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Evidently the update train has rolled all the way from California to Alabama because my 65HU8550/SEK3500 just updated to 1460.
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Evidently the update train has rolled all the way from California to Alabama because my 65HU8550/SEK3500 just updated to 1460.
The 1460 update made it to Maryland this afternoon. My SEK3500/65HU8550 is now updated via the internet...
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Update Train

Hey guys, call me crazy but in a conversation with @p5browne this morning regarding the new firmware I even went so far as saying that "although I don't normally see much a difference in Firmware Updates, I would have to agree that 1460.4 seems to have offered some noticeable improvements".

So then somebody asked if I was being sarcastic or serious. Here is my reply...

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Me... sarcastic... never.

All kidding aside, I am being serious.

I just got the new 1460.4 Firmware Update today and without painting myself into a corner by throwing in a bunch of buzz words like "more pop", brighter picture", "better contrast", "inky blacks" or "better colors", I will go so far as saying overall improved picture quality.

The last time I saw such an improvement was when I upgraded my 78" HU9000 by adding the SEK-3500 Evolution Kit.

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anyone know what change in 1460?
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Update Train

Hey guys, call me crazy but in a conversation with @p5browne this morning regarding the new firmware I even went so far as saying that "although I don't normally see much a difference in Firmware Updates, I would have to agree that 1460.4 seems to have offered some noticeable improvements".
So I am not imagining the improved picture?

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So I am not imagining the improved picture?
Or we are just two wild and crazy guys...

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anyone know what change in 1460?
It's hard to pin point exactly what was changed since they do not have release notes. Based on what I can see they have improved the black lighting algorithms which have improved my light bleed issues and give me inky blacks. Others are saying it changed the colors or motion as well. To me the picture looks fantastic but I can't say it was because of this firmware update alone.. they have slowly been improving it. I noticed some updates make the TV worse but this one is definitely worth upgrading to.

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It's hard to pin point exactly what was changed since they do not have release notes. Based on what I can see they have improved the black lighting algorithms which have improved my light bleed issues and give me inky blacks. Others are saying it changed the colors or motion as well. To me the picture looks fantastic but I can't say it was because of this firmware update alone.. they have slowly been improving it. I noticed some updates make the TV worse but this one is definitely worth upgrading to.
The update train made it to DC. Normally, I'm skeptical about these firmware updates, but this time there is definitely a noticeable difference for the better. I don't think it is placebo effect either. There are several programs and blurays that I use to test each update and this is the first time I'm able to discern a marked difference in PQ. The depth is much improved on Netflix, Amazon, and YouTube 4K content. The blurays I have watched also show improved depth and contrast. Colors are better. Marco Polo Season 1 is better. The screen artifacts normally seen during action scenes are gone.

I have to say I was becoming discouraged with the 3500, but now I'm glad I got it for my 65HU8550.

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Or we are just two wild and crazy guys...

Probably for sure as to both!
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So I am not imagining the improved picture?
I have a Samsung sek 3500 european with last upgrade 1452.

Do you advise me to update my sek 3500 to 1460 with update usa?
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I have a Samsung sek 3500 european with last upgrade 1452.

Do you advise me to update my sek 3500 to 1460 with update usa?

Absolutely not. The US/Korean Firmware won't install on your European unit anyway.
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Absolutely not. The US/Korean Firmware won't install on your European unit anyway.
why not uniform uppdate?
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why not uniform uppdate?
There are some hardware differences i.e The tuners are completely different. The same firmware wouldn't work for the different models.

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Is anyone having problems with ARC audio from 65HU8550 with Sek 3500u to Receiver-Onkyo NR838? My TV shows that the Receiver is on and its passing the audio to it(HDMI4 on Sek3500u to Receiver) but I dont hear anything. I tried several settings removed the HDMI cable plugged back in, also power off and reset the box. I hooked an Xbox to 3500u HDMI1 and the audio plays through receiver with out any problem. Not sure what is the problem with HDMI4. Any inputs are greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Hi,
First please excuse my English, im french Canadian.


Ok, just got yesterday a SEK-3500 (June 2016 model, FW:1455) for my 2013 F9000. Doing the upgrade yesterday and now FW:1460 thank you Samsung.


My problem is, when I turn off my TV, my Yamaha RX-V465 receiver wont turn off. The receiver is recognize by the SEK-3500 with the IR cable. With the original 2013 box, it turn off perfectly but not with the 3500.


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Hi,
First please excuse my English, im french Canadian.


Ok, just got yesterday a SEK-3500 (June 2016 model, FW:1455) for my 2013 F9000. Doing the upgrade yesterday and now FW:1460 thank you Samsung.


My problem is, when I turn off my TV, my Yamaha RX-V465 receiver wont turn off. The receiver is recognize by the SEK-3500 with the IR cable. With the original 2013 box, it turn off perfectly but not with the 3500.


Thank you for helping me.....
Try going into MENU >> System >> Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) and make sure it is set to On and that Auto Turn Off is set to Yes as per the Attached Thumbnail...
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Is anyone having problems with ARC audio from 65HU8550 with Sek 3500u to Receiver-Onkyo NR838? My TV shows that the Receiver is on and its passing the audio to it(HDMI4 on Sek3500u to Receiver) but I dont hear anything. I tried several settings removed the HDMI cable plugged back in, also power off and reset the box. I hooked an Xbox to 3500u HDMI1 and the audio plays through receiver with out any problem. Not sure what is the problem with HDMI4. Any inputs are greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Is the Onkyo Switching over to TV Audio. I have run into all sorts of headaches helping friends with Onkyo AVRs and Samsung TVs when it comes to ARC. In the Samsung make sure HDMI-CEC is on and that the AVR is selected as the Speaker from the speaker list. In the Onkyo there a few settings to check but it has been a minute (and I use all Denon). I do recall on one setup that my buddy was having issues because he named one of his Onkyo ports identical to the TV Audio name (TV/CBL maybe?) and it just wouldn't switch to TV audio.

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Is the Onkyo Switching over to TV Audio. I have run into all sorts of headaches helping friends with Onkyo AVRs and Samsung TVs when it comes to ARC. In the Samsung make sure HDMI-CEC is on and that the AVR is selected as the Speaker from the speaker list. In the Onkyo there a few settings to check but it has been a minute (and I use all Denon). I do recall on one setup that my buddy was having issues because he named one of his Onkyo ports identical to the TV Audio name (TV/CBL maybe?) and it just wouldn't switch to TV audio.
Thanks for the inputs. The ARC used to work flawlessly with out SEK3500u. The problem only started after I upgraded the TV with this box. While playing anything from the TV it automatically switches the speaker setting to receiver but it doesn't send any audio to it. I dont think there is any problem with the receiver as it works with devices. Sometimes when I switch to TV after watching apple tv for a while that is connected to the receiver then suddenly it starts working but thats not the case always. This is a great headache as watching Netflix 4k with TV sound is a very bad experience.
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Thanks for the inputs. The ARC used to work flawlessly with out SEK3500u. The problem only started after I upgraded the TV with this box. While playing anything from the TV it automatically switches the speaker setting to receiver but it doesn't send any audio to it. I dont think there is any problem with the receiver as it works with devices. Sometimes when I switch to TV after watching apple tv for a while that is connected to the receiver then suddenly it starts working but thats not the case always. This is a great headache as watching Netflix 4k with TV sound is a very bad experience.
I would try turning off the TV, and unplugging it from the wall for a few minutes. Then plug it back in and try again. I had a similar problem and doing this fixed it.
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So, any news on the Tizen 2.0 front for the SEK? Or even the 2016 upgrade we're supposed to get? I'm wondering if maybe the 1460 update is back porting some of the processing features to Tizen 1.x in preparation for the 2.0 upgrade, or perhaps we just won't see a 2.0 upgrade all together. Fingers crossed it happens, and soon, with Netflix HDR though.
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For those trying to figure out what 1460.4 did.
You have to run scans on the Native Color Space. Previously, Native CMS elevated from Red to Cyan with Cyan being at +5, then tapered back off to Yellow at +1/+2. Now Yellow is elevated to +5 along side Cyan. (Sharp TV like - LOL)

Essentially, Samsung is manipulating the ASM Native settings for HDR PQ. Which then has a flow over into Normal Modes.

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Can someone do me a favor? I can't select my service provider in Universal Remote Setup for some reason and i would like to know if it's just me or it doesn't work for anyone.

Please go to Universal Remote Setup, select Start > Set-top box > TV. Skip the postcode search screen by pressing right arrow and confirm. Enter "Telia Eesti" in the service provider search. It will find "Telia", select View More Brands and there should be "Telia Eesti", select it. Then select any HDMI input. On the next page it should let you test if it works with Channel Up and Channel Down buttons, but for me the buttons don't load, I only get Try again button. I would like to know if the Channel Up and Down buttons load? You can exit the setup at that point by holding down Return button, then your existing setup won't be overwritten.

If the Channel Up and Down buttons load for you, please post your firmware version.
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Attention Fellow Canadians

For those waiting for the official release of the 1460.4 Firmware Update I am pleased to announce it is now available on the Samsung Canada website...

http://www.samsung.com/ca/support/model/UN78JS9500FXZC

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Thanks for the inputs. The ARC used to work flawlessly with out SEK3500u. The problem only started after I upgraded the TV with this box. While playing anything from the TV it automatically switches the speaker setting to receiver but it doesn't send any audio to it. I dont think there is any problem with the receiver as it works with devices. Sometimes when I switch to TV after watching apple tv for a while that is connected to the receiver then suddenly it starts working but thats not the case always. This is a great headache as watching Netflix 4k with TV sound is a very bad experience.
When in doubt, run an optical cable from audio out on the SEK-3500u to the tv audio in on your Onkyo.

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Is anyone having problems with ARC audio from 65HU8550 with Sek 3500u to Receiver-Onkyo NR838? My TV shows that the Receiver is on and its passing the audio to it(HDMI4 on Sek3500u to Receiver) but I dont hear anything. I tried several settings removed the HDMI cable plugged back in, also power off and reset the box. I hooked an Xbox to 3500u HDMI1 and the audio plays through receiver with out any problem. Not sure what is the problem with HDMI4. Any inputs are greatly appreciated. Thanks!
I've had similar trouble after doing firmware updates. What has worked for me was..:
1) Turn-off Anynet/CEC on the Samsung.
2) Turn off the ARC/CEC option in your receiver.
3) Disconnect the HDMI cable from the ARC HDMI port on the Samsung.
4) Turn off both the receiver and TV and unplug both for a few minutes.
5) Re-connect the HDMI cable.
6)Turn both the TV and the receiver back on.
7)Enable the ARC/CEC in the receiver.
8)Enable Anynet/CEC in the Samsung and perform an Anynet/CEC scan.
9)Change the audio option on the Samsung back to ARC/HDMI sound.
Hopefully it will work again for you.
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Has anyone got the SEK-3500's Auto Volume to work through the optical output when using external HDMI sources? (Sound=>Additional Settings). It used to work fine over optical using the TV (55HU7500) but the "Normal", "Night" and "Off" all sound the same volume on the SEK-3500. Also, what does "Bitstream or PCM" mean in the HDMI sound input mode? Thanks!
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...what does "Bitstream or PCM" mean in the HDMI sound input mode? Thanks!

Bitstream is basically the raw "undecoded" data being sent from the TV or Blu-ray Player or Cable/Satellite Receiver or Gaming Console to the Audio Receiver or Sound Bar for it to decode.

PCM (Pulse-Code Modulation) means that the TV or Blu-ray Player or Cable/Satellite Receiver or Gaming Console is performing the audio decoding and sending the decoded signal to the Audio Receiver or Sound Bar.

Let's use a Blu-ray Player connected with an HDMI connection to a Home Theater Receiver as an example.

If you set the Blu-ray Player to output audio as PCM, the player will perform the audio decoding of all Dolby and DTS related soundtracks internally and send the decoded audio signal in uncompressed form to your Home Theater Receiver. As a result, your Audio Receiver will not have to perform any additional audio decoding before the audio is sent through the amplifier section and the speakers. With this option, the Receiver will display the term "PCM" on its front panel display.

If you select Bitstream as the HDMI audio output setting of your Blu-ray Player, it will bypass its own internal Dolby and DTS audio decoders and send the undecoded signal to your HDMI-connected Home Theater Receiver. With this setting, the Audio Receiver will do all the audio decoding of the incoming signal. In this case, the Receiver will display Dolby, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD Master Audio, etc... on its front panel display depending on which type of Bitstream signal is being decoded.

NOTE: Dolby Atmos and DTS:X “object-based” surround sound formats require the Blu-ray Player to be in "Bitstream" mode not PCM. For instance, Dolby wraps up the Atmos "objects" (metadata) into a Dolby TrueHD wrapper. When you send that Dolby TrueHD soundtrack out over HDMI to a Dolby Atmos-capable Receiver in Bitstream mode, the Receiver detects that it is actually a Dolby Atmos track and processes the sound accordingly.

In terms of actual audio quality, whether you have your Blu-ray disc player's HDMI audio output set to PCM or Bitstream doesn't matter. If the decoder in one of these devices is significantly better than the other, there might be a difference in sound quality. But these days, the quality of audio decoding in consumer devices is quite good in general, so that difference is likely to be very small and probably indiscernible.

However, there is another factor to take into consideration as to which setting that might be best for your to use. This involves access to secondary soundtracks, such as audio commentaries, descriptive audio, the sounds that onscreen buttons make when you click on them, or other supplementary audio tracks. If access to these audio features is important to you, then keeping the Blu-ray player set for the PCM audio output option might be the best option. On the other hand, you can always make the switch from Bitstream to PCM anytime you wish by going into the appropriate menu settings.



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Thank you King Richard - a very informative reply. I bow to your knowledge :-)
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There are three, maybe four contributors here who are especially well versed in the ins and outs of the better Samsung TVs and home visuals in general, but especially when it comes to LCD-LED displays. His majesty, the good King Richard, is one of the top cats for sure. That he has a sense of humor really adds a lot of points. People who take things, especially themselves, too seriously are quite off-putting, to say the least. Cheers.
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