-rays and then let us know your opinion.

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To RobbW: In reply to your post: I have one of the older SEK3500U units--not ancient, but older--I don't have the loop problem--all apps are fine, save for some reluctance (takes numerous attempts) for Amazon to load and the big Netflix bugaboo, displaying the "Having difficulty displaying the current show (whatever)...please try again or pick another movie..." or words to that effect. Various HD programs will load and begin to play, for 30-45 second, then freeze up and blow off. 4k programming on Netflix engenders the "FAIL" message immediately. Not a very smart TV at all, indeed, and I probably will go with another brand when the time comes--LG, Vizio, back to Sony or whatever--Samsung doesn't seem to care about return patronage. MANY OF US ARE HAVING A BIG PROBLEM WITH A VERY MAJOR APP, SAMSUNG, AND YOU NEED TO REMEDY IT PRONTO OR AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE IT. (Not yelling--this is for emphasis). For shame, Samsung.


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Well, with regards to the Netflix issue, and after going through three levels of support, Samsung has decided to try replacing the unit. If (when?) that doesn't work, they want to send a technician out.



We'll see what happens and I'll report back accordingly but here's a few thoughts after spending 90 minutes on the phone with them.



1). I need a drink.



2). Correcting my previous convo with Level 1 Samsung support, Level 2 (Executive) support seems to be completely unaware at present that there is an issue with Netflix and the 3500.



3). Please correct me if I'm wrong but it appears from reading this thread and using keyword searches that this problem has manifested itself primarily amongst new (?) purchasers of the 3500 like myself, with the existing base not having been significantly impacted? Also, not sure if this is a red herring, but it occurs to me that most impacted are 8550 users like myself. I didn't recall seeing 9000 users complaining?



4). The broken 4k and (mostly) broken HD streams have been for the last few weeks, but not longer?



5). Acknowledging that there is a separate issue regarding the SmartHub endless update loop/cloudfront issue, but given that I was successful at temporarily filtering the www from my router and getting past that problem, I did not report it as a secondary issue at this time. I'm solely concentrating on getting Netflix fixed.



I hiighly recommend earlier suggestions to continue to let Samsung exec support know about this problem and to reference this forum for validation that the problem isn't "your TV, or your internet connectivity" because that's where they attempted to take the conversation.



They didn't seem anxious to take this forum link for validation and were quick to dismiss us as unreliable sources which I found disappointing.



Cheers,



RobbW


All I can say is that Samsung is not telling the truth

I have this problem and I bought the SEK3500 last June

I hope samsung follows through on their promises but I doubt they will

I went through the same thing in regards to Ultraflix. They claim I had a defective SEK3500 and told me I need to replace it. They never did replace the unit. Guess what Ultraflix got pulled from the smart hub for three months. When it came back it work gosh


I believe that Samsung does not like to admit that Tizen is a faulty language.

I believe that once we get Tizen 2 Netflix will work again.


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are SEK-3500U expecting to get tizen2? I would think it should be a mere firmware update. hope it comes through.
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Swing, thanks for the update. Not that misery loves company, but it's good to get confirmation at least that the problem isn't solely tied to a certain batch of new 3500s.

Still, I am scratching my head why some units work and others don't. There has to be SOME common denominator?

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Due to calibration differences, Dual calibration

Note: If only a Single value: common to both Movie and Cal Night.
From now on, I will use Cal Night as my everyday viewing Mode, and Movie will be tweaked for HDR.
BOTH Modes were calibrated for 709. (Tweaking after the fact on the Movie Mode.)
Being that they're settings calibrated on my set, they may, or may not work on another set. Also the Cal Night on my set may well work on another set's Movie, and vice versa. For those reluctant to enter the SM, try settings as is and disregard the SM WBs.
Settings were done with JS Mod turned On, but may just as well work without on your set, if you're not wanting to do the JS Mod.

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May 26, 2016: New August 2015 SEK-3500U installation - FW 1322.0 / 1453.0

Calibration Results: Samsung UN65HU9000 - November 2014 build. GFP9 Chipset US02 Panel
Calman 5.7.0 RC1 Build # 2344 Meter: i1Display Pro profiled off i1Pro2
Radiance XE-3D Pattern Source

Movie:
dE: 0.18 CTTAvg: 6503 dEMax: 0.52 : Gamma: 2.31 Nits: 89.2 Color dEAvg: 0.82 dEMax: 3.09

Cal Night:
dE: 0.29 CTTAvg: 6511 dEMax: 1.4 : Gamma: 2.37 Nits: 83.4 Color dEAvg: 0.83 dEMax: 3.09

Calibrated in Normal Menus Movie and Cal Night

With JS Mod: SW Model: UJS9000

Mode: (Dual) Movie ** Cal Night

Backlight: 8
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 44
Sharpness: 0
Colour: 50
Tint: 50/50

Gamma: 0
Warm2
Smart LED: Standard
BDWise: Off
AMP: Off
UHD Colour: OFF HDMI 1, 2 and 4 ON: 3
Audio: HD On
Color Space: Custom Color

White Balance 2 Point: R / G / B Offsets Gains - Movie ** Cal Night

-12 / -10 / -14 / -1 / 0 / +3 ** -8 / -7 / -11 / -1 / 0 / +2

Service Menu WBs: R / G / B Offsets : Gains

120 / 120 / 128 : 128 / 128 / 148

10 Point : R / G / B - Movie ** Cal Night

10%: +18 / +42 / +12 ** +12 / +34 / +7
20%: -5 / +5 / -1 ** -13 / -2 / -7
30%: 0 / 0 / 0
40%: +13 / +12 / +13 ** +3 / +5 / +10
50%: +5 / +3 / +8 ** +5 / +5 / +9
60%: +3 / +5 / +11 ** -4 / -3 / +6
70%: -8 / -5 / -1 ** +3 / +4 / +10
80%: +3 / +4 / +8 ** -18 / -12 / -4
90%: 0 / 0 / 0
100%: -8 / 0 / -3 ** 0 / 0 / +10


Colour Space: Calibrated Custom Color R / G / B - Movie ** Cal Night

Red: 47 / 0 / 1 ** 48 / 1 / 2
Green: 5 / 48 / 4 ** 4 / 47 / 4
Blue: 0 / 4 / 46 ** 0 / 4 / 45
Yellow: 53 / 48 / 4 ** 50 / 47 / 4
Cyan: 2 / 49 / 51 ** 2 / 48 / 50
Magenta: 47 / 3 / 46 ** 49 / 3 / 48

Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off
Cinema Black: Off

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Use the MENU key to backout of any areas. DO NOT Use the Left or Right Key except to change values!!
Set to All Sources - Check your Inputs and Modes and change their settings if Samsung missed.
(This means the Apps, TV, USB, etc other Inputs and Modes)

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Note: If only a Single value: common to both Movie and Cal Night.

From now on, I will use Cal Night as my everyday viewing Mode, and Movie will be tweaked for HDR.

BOTH Modes were calibrated for 709. (Tweaking after the fact on the Movie Mode.)

Being that they're settings calibrated on my set, they may, or may not work on another set. Also the Cal Night on my set may well work on another set's Movie, and vice versa. For those reluctant to enter the SM, try settings as is and disregard the SM WBs.

Settings were done with JS Mod turned On, but may just as well work without on your set, if you're not wanting to do the JS Mod.




Why are you needing to use the service menu WB? I would advise against that, unless there's no other way to adjust it, which is not the case. Also, what exactly does the "JS" mod do, to give superior picture quality boost?....just curious.

On a separate note. I have a 55JS9000 and I'm also having issues playing UHD via the Netflix app.
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Hello @player002 i hope you are still on panel info duty, i found you answering a few questions about this some pages back.

I own a european 65HU7500 (aka USA HU8500) my panel is displayed as 65D1UU8EH. meaning its manufactured by CMO, it has some bad banding and viewing angle but still looks pretty good. can you tell me if this is a 10bit panel?

i am able to select 10 bit colour in the AMD controle panel and nvidia only gives 8bit and 12bpc for colour dept options. thanks in advance
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Hello @player002 i hope you are still on panel info duty, i found you answering a few questions about this some pages back.

I own a european 65HU7500 (aka USA HU8500) my panel is displayed as 65D1UU8EH. meaning its manufactured by CMO, it has some bad banding and viewing angle but still looks pretty good. can you tell me if this is a 10bit panel?

i am able to select 10 bit colour in the AMD controle panel and nvidia only gives 8bit and 12bpc for colour dept options. thanks in advance
Not quite sure on that model use mad vr and download 10 bit test pattern if no banding is present 10 bit panel.
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because? The HDR support has come thanks to a firmware update for the TV 2015. Why should not apply the same for Dolby Vision ?
No, the HDR support came with the hardware addition of the SEK-3500 to the TV. Similarly, in order to get dv you need new hardware.
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Dual calibrations was an eye opener re the differences in the 10 Point, and somewhat in the CMS. Who knew?
So calibrating Cal Night, then transposing the settings to Movie, may or may not necessarily be a good thing.

Viewing appears to given a tad better PQ, in that now the Modes are more compatible, instead of being further apart re Mode Interaction.
Got to enjoy a little bit last night, but will be able to more so tonight.

Will now have to try on the JU7100 to to see if the same is found.

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No, the HDR support came with the hardware addition of the SEK-3500 to the TV. Similarly, in order to get dv you need new hardware.
I agree with the fact that we need new hardware to get DV. However, functionality of HDR via HDMI came from both hardware (SEK3500) and firmware (providing capability for HDMI 2.0a).

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I agree with the fact that we need new hardware to get DV. However, functionality of HDR via HDMI came from both hardware (SEK3500) and firmware (providing capability for HDMI 2.0a).
HDR was available through usb.
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HDR was available through usb.

Don't forget internet.
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Just to help add to the data, I received my 3500 six weeks ago, direct from Samsung. The ONLY apps that worked out of the gate were Netflix and YouTube (both with 4K and with no lag). But, of course, I had the cloudfront issue. I spent hours on the phone with several techs, including escalated (remote support). They offered to replace my unit, but based on what I read here, and the fact that I was afraid they wouldn't have any to send me, I chose to futz with it until I figured it out. For no reason at all, about three weeks ago, YouTube just stopped working. Two nights ago I FINALLY licked the perpetual update issue and was able to download apps and reinstall YouTube.

So here's where I'm at...
* YouTube: works, but defaults to HD, whereas earlier it played native 4K with no issues. If I use the Web Browser, I can watch YouTube 4k videos. Not preferable, but will do.
* Netflix: I have (knock wood) no Netflix issues and have been able to watch 4K content with no error messages or stuttering.
* MLB.TV: jittery, pixelated and loses signal while playing a game often.
* Plex: Occasionally jittery...overall not very smooth
All other apps seem to be working as expected.

I'm using a wired connection and when I run speedtest.com or fast.com on the 3500 web browser it shows 95-100Mbps (which is what I pay for), so speed is not the issue. I'm still on 1440.4.

But here are some questions:
1) If I don't do a calibration, does it matter if I do the JS mod?
2) If I want to do a calibration without the mod, do I need a service remote? I've been using the 1-9-2 remote trick and have no problem getting in to the basic service menu.
3) Anyone else having the YouTube or MLB app issues?
4) Will 1453 do anything for me that will be noticeable?
5) What is this mythical "Extra" feature mentioned a couple pages back? Something on the top right of the screen? Very curious!

Thanks all!

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Hi,

does the JS mod also work for the Samsung F9090 (+ SEK-3500)? any experiences?
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# 1 Reports of FW # 1455 downloading into some Members TVs
# 2 Triple calibration, after finishing, found it affects the B & C, and Contrast needs to be lowered. on my set Brightness was still best at 44.
# 3 Movie B & C is DIFFERENT than Cal Day and Night. For D & N, Contrast had to be lowered more.
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1455? That's interesting. There are a few Samsung TV owners with SEK3500U in Canada that you know of who have received this update?

"Extra" is kind of a neat feature that started working for me only recently. Not only does it give you information on whatever show you might be watching (sometimes photos of and basic info on all the cast members of, say, a movie or TV series), it also offers some basic video games, in which I'm not particularly interested, Twitter commentary on whatever you might be watching, similar program recommendations, and informs you of other various, unrelated shows that are on or that will be coming up. Apparently, it gleans its "knowledge" from the Google search engine.

Does everyone here with an SEK3500U have a functional Extra service? Do you use it?

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1455? That's interesting. There are a few Samsung TV owners with SEK3500U in Canada that you know of who have received this update?

"Extra" is kind of a neat feature that started working for me only recently. Not only does it give you information on whatever show you might be watching (sometimes photos of and basic info on all the cast members of, say, a movie or TV series), it also offers some basic video games, in which I'm not particularly interested, Twitter commentary on whatever you might be watching, similar program recommendations, and informs you of other various, unrelated shows that are on or that will be coming up. Apparently, it gleans its "knowledge" from the Google search engine.

Does everyone here with an SEK3500U have a functional Extra service? Do you use it?

Cheers,

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Mine extra just started working about a week ago and don't use it very often. I feel it pops up quit a bit now. My setup is Hu8700+sek3500u fw 1453 js mod. Still non functional Netflix app at this time!
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Buggered and Borked Netflix here as well. Frig.
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