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SEK3500U Evolution Kit w/ Samsung UN65HU8550

I have the 2014 UN65HU8550 tv from Samsung, and I've been trying to find out if I can do hdmi2.0 with it to get 4k at 60Hz, but I can't find any info about it. I also ran across the Evolution Kit SEK3500U. What will that do for my tv and how's it work? Anyone have this combination? I thought I could already stream 4k Netflix content and connect at 4k (30hz it seems) through my computer, so what's this box do for me? Thanks in advance!
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There is a dedicated "SEK3500U Evolution Kit" >HERE<

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1501.3 has appeared in Europe...

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Update on SEK-3500/FandangoNow VIDITY Problems

I've discovered several issues regarding the FandangoNow app, VIDITY, My Passport Cinema, and multiple SEK units over the last two weeks. I'm posting these observations for those who may be suffering in silence with the same problems.

As of today, neither of my SEK-3500 units recognizes a WD My Passport Cinema (MPC) drive as VIDITY-enabled when plugged into the USB port. Factory resets within the Advanced Service Menu (ASM) did not help, nor did resetting the Smart Hub with the ASM's original settings for both the F9000 and the HU8500. Unplugging the power cords, disconnecting each SEK, and plugging everything back also did not help. Curiously, plugging an MPC drive directly into the USB 3.0 port in back of the 8500 without an SEK attached activates the VIDITY menu in the Fandango app, but of course a message pops up explaining that an SEK is required. As soon as it's reconnected, no VIDITY activation message appears.

To add insult to injury, my 8500 would not detect the latest firmware posted in this thread, while the F9000 did and processed the update. Believing that my two SEKs have been "corrupted" by JS modding and "poisoned" both sets, I ordered a brand new, untainted SEK just to see if it would trigger VIDITY in the app...and it absolutely did not. Once I got a refund for it, I got super lucky during the Amazon Prime Day madness and applied the credit toward a seriously discounted JS8500, which has an excellent picture and real Cinema Black! To my surprise, the USB 3.0 port is built into the TV and not the OCB Mini box it ships with, which means no VIDITY recognition problems so far. HOWEVER...

1. FandangoNow is still just as buggy as ever! I thought there might be an updated version for actual JS models, but it's stuck on 3.1.12. 2. Various bugs include certain movies completely crashing app navigation and the MPC drive's functionality. "Hidden Figures" is one such title??every time I downloaded it to one of 3 drives I own, I could not access the Library or VIDITY storage management. The only way to play this movie or any other was to do it from the app's 4K VIDITY menu. Deleting this title restored near-normal functionality. 3. Some VIDITY movies will not play even after the lock symbol is removed in the app. Again, this forces you to go into the larger app menu and play it from there, but AT LEAST it plays. Right now, I'm just happy to be able to do that. Playing these back in HDR with Cinema Black is truly incredible, especially with all the picture improvements that have come with two years' worth of firmware updates (and counting).

I should mention that 3D is equally incredible on this TV, so I'm shelving the other two TVs indefinitely.
This just proves FandangoNow is total garbage. They baited us to buy those Vidity drives and movies and now they are useless. What a waste of money.

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Just to change the subject, remember when we were trying to figure out if the HU panels were 8 or 10 bit? There was a huge discussion then Scott Wilkinson was supposed to get the last word directly from Samsung? He actually got that supplier of the panel, I forget the name, to actually change the panel part number from 10 to 8 bit. I don't ever remember him ever getting back us.

On this note, has anyone ever tried running a P3 color checker scan on an HU series or for that matter a JS series set to see what it looks like? Even thought the 3500 can decode HDR metadata, I was wondering what the set is actually doing except for turning up the contrast and brightness to max and turning up the color gamut control. It may also be trying to do some HDR tone mapping which is why the picture looks a little more dynamic. I don't have the set any more but I should have tried to take a Calman HDR scan just for curiosity.

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Just to change the subject, remember when we were trying to figure out if the HU panels were 8 or 10 bit? There was a huge discussion then Scott Wilkinson was supposed to get the last word directly from Samsung? He actually got that supplier of the panel, I forget the name, to actually change the panel part number from 10 to 8 bit. I don't ever remember him ever getting back us.

On this note, has anyone ever tried running a P3 color checker scan on an HU series or for that matter a JS series set to see what it looks like? Even thought the 3500 can decode HDR metadata, I was wondering what the set is actually doing except for turning up the contrast and brightness to max and turning up the color gamut control. It may also be trying to do some HDR tone mapping which is why the picture looks a little more dynamic. I don't have the set any more but I should have tried to take a Calman HDR scan just for curiosity.
I'm kind of new to this calibration stuff. Is this something I can do with an I1 display pro and calman enthusiast? How would I go about it? I can try to get some measurements on the SEK-3500 this weekend in regular and JS mode probably, but measurements on the JS will have to wait until end of August when I return to east coast.

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I'm kind of new to this calibration stuff. Is this something I can do with an I1 display pro and calman enthusiast? How would I go about it? I can try to get some measurements on the SEK-3500 this weekend in regular and JS mode probably, but measurements on the JS will have to wait until end of August when I return to east coast.
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HDMI-CEC with Integra DRX-2 receiver

Hi everyone, a relatively novice question about HDMI-CEC. First, the setup: Cable box, Apple TV, Roku etc - > Integra DRX-2 receiver -> SEK-3500u. The TV is 2014 Samsung UN65HU9000 and I am using Harmony Elite remote. All equipment other than the TV is in a media closet and connected to TV using a single HDMI and optical cable running to the TV (cannot run IR cable to TV now). HDMI-CEC enabled on receiver and TV.

I can turn on and control everything using the Harmony remote (without line of sight) or Harmony app with an exception of the TV. The problem is that when the receiver turns on, it doesn't turn on the TV which means I have to point the Harmony remote to the TV every time I start the activity, which is really annoying! Since I don't have to use the TV controls (change HDMI input or control volume) after it turns on, I just need the TV turned on with receiver. This issue is keeping me from having a truly smart system (including turning whole system on with voice via Alexa). I have tried detecting receiver thru TV's AnyNet+ option and it does detect it going to 100% on progress bar but then saying no devices found. Can someone offer any suggestions to make the TV turn on when receiver turns on? It will be a huge help! Thanks much.
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This just proves FandangoNow is total garbage. They baited us to buy those Vidity drives and movies and now they are useless. What a waste of money.
I wouldn't go so far as to say they're useless, jrref, but there's been a definite lack of communication between Fandango, Samsung, and possibly Western Digital for quite a while. The app needs a major overhaul for SEK televisions as well as 2016-2017 Samsung owners burned by the omission of a USB 3.0 port (what was Samsung thinking?!). Better yet, provide a drive-less option and find a way to stream HDR movies efficiently (like Vudu does with HDX). For those who don't know, HDR kicks in on this app when you redeem a UHD/HDR Ultraviolet code (linked to Flixster) for Universal titles and certain ones from other studios, even though it's not as dramatic as playing a VIDITY movie from the drive. The app doesn't seem to be going anywhere, either, with HDR titles like Logan front and center. Sony does this too when you redeem a UV Sony/Columbia title and stream it from their "Ultra" app/store. When I had the X930D, however, the USB 3.0 port wouldn't recognize any of my Passport Cinema drives using that TV's app...yet another silly, unnecessary restriction.

Standard HD and UHD streams look and sound great (DTS), but maybe FN needs some pointers from Vudu and Amazon, along with a more user-friendly interface. It's a shame because certain Fox titles look exceptional to me, rivaling UHD in some instances—namely, The Martian (Extended), X-Men: Days of Future Past (Rogue Cut), The Revenant, and Deadpool. I've been mesmerized watching a few of these on my shiny, new JS8500, but they looked great on my older Samsung/SEK sets too.

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FW # 1502.1 - now putting Samsung NA 4 FWs behind!

http://www.samsung.com/sec/support/model/UN65JS9500F
Thanks, P5. With all these updates that keep popping up on foreign sites (with apparent improvements to the picture), could this mean pre-2016 Samsungs are being quietly prepped for HLG and/or HDR10+? I'm looking forward to another pleasant surprise like HDR with HDMI 2.0a two years ago.

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FW # 1502.1 - now putting Samsung NA 4 FWs behind!

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Thanks, P5. Will all these updates that keep popping up on foreign sites (with apparent improvements to the picture), could this mean pre-2016 Samsungs are being quietly prepped for HLG and/or HDR10+? I'm looking forward to another pleasant surprise like HDR with HDMI 2.0a two years ago.
My biggest fear might be happening...possible major updates just after getting both my sets calibrated. I can copy the settings on the HU w/ SEK easily enough as the cal was not done in the SM but...will simply re inputting them be enough to keep the finely tuned settings accurate? I'm thinking probably not, maybe close though...what to do???

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My biggest fear might be happening...possible major updates just after getting both my sets calibrated. I can copy the settings on the HU w/ SEK easily enough as the cal was not done in the SM but...will simply re inputting them be enough to keep the finely tuned settings accurate? I'm thinking probably not, maybe close though...what to do???

I think you are far too worried about this.



You can always wait to see what others are reporting before pulling the trigger on the new update.


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I think you are far too worried about this.



You can always wait to see what others are reporting before pulling the trigger on the new update.


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My biggest fear might be happening...possible major updates just after getting both my sets calibrated. I can copy the settings on the HU w/ SEK easily enough as the cal was not done in the SM but...will simply re inputting them be enough to keep the finely tuned settings accurate? I'm thinking probably not, maybe close though...what to do???
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My biggest fear might be happening...possible major updates just after getting both my sets calibrated. I can copy the settings on the HU w/ SEK easily enough as the cal was not done in the SM but...will simply re inputting them be enough to keep the finely tuned settings accurate? I'm thinking probably not, maybe close though...what to do???
There will be no more major updates. Samsung will definitely not add any features like HLG and/or HDR10+ to such old sets. They never did anything like that.

And there definitely was no picture quality improvement in latest updates. We are already on 3753% better picture quality from 20 previous updates. How could the picture get any better.
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My biggest fear might be happening...possible major updates just after getting both my sets calibrated. I can copy the settings on the HU w/ SEK easily enough as the cal was not done in the SM but...will simply re inputting them be enough to keep the finely tuned settings accurate? I'm thinking probably not, maybe close though...what to do???
There will be no more major updates. Samsung will definitely not add any features like HLG and/or HDR10+ to such old sets. They never did anything like that.

And there definitely was no picture quality improvement in latest updates. We are already on 3753% better picture quality from 20 previous updates. How could the picture get any better.
Actually if we took an HU9000 to the tv shootout this year with all the updates and PQ improvements, it would have won because you are right the 22.3% cumulative PQ updates, it would have surly beat the LG c7 OLED!
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You should be one of those life coaches, lol.

Well I'm not sure if this counts, but...

I did receive coaching certification through the "National Coaching Certification Program" (NCCP) about 30 years ago.



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Actually if we took an HU9000 to the tv shootout this year with all the updates and PQ improvements, it would have won because you are right the 22.3% cumulative PQ updates, it would have surly beat the LG c7 OLED!
Is this with it being an HU or JS?

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Is this with it being an HU or JS?
The HU set with or without the JS mod, it would have won with all the cumulative PQ improvements over the years!

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There will be no more major updates. Samsung will definitely not add any features like HLG and/or HDR10+ to such old sets. They never did anything like that.

And there definitely was no picture quality improvement in latest updates. We are already on 3753% better picture quality from 20 previous updates. How could the picture get any better.
Umm did it not get HLG update? I pretty sure I played some HLG HDR files on it few months back... Talking sek 3500u
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FW # 1502.1 - now putting Samsung NA 4 FWs behind!

http://www.samsung.com/sec/support/model/UN65JS9500F
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http://www.samsung.com/sec/support/model/UN65JS9500F
Has the calibration changed?

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Has the calibration changed?
May find out tonight, if wife goes to bed early! (Note: I'm on JS now, but will be able to tell if any differences - not expecting any.)
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Yes, if you have a recent version of Calman Enthusiast and you have a generator that generate the HDR10 test patterns or the HDR patters from Mascola, all you need to do is execute the HDR10 work flow. The i1display pro will work fine. When you get to the gray scale layout, go into the workflow options tab and select 21 point readings for the Samsung.
I downloaded the Mascola patterns and am slowly getting used to using them from a usb external drive. Learning curve is a bit steeper than with the MobileForge. I had to use a beta version of Calman, because the current release requires win 7 or higher and my West Coast laptop won't go past Vista. I'll post further later this week.

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Sek3500u and hu8550 here,

I've noticed since fw 1500 that the color is over saturated and contrast is too enhanced. I haven't changed my picture settings in a long time, but have definitely noticed a less natural picture recently.... the only thing I can try is to redo S&M 2.0 disc....
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I did a full picture reset and I had to turn the contrast down from my previous/untouched calibrated level of 95-100 to 54 to get rid of banding in the S&M 2.0 test image!!! In all past firmwares I've been able to calibrate without contrast banding with a value from 90-100. Lowering to 54 fixed the overblown contrast and color but now the picture looks a little dim.



Does anyone know what's going on with fw version 1500, or have a good calibration source? I'm starting to wonder if 10bit color space is the problem, maybe the 1080P cal material on HD color space isn't working correctly like it used to on my bluray player. I've since upgraded to a UBD-K8500 4k bluray and an xb1s, I tried the S&M 2.0 disc on both and got about the same result. Setting contrast to 95 again makes my 1080p cable feed look like trash, and it didn't before, so I know they changed something in the OCB recently...

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May find out tonight, if wife goes to bed early! (Note: I'm on JS now, but will be able to tell if any differences - not expecting any.)
Several clicks worth of changes, but that has more to do with my room temperature being up. So no real changes re setting changes for 1502.1.

Re those commenting about 1500.4, yes, the PQ was slightly down graded, but was put back right with 1501.2, and now 1502.1.

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I have the 2014 UN65HU8550 tv from Samsung, and I've been trying to find out if I can do hdmi2.0 with it to get 4k at 60Hz, but I can't find any info about it. I also ran across the Evolution Kit SEK3500U. What will that do for my tv and how's it work? Anyone have this combination? I thought I could already stream 4k Netflix content and connect at 4k (30hz it seems) through my computer, so what's this box do for me? Thanks in advance!
If you get the SEK3500U it will allow you to run 4k60, as well as HDR content (10 bits), and all the new ports are hdmi 2.0/hdcp2.2

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