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I know this has probably been asked many times, but I've searched the thread and can't seem to find a definitive answer. I have a 65HU8550 TS01 panel, with the novatek chipset. I can get an SEK 3500 for $250. Is it worth it?
Especially considering the novatek, that's a yes.

At that price though, I'd want a solid (with shipping charges too) return policy as there have been so many reports on 'bargain' SEK-3500's that were already 'bricked' (possible tinkered SM) or from JS9000's (not compatable with any HU's).

At the usual "new" cost of $400, you need to also consider that Amazon just cut the 65" KS9800 down to $1495.00 w/white glove delivery. Lacking 3D, but far advanced from 8550/SEK3500 in nearly every other way, plus the warranty factor (4-Year Protection for $80.77).

That's what happened to me last year when the $329 SEK3500 was defective and they'd just cut the 65" JS9000 to $1700 (and I realized it was the last 3D Samsung for a while). And the 'Curve' allowed it to fit my existing 'corner' mount limited to a 'Flat' screen maximum of 55".
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Due to a bug Samsung put into a past FW update, only the USB Inputs have the dual settings. HDMI Inputs only have 1 set of settings, except for the Backlight and Contrast.
I've got dual settings back on one of my sets. In the process of calibrating my UN55HU6950 with the SEK-3500, I connected my laptop to the ex link port and selected it in the direct display control (DDC) tab of CalMAN. I did a Full DDC Reset on the movie mode of the set and proceded to autocal calibrate the set for both the CAL-Day and Movie mode. This process changes the expert setting in the service menu to fixed upon exiting CalMAN. Afterwards I went into movie mode to calibrate the 2 point for HDR using R.Masciola's HDR-10 UHD Test Patterns burned onto a DVD. I did so and this morning when I checked on the 2 point in movie mode it showed zeroes and Gamma at -2. I went into amazon prime to playback something with HDR and the set went into HDR mode complete with gamma at 0 and 2 point as calibrated for HDR.

More amazing, I reverted to JS mode (going into the service menu) and after changing sw to JS9000 the HDR settings for movie mode are still intact when playing back an HDR amazon prime video. I can't check my other 2 sets until the end of the month when I return to the east coast, but I will try to replicate this with my UN40HU6950 and my UN48JS8500 later this month.

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Simple test:
# 1 - Set SDR settings to Brightness of 45.
# 2 - Activate HDR. Brightness still 45? Change to 46. Deactivate HDR. What is the value of Brightness - 45 - 2 sets of settings. 46 - one set.
# 3 - This will work to 2 sets for USB Inputs, but only 1 set for HDMI Inputs. (APPS - ?)

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Simple test:
# 1 - Set SDR settings to Brightness of 45.
# 2 - Activate HDR. Brightness still 45? Change to 46. Deactivate HDR. What is the value of Brightness - 45 - 2 sets of settings. 46 - one set.
# 3 - This will work to 2 sets for USB Inputs, but only 1 set for HDMI Inputs. (APPS - ?)
2 sets prevailed for Samsung apps, but when I tried UBD-K8500 HDR-SDR only one setting. Oh well. At least it works for apps and USB and the HDR settings persist for usb and apps even after going in and out of the service menu.

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2 sets prevailed for Samsung apps, but when I tried UBD-K8500 HDR-SDR only one setting. Oh well. At least it works for apps and USB and the HDR settings persist for usb and apps even after going in and out of the service menu.
Now, what set of calibrated settings do the APPS use?

The calibrated USB values, or the HDMI?

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Now, what set of calibrated settings do the APPS use?

The calibrated USB values, or the HDMI?
The calibrated USB values.

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The calibrated USB values.
And that explains why 2 sets of settings for the APPs.

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If anyone wants a sek3500 I found a place selling for 319.00 https://www.compsource.com/ttechnote...vid=4918&src=F
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If anyone wants a sek3500 I found a place selling for 319.00 https://www.compsource.com/ttechnote...vid=4918&src=F
Looks like they ran out of stock already !

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YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO JUST LOVE THIS:

http://www.samsung.com/us/tv-upgrade/

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YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO JUST LOVE THIS:

http://www.samsung.com/us/tv-upgrade/
I thought the deal was going to be, buy 1 QLED TV, get the second one Free. (Anything to unload excess inventory.)

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Samsung is bringing the hammer in 2018, literally. A 480 zone monster to start the year with "micro full array" by years end (thousands of zones/micro LEDs). The early QLED will feature new technology to lower blooming and improve off angle viewing/off angle blacks.


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Looks like they ran out of stock already !
Wow, they had 12 the other day when I ordered looks like a bunch more coming in soon though still a great price best I have seen.
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http://www.samsung.com/us/tv-upgrade/
...or not.

You might want to bring along your accountant since, according to my math, it looks like they are only offering a 33% Upgrade Credit and only to those who pay the inflated prices offered through their website via a financing agreement.

Edit: Don't bring me along to do the math because upon further reflection you really only get up to a 16.5% Upgrade Credit since you had to purchase 2 TVs at full pop to get the 33% Upgrade Credit based on the purchase price of the initial device. Also, if you are a guy like me who pays off their debts early how about this clause which in essence would have you receiving a 0% Upgrade Credit:

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Your Upgrade Credit cannot exceed the unpaid balance of the Financed Amount for the Initial Device or 33% of the Financed Amount, whichever is less. Therefore, if you pay-off your balance or pay more than 66% of the Financed Amount before you upgrade, the amount of your Upgrade Credit may be zero or less than 33% of the cost of the Initial Device.
But especially troubling is this small print where you are going to need the services of a lawyer:

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The Upgrade Program may be modified or cancelled at any time in Samsung’s sole discretion.
The more detailed Samsung Upgrade Program Terms for Televisions goes on to say:

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Samsung reserves the right to substitute, change, cancel or add to any part of these Upgrade Terms at any time, including terminating the Upgrade Program or modifying these Upgrade Terms. In the event the Upgrade Program is terminated, you will still be responsible for any outstanding balances due under the terms of your Samsung Financing Program Account Agreement. We will use reasonable efforts to provide you with advance notice before we terminate the Upgrade Program. We will also use reasonable efforts to provide advance notice before we make changes to the Upgrade Program that, in our discretion, could significantly restrict your rights or add significant new obligations relating to your participation in the Upgrade Program.
Oh well, at least this time Samsung is not beating around the bush like they did with the Evo Kit (especially for purchasers of the 2015 JS series who have yet to see the promised upgrade) where they appear to have terminated the program without any such clause at the time of sale nor did purchasers receive any advance notice.
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Wow, they had 12 the other day when I ordered looks like a bunch more coming in soon though still a great price best I have seen.
oh if you use TJOOS at check out they knock 5.00 off every little bit helps right .
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It's going to be interesting to see how Samsung's strategy goes. That deal above, they make their money on the financing and at least they make it clear you need to take it to get the deal!

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I thought the deal was going to be, buy 1 QLED TV, get the second one Free. (Anything to unload excess inventory.)
As a matter of fact you might find this little tidbit from the Frequently Asked Questions a little unsettling...

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Initial Samsung televisions currently eligible for the Samsung Upgrade Program are QLED series 55” inches and above and all Frame series TVs.
...and if you think you will be able to upgrade to any TV you want in the future, how about these wiggle words...

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What televisions can I upgrade to?
Samsung televisions which are eligible to upgrade to under the Samsung Upgrade Program will be available from time to time on Samsung.com/us or the Shop Samsung App.
Probably the ones that aren't selling that are available everywhere at huge discounts or when they are moving inventory at the end of the model year to make way for the new stuff.

Note: The financing for TVs eligible under this program is based on 0% APR so Samsung is not profiting off the financing (at least at this juncture as far as I can tell). This is a typical tactic used in marketing to cut out the middle man (since the program is only offered through their website) to move products and lock customers in if they want to take advantage of a future Upgrade Credit that is only realized if they decide to buy another eligible product down the road. Before entering into any agreement like this be sure you are aware of how it can affect your credit utilization score and what happens if you miss a payment which will likely incur significant charges.
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I notice the deal kicks in after 2 years, and we all know that Samsung deals never get past 2 years !
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I notice the deal kicks in after 2 years, and we all know that Samsung deals never get past 2 years !
Dangling carrot; you won't fool me yet a third time, Samsung.

I guess the usual 33% discount didn't work? Warehouses still full of TVs that don't sell?

Sounds like a rewrap to me. Swing and a miss.

Trade-in might be an incentive though. Lol; I am a little concerned about my JS9500 panel developing a brown spot.

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The Samsung deal is definitely not a deal. Great breakdown by Musician. The fine print really exposes that 1.

In one connect box news, the 2018 Qled tvs will have an ocb double the size of 2017 models and will serve as the power source for the TV. So you will plug in the ocb for power but not the actual tv.
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Simple test:
# 1 - Set SDR settings to Brightness of 45.
# 2 - Activate HDR. Brightness still 45? Change to 46. Deactivate HDR. What is the value of Brightness - 45 - 2 sets of settings. 46 - one set.
# 3 - This will work to 2 sets for USB Inputs, but only 1 set for HDMI Inputs. (APPS - ?)
I tried with the Netflix and Amazon apps, and the changes passed between HDR and SDR, so still one set of settings. I tried with both "apply to all sources" and "current source" selected, but with the same result.
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Note to those who own AMD computers.

I know this has nothing to do with the SEKs, but does concern all Members who own computers.

Microsoft Windows 10 updates for December and January are seizing up AMD computers. (And some Intel CPUs) Updates currently suspended for now.

Every Computer world wide, and gadgets that includes a CPU (ie iPhones, iPads, etc) are capable of being compromised!

Read on.

https://www.wired.com/story/meltdown...erability-fix/

For AMD owners:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-in/...-based-devices
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Thinking of pulling the trigger on a SEK-3500. I haven't been following about this hardware but know it will update my hu8550 to support HDR for my xb1x. Is there anything aside from what the paperwork that comes with it that should be done? I've skimmed briefly over a few pages in this thread and have seen mention of making sure the tv is updated (The unit says it's up to date as of a few days ago via the menu) I've seen mention of bricked Evolution boxes and really don't want to trash the investment.
Are there different versions of the SEK-3500U/ZA some that should be avoided or not?

My Onkyo 5.2.2 Atmos receiver is 4K upscaling and pass through but not HDR so I'm assuming the best bet is to remove everything from the receiver and run it to the Evolution box then just run an optical out to my receiver? Pretty lost with this AV stuff as I haven't been a big researcher/follower to keep up with everything and it's been 2 years since I setup everything lol. Aside from hooking up my XB1X in Dec. Are there specific hdmi cable versions that are needed? I assume the one that came with my XB1X is sufficient for full HDR but what about other items like my Hopper3? I also stream from my media server in the office via Redemere cable but it's an older gen and only supports I believe 24-30FPS I could never get a clear answer from Samsung (surprise) on what the FPS is of the tv for 4K I'm also not sure what the max FPS is on the receiver so as mentioned earlier it's probably best to use the Evolution box for all the inputs and just run an optical from the evolution/tv to my receiver. I assume it would be from the evo and not the tv since that would be the first supply of audio to avoid any possible delays with going through the evo--->tv--->receiver.
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Thinking of pulling the trigger on a SEK-3500. I haven't been following about this hardware but know it will update my hu8550 to support HDR for my xb1x. Is there anything aside from what the paperwork that comes with it that should be done? I've skimmed briefly over a few pages in this thread and have seen mention of making sure the tv is updated (The unit says it's up to date as of a few days ago via the menu) I've seen mention of bricked Evolution boxes and really don't want to trash the investment.
Are there different versions of the SEK-3500U/ZA some that should be avoided or not?

My Onkyo 5.2.2 Atmos receiver is 4K upscaling and pass through but not HDR so I'm assuming the best bet is to remove everything from the receiver and run it to the Evolution box then just run an optical out to my receiver? Pretty lost with this AV stuff as I haven't been a big researcher/follower to keep up with everything and it's been 2 years since I setup everything lol. Aside from hooking up my XB1X in Dec. Are there specific hdmi cable versions that are needed? I assume the one that came with my XB1X is sufficient for full HDR but what about other items like my Hopper3? I also stream from my media server in the office via Redemere cable but it's an older gen and only supports I believe 24-30FPS I could never get a clear answer from Samsung (surprise) on what the FPS is of the tv for 4K I'm also not sure what the max FPS is on the receiver so as mentioned earlier it's probably best to use the Evolution box for all the inputs and just run an optical from the evolution/tv to my receiver. I assume it would be from the evo and not the tv since that would be the first supply of audio to avoid any possible delays with going through the evo--->tv--->receiver.
Follow the installation steps recommended in this thread and you won't brick the sek-3500. You'll need to turn on UHD color for any HDMI input you'll be sending UHD HDR through. You'll need premium certified HDMI cables. The one supplied with the xbox-one x will probably be ok as the one with xb1s was ok. Can't help with avr questions as mine is so old it doesn't even have HDMI.

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Follow the installation steps recommended in this thread and you won't brick the sek-3500. You'll need to turn on UHD color for any HDMI input you'll be sending UHD HDR through. You'll need premium certified HDMI cables. The one supplied with the xbox-one x will probably be ok as the one with xb1s was ok. Can't help with avr questions as mine is so old it doesn't even have HDMI.
It's funny you say the "installation steps recommended in this thread" The op hasn't been updated with proper information for new visitors. I could spend days looking through 771 pages to find these steps. The first page sure doesn't seem to have any light into proper installation of this unit. LOL
Also "premium certified HDMI cables" Is a HUGE spectrum since the HDMI cable has been created. I was sourcing a bit deeper information as in which version hdmi is needed. I could buy an original first gen "premium certified HDMI cable" and get no where with taking advantage of what the box will allow.

I have one of those so old no HDMI units. I've had to pick up a digital converter for when I needed to send my Onkyo (They didn't fully repair it either as the on screen display doesn't always work when changing volume and I'm not paying $45 again to ship it for them to get it right.) into repair so I could keep surround. The UN658550 sound alone just doesn't cut it when you've had an Atmos system lol. Sometimes I wish my Aiwa unit from 15 or so years ago had Atmos because at times it would produce better sound for certain types of movies or it could just be the front dual 6" subs the speakers from that unit have.

Anyway my efforts to get an Evolution box fell through yesterday shortly after posting as the last discounted unit sold. Just a few minutes ago I did another search and the seller had one more up for sale so I pulled the trigger at $250. Hoping it's worth it for HDR to justify the cost. Now to get it in the house after delivery without the fiance knowning. I can get away with connecting it while she is sleeping but sneaking it in the house..........
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It's funny you say the "installation steps recommended in this thread" The op hasn't been updated with proper information for new visitors. I could spend days looking through 771 pages to find these steps. The first page sure doesn't seem to have any light into proper installation of this unit. LOL
Also "premium certified HDMI cables" Is a HUGE spectrum since the HDMI cable has been created. I was sourcing a bit deeper information as in which version hdmi is needed. I could buy an original first gen "premium certified HDMI cable" and get no where with taking advantage of what the box will allow.

I have one of those so old no HDMI units. I've had to pick up a digital converter for when I needed to send my Onkyo (They didn't fully repair it either as the on screen display doesn't always work when changing volume and I'm not paying $45 again to ship it for them to get it right.) into repair so I could keep surround. The UN658550 sound alone just doesn't cut it when you've had an Atmos system lol. Sometimes I wish my Aiwa unit from 15 or so years ago had Atmos because at times it would produce better sound for certain types of movies or it could just be the front dual 6" subs the speakers from that unit have.

Anyway my efforts to get an Evolution box fell through yesterday shortly after posting as the last discounted unit sold. Just a few minutes ago I did another search and the seller had one more up for sale so I pulled the trigger at $250. Hoping it's worth it for HDR to justify the cost. Now to get it in the house after delivery without the fiance knowning. I can get away with connecting it while she is sleeping but sneaking it in the house..........
Didn't know searching a thread was such a chore - so here you go, made easy for you https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post48463841 and look at post #19989 . You need an HDMI cable rated for 18Gbps - there are plenty of cheap ones from Amazon and elsewhere such as this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Didn't know searching a thread was such a chore - so here you go, made easy for you https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post48463841 and look at post #19989 . You need an HDMI cable rated for 18Gbps - there are plenty of cheap ones from Amazon and elsewhere such as this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Haven't spent much time here so didn't even notice there was a search inside this specific post to search this thread. I'm assuming steps 3, the last part of 5, and the restore of the backup part on step 10 all are to be ignored obviously as it seems those instructions are for upgrading Evolution box's and not installing one fresh. Other then that I guess those instructions are pretty straight forward.

Is there newer firmware available other then what the 8550 sees as an update in the menu? Meaning is there a different one that should be loaded onto usb and updated that way?

I assume the Evolution kit sends picture and audio to the tv via the connect cable and an hdmi cable isn't required from the evolution box to the tv correct?

The majority of the cables I have are these which are only 10.2Gbps and 24HZ at 4K which should be fine for my Steam Link as it only supports 1080P. The Redmere cable from my media streaming pc is this one which also has the same specs so apparently that one needs to be changed to allow full 4k streaming of content. Could be why some movies if rewound will start to unsync audio from the video if a 4K movie. Don't have that issue with 1080p content. Really sucks because that one is ran under our house in the crawl space (60ft cable).

I have one of these my past order history shows but I'm pretty sure that is connected to my 43" Sammy 4K display on my game rig.

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It's funny you say the "installation steps recommended in this thread" The op hasn't been updated with proper information for new visitors. I could spend days looking through 771 pages to find these steps. The first page sure doesn't seem to have any light into proper installation of this unit. LOL
Also "premium certified HDMI cables" Is a HUGE spectrum since the HDMI cable has been created. I was sourcing a bit deeper information as in which version hdmi is needed. I could buy an original first gen "premium certified HDMI cable" and get no where with taking advantage of what the box will allow.....
So you would prefer not to search this thread where as recent as last month I posted the instructions for installing the SEK-3500 and probably a dozen times before that? Better get used to it because pretty much everything about the SEK-3500 has been posted here and most of the guys who purchased the Evo Kit in 2015 are long gone or those that have stuck around and taken on the role of being the first responder and then wearing attitude from the guy asking the question steer clear of questions from guys who haven't taken the time to do any research using the excuse that they "could spend days looking through over 20,000 posts to find their answer".

Here is my advise. Follow the instructions linked to by @andygiddings and, yes, based on the limitations of your receiver you are probably going to want to hook up all your devices to the SEK-3500 to achieve 4K HDR via HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 talked about in this post which discusses the advantages...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post45924897

As for "HDMI premium certified cables" there is only one type (offered by a few manufacturers) introduced to meet the demands of HDMI 2.0a and HDR discussed in this post -- and hundreds, if not thousands of posts on AVS Forum...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post54923766

I don't own the XBox so can't offer any help on that but my suggestion would be to continue reading on from the above post forward where gaming has come up (again) fairly recenlty.

Once you have installed the Evolution Kit and have experimented with it for a while then if you have any further questions revisit this thread and use the SEARCH THIS THREAD tool because they have probably been asked many times before otherwise ask your questions succinctly so we don't have to make assumptions because you haven't even hooked it up yet.
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