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Me too but Auto Motion Plus is not available 😞 anymore 😞

Very interesting your post!
Right, that was the first thing I noticed while tweaking the picture settings on my HU9000 + SEK-3500 is that the Auto Motion Plus setting became greyed out after enabling the Game picture mode via Menu >> System >> General >> Game Mode but turning that off has everything back to normal. I recall I have read a number of similar posts from gamers on the various related thread.

I know you were asking about restoring your settings a few days back. What I have found works best for me is a template I developed early on that you can download from the following post and edit in Microsoft Word to match your preferences:

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Please note that my current settings have evolved from those shown on the template posted way back in 2015 to those shown in thumbnail 4 below.

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Right, that was the first thing I noticed while tweaking the picture settings on my HU9000 + SEK-3500 is that the Auto Motion Plus setting became greyed out after enabling the Game picture mode via Menu >> System >> General >> Game Mode but turning that off has everything back to normal. I recall I have read a number of similar posts from gamers on the various related thread....
These days I've just been setting up my Lenovo Legion Y520 and fighting with that lag. Among others i want to use Youtube from an external PC because Tizen app has 2 problems, i'd like comments and it's normal interface and even it is the 8 core fastest TV ever... but just 1 Mb RAM [this might be the reason] can't play 4k/60 fps video.
I just forgot that [Game mode] is another mode than [Device type: PC] mode which i was set to and i was hardly trying to reduce its lag. In fact, i didn't. As i mentioned I'd like to watch 4k/60 and don't know why Y520's HD Graphics 630 does not want to set to 60 Hz (its specs allow), the second Nvidia gtx 1050i can't be switched to.
So with an admissible lag i can set
- Game mode 4k/ 30p. The drawback, scattered movement of mouse etc, 60 Hz would solve. Youtube seems ok
- Game mode 1080/ 60p. The best lag. Do not scale to 4k ok, bad text... as an observation.
- Device Type: PC mode 1080/ 60p. Lower refresh rates increase lag a lot, but some of them allow AMP, like 30p. Do not scale to 4k ok.

Very useful .doc template, did not open in my OO but have used https://www.office.com, mine is written very puzzlingly and one major difference i've discovered if you like to know, one which IMHO counts like the most
Color space to JS9000 if set to auto it won't set to Native.
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Picture options> HDMI black level> Normal - for more details, shadows of grey
AMP why not always smooth

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Probably easiest for me to break your post down so I can answer what I know or point you in the direction of those who know better...

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These days I've just been setting up my Lenovo Legion Y520 and fighting with that lag. Among others i want to use Youtube from an external PC because Tizen app has 2 problems, i'd like comments and it's normal interface and even it is the 8 core fastest TV ever... but just 1 Mb RAM [this might be the reason] can't play 4k/60 fps video.
I have no problem playing YouTube from the SEK-3500 but as far as the Tizen webbrowser goes, yeah it suck and for that reason I have an 4K HTPC hooked up to my main setup. It is also useful using the YouTube web interface where you can search for 4K videos much easier and filter your results to only include HDR (which the SEK-3500's YouTube app is not capable of since it does not support VP9.2).

I have a Chromecast Ultra in our bedroom that supports YouTube 4K HDR and enjoy my Apple TV 4K on my main setup in the living room for iTunes movies and the thousands of apps it supports.

The "Smart" in Smart TV can pretty much be replaced by a $100 gadget these days which can be easily replaced if technology changes without the need to upgrade your TV to have the latest and greatest!

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I just forgot that [Game mode] is another mode than [Device type: PC] mode which i was set to and i was hardly trying to reduce its lag. In fact, i didn't. As i mentioned I'd like to watch 4k/60 and don't know why Y520's HD Graphics 630 does not want to set to 60 Hz (its specs allow), the second Nvidia gtx 1050i can't be switched to.
So with an admissible lag i can set
- Game mode 4k/ 30p. The drawback, scattered movement of mouse etc, 60 Hz would solve. Youtube seems ok
- Game mode 1080/ 60p. The best lag. Do not scale to 4k ok, bad text... as an observation.
- Device Type: PC mode 1080/ 60p. Lower refresh rates increase lag a lot, but some of them allow AMP, like 30p. Do not scale to 4k ok.
I am not a gamer so not something I have any expertise in other than referring you back to the NVidia guide I posted offering suggested settings where the author suggested having both Device Type: PC and the Game mode turned on. He indicated he got better results this way.

Not sure what the limitations of your graphics card are but here are the specs of my HTPC...

Acer Aspire GX-785-EB11
Intel® Core™ i7-7700 3.6 GHz;
Quad-core - NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1060

...where the graphic settings allow me to set mine up to 4K at 60Hz with Color Depth at 8, 10, or 12 bpc (where I have mine set to 10 bpc) and Color Chroma of YCbCr 4:2:2 as shown in the thumbnail below which comes in very handy for watching 4K HDR content (e.g. Netflix; YouTube).

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Very useful .doc template, did not open in my OO but have used https://www.office.com, mine is written very puzzlingly and one major difference i've discovered if you like to know, one which IMHO counts like the most
Color space to JS9000 if set to auto it won't set to Native.
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Picture options> HDMI black level> Normal - for more details, shadows of grey
AMP why not always smooth
Glad you found the template useful.

For your next few comments I am going to direct you to a guide developed by @King Richard , one of our very knowledgable experts when it comes to the JS as well as the SEK-3500 settings:

JS Series Picture Settings (General Guide)

As you can see originally we had to set the Color Space to Native but firmware 1460.4 issued in August 2016 “the behavior of the "Auto" setting has been fixed and is now properly tracking the wider Rec.2020 Color Space. Therefore, you can now simply leave this setting on "Auto" for both SDR and HDR content“.

Just so you are aware its not so much that I chose HDMI Black Level to Auto, rather as my particular devices go this option is greyed out thus the reason I display ‘Auto’’ in a grey font in my settings template. This is due to the fact that when a YCrCb signal is detected, the "HDMI Black Level" setting will be unavailable ("grayed-out"). If you Search this Thread you will find a number of similar posts saying it is greyed out for other users as well and this would be the case for most devices (except perhaps computers or a game console if it is set to RGB output.

Finally, Auto Motion Plus [AMP). You ask why not always Smooth. So I’ll ask you — why not always Clear?

More commonly known as Soap Opera Effect (SOE) where some people don't notice it, some don't mind it, and a few even like it... whereas Tom Cruise has created a video telling us why we should turn it Off at least while watching movies which might have me revisiting this setting especially on inputs I use primarily for watching 24fps movie content such as Netflix, iTunes movies, or UHD Blu Rays (e.g. my Apple TV 4K and my UHD Blu Ray Player)!

If you review the guide you will see this is a personal preference where some even turn on Custom and set a secret recipe of Judder and Blur. Like @King Richard , for the most part I “prefer” Clear and have found the FIFA in France to flow very nicely on the Arris 4K Set Top Boxes provided by my cable company which output all content at 3840 x 2160 @ 60Hz.

Hope the above Guide helps and if you scroll to the bottom of @King Richard 's post you will find links in his signature to a number of other useful documents... whereas other times a Search this Thread or a Google search may be in order (like I had to do while answering this post) since most of this stuff has been discussed many times over in the past 4 years since the SEK-3500 was introduced and some long before that and I have probably forgotten more than I ever knew.

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I even PM'd him, but no reply. Assume he's moved on to bigger, and better things ? He lives far north of me here in Sudbury

New FW update for the KS9800 today - what the Member says got fixed, I don't know if this is an issue with the SEKs or JS Series? Or if it is an issue, will these TVs and SEKs also get upgraded?


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Gawd save our gracious King.

I managed to track him down and am pleased to say he is alive and well. So well in fact he started a new company dealing in car products and he is also directing his attention to other hobbies (which music 🎼 played a big part of) which can often take a backseat when dealing with the number of posts many of us have contributed to the AVS Forum as a result of our AV addiction.

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Regarding an upgrade i noted this:
Media-player Xiaomi MI Box S, 4K HDR, Android 8.1
Have you any bad opinion about it?

An interesting fact:
this youtube video https://youtu.be/mkggXE5e2yk is @60 fps and time ago TV's youtube app was trying to render it with no success. This time it worked and it shows 4k res but @30 fps. It is no more option for 60 fps. It seems the TV adapted.
If you'd like to test it @60 fps copy it on a stick from my google drive https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ze...FYcB_LCh4_TU5c
JS9000 does not play it normally.
Regarding the Xiaomi you never noted it at all but if you had of done a Search this Thread for “Xiaomi” you would have found 2 posts from 2016 and 2 more from 2018 and already know that I have never owned one like I explained back in this post...

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57164238

So suffice it to say I have no opinion about it since I don’t own one.

Your best friend in this case would be visiting this website for support or searching Google for reviews...

https://www.mi.com/us/mi-box-s

As for the LG Jazz YouTube video, I have never had a problem playing it from the TV’s YouTube app or any others I use (e.g. Apple: Chromecast). As for the TV’s YouTube app I can see via the Stat for Nerds overlay screen that it is 3840 x 2160 @ 30 (see thumbnail 1).

As an aside, just because a title says it is 60 fps, the title is not always correct and also the device it is being played on can influence the resolution and framerate displayed. For example just because one device says 30fps another might say something else for the exact same Youtube video or any video for that matter like my Computer or my Chromevast Ultra (see thumbnail 2) that outputs all content at 60hz. Another difference is that my computer is playing it in HDR with the VP9.2 codec with BT2020 which the SEK-3500 is not capable of for YouTube.

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I'm yet to read that part more carefully, left it behind because it's important and also because my js9000 can't enable Game mode if Device Type: PC. Might be something else i should do for it to work, i hope...

The main limitation of this laptop of mine is that it does not start with discrete Nvidia GTX card, have not found and there's no setting for that, i very much hope i'm wrong.
So, any setting in Nvidia driver, like resolution in this case, has no result at boot time or for desktop resolution. It switches to Nvidia mostly for 3D apps x10 ...not a gamer too, just wanted a laptop fast enough for any video on youtube.
You are chasing rainbows trying to use a complicated and perhaps underpowered PC / Laptop just to play YouTube videos. You would be much better served by buying an Apple TV 4K or a third party device that supports VP9.2 (required for 4K HDR on YouTube) which can be plugged into one of the HDMI ports... or perhaps that is what your Xioami was intended for.

The PC / Game settings really wouldn't help here. Those are more about reducing the graphics quality to increase the framerates in games.... not YouTube videos or for compensating for a poor internet connection.

Or just use the TV’s YouTube app. It’s decent and plays 4K very nicely... just not HDR.
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Please let me argue for this quote, i see it like this:
"Auto" setting has been fixed - if you happen to need it - and is now properly tracking the wider Rec.2020 Color Space (properly calibrated now). Therefore, you can now simply leave this setting on "Auto" for both SDR and HDR content“.

Not Native mode might be useful when you want colours to match sRGB limited colour space or who knows what old SDR content.
Also Samsung says, if you want to use the TV at its full colour specs you need set to Native... at least for JS Native is super.
Native is maximum color space of TV
Normal is limited.
As it has been explained (not just on this thread) but the Color Space setting was fixed in 2016 so the Auto setting now works as intended so the end user doesn’t have to keep switching back and forth.

I get the feeling you are confused (and causing me a lot of work) and do not fully understand @King Richard ’s guide. There is no normal setting in Color Space. And why else would Samsung even have 3 settings, Auto, Native, Custom (see thumbnail below).

What you have done in your quest to argue is completely mixed up the Color Space setting found under Advanced Settings with the HDMI Black Level setting found under Picture Settings. Both of these settings have been discussed at length in @King Richard s JS Series Picture Settings (General Guide) as well as various other posts found on this thread.

If you don't believe him or me do a Search this Thread or do your own research.

See ya!

But before you go do you think the ‘S’ stands for “Super”? Why not “Spectacular” or “Stupendous”? It was a term coined by Samsung in 2015 to differentiate their quantum dot displays from their other models.

Super UHD/SUHD

It was at CES in 2015 where Samsung first started using the term SUHD; there were a lot of questions at the time as to what the S stood for. Some speculated it meant “Super” while others argued for “Spectacular”, “Stupendous” or even the very on-the-nose “Samsung”. In an effort to differentiate themselves in the market, Samsung took the high end set of their 4K displays and designated them as SUHD. The hallmarks of these displays included Samsung’s implementation of Quantum Dot display tech, offering wider colour gamut and a richer visual experience. SUHD TVs, 4K HDR TVs, Super UHD TVs, and Ultra HD HDR TVs are all 4K, so they too have a resolution of 3840×2160.

Source: Understanding the difference between 4K, UHD, SUHD, Super UHD and OLED
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Not really mentioned here, but Auto is for those who do NOT, or have NOT had their sets calibrated.
For those of us that calibrate our sets, Custom is the only way to go. Both for the best color in SDR, and HDR.

As a PS, the 1240.0 FW upgrade for the KS9800, it's upped the Contrast to 98, and a complete new calibration has to be done, so something got changed.

Now, will Samsung surprise everyone, and upgrade the 2015 sets, and SEK-3500Us?
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The only misunderstanding was you confusing 2 different settings, Color Space and HDMI Black Level into one!...
As I read your posts you are confusing Color Space with Gamut. With my words, Gamut is a percent of how much of a certain Color Space a panel can display.

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...The only reason...
You gave me your settings so I posted mine.

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See there is no choice for Normal...
"Color space to JS9000 if set to auto it won't set to Native."
That was my answer and if you insisted I made an irrelevant mistake. In normal conditions you

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That is mis-information!
Of course

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"HDMI Black Level" is grayed-out because it is receiving a YCbCr signal...
My mediabox has nothing else but Picture Quality with
- Standard
- High (RGB)
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...579888&thumb=1

Both of them must give RGB signal as "HDMI Black Level" setting is available.

The fact is "HDMI Black Level" set to Auto make the 2 columns not distinguish
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...579892&thumb=1

When set to Normal it's ok
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@dax45 , as a result of you continuing to reply to me after asking me "No more advice, please. " I have abided by your wishes and ask that you respect mine by quit antagonizing me.

I see you as a frustrated owner of the European JS9000 that isn't running the same firmware as our SEK-3500 (nor do you even own one) who has now resorted to taking my last couple of posts out of context so as a result I deleted them because, like I told you earlier, I am not interested in providing any more assistance especially where you continue to keep twisting things around to support your misconceptions that I am somehow confused. You have turned this conversation into a dialect about picture settings rather than your initial concerns — your TV’’s YouTube app and the computer issues that initially brought you to this thread which really should have been raised in the JS9000 thread once you were told that “no”, you could not use the UHD Evolution Kit Backup option to restore your settings each time you did a Reset. Silly me for sharing the template I developed in 2015 when you wouldn’t accept “no” for an answer or take the advice of another member who suggested using a pen and paper or to take pictures.

I am not going to spend anymore of my time trying to defend myself commenting on the above two posts or the one below other than to touch on a couple of comments of yours briefly...

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I repeat, only 60 fps videos and for sure those high bitrate. It seems Youtube app doesn't play them anymore that's why I gave that link anybody wants to test @60 fps from a stick. After testing you can say whether having or not the problem.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ze...FYcB_LCh4_TU5c
Testing @ 30 fps is not relevant.
Why the hostility? The first thumbnail I provided to you in post 23738 was a picture of my TV's YouTube Smart Hub app which was reporting [email protected] whereas thumbnail 2 was a photo of my Computer reporting that the video was indeed [email protected] which supported what you were saying that the TV’s YouTube app doesn't play them at 60 fps anymore... however upon further reflection I am not convinced it ever did (see post 20269 from 2016) but now you want to turn that into a slam about my testing? Not cool.

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and Again here those dropped frames pics + other offtopics related to my post
That’ll teach me for posting comparison pictures which are totally on-topic to the issues you are having. The reason I posted them again was a result of this post of yours where you said “30 fps?! picture no 1?!” which gave me the impression you couldn’t see the thumbnail pictures so I posted them again but this time full screen. For the benefit of anyone reading this post and thinking you have one over on me, the dropped frames on the second thumbnail (173 dropped of 1588) while playing it on my PC were the result of me dragging the progress scroll bar so people viewing the pictures could tell they came from the same video. Attached is another thumbnail while playing the video on my PC again this morning and as you can see, with a Connection Speed like mine, dropped frames are really not an issue.

To satisfy my curiosity I also ran a battery of tests on the TV’s YouTube app to determine that the Stats For Nerds would report the native frame rate (e.g. 24 / 25 fps used by many movie trailers) as long as the video did not exceed 30 fps. Likewise on my PC where the Stats for Nerds reported the native frame rate for all videos up to 60 fps.

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The fact is "HDMI Black Level" set to Auto make the 2 columns not distinguish

When set to Normal it's ok
Nobody was telling you to set the HDMI Black Level setting to Auto nor am I going to get into discussion about what is the correct setting since it has been discussed many times on this and the JS9000 thread and depends on whether the device is outputting a color range of 0-255 or 16-235. Rather I was merely saying that is what appears in my settings because, as I have explained to you before (at least twice now), it is greyed-out in the picture I provided as a result of my devices sending YCbCr.

Like I have said in the past and I'll say it again, a read of King Richard’s JS Series Picture Settings (General Guide) which is linked to in the very first post on the JS9000 thread provides recommendations you may wish to follow when establishing your settings which is where I obtained those lengthy quotes from in the posts I have since deleted. If you choose to use the guide or not then that’s your choice.

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This simple solution is a bad solution and as you said you already suggested it.
I need the computer working too.
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Maybe you might want to consider that I spent 30 years of my life in the Information Technology sector for a major employer writing large scale award winning software on mainframes, minis, and client server applications long before most people had even heard of the internet working my way up to senior management before retiring at 49 years of age so I am no stranger when it comes to technical terminology or knowing my way around a computer or developing software testing scripts and documentation or presenting as a key-note speaker at some of the industry events around the world. As you can see by my post count I have tried to give-forward by helping guys out on AVS Forum as well as in my community. Trying to say I was confusing Gamut with the Samsung TV's HDMI Color Space setting which has 3 simple choices is laughable but that should be apparent to the guys who have followed my posts on this thread.

Rembember I am not the one having problems with my TV's Smart Hub YouTube app... nor my Computer... nor any one of my other devices strewn around my house hooked up to one or another of my two TV's with SEK-3500s.

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Nobody was telling you to set the HDMI Black Level setting to Auto....
Here I'm not antagonistic. Auto sets to Low, it's the same image. I just showed my setup which in practice displays more shadows of grey than the theory from those quotes you have deleted... and not to argue but because I'm interested in a better image and something didn't match. Anyway, I'll keep my actual setting Normal.

Ah, you already have likes, so let's explain further:
My fw version is stable and I'm not frustrated, I wouldn't be sane. Tizen has nothing more to offer, it's a shame of monotasking OS combined with 1Gb RAM. I would choose any other not Tizen-mediabox instead Evolution Kit.
When more than 2 web pages opened it couldn't switch one to another without refreshing. Almost all its apps are s...s. Right after bought it with all its super specs, I wanted to test a game but surprise, it cannot render 3D at all, any smartphone is much better regarding video card. And all kind of silly things happen on the screen at some commands, not to say that its TV tuner is so slow so I kept and I'm using only TV cable provider media box which is many times faster.
I also found some bugs, I told Samsung but of course no interest from them.
After 3 years I've discovered a big vertical stripe visible on some colours, I think it's not bleeding, already thinking for another.
Yet I have chosen and prefer it. At that time was no other good offer in wide gamut area. Gamut was the main factor in choosing a TV and as I see it makes the price the most.

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Why the hostility?....
It's not, it might seem, I think more synthetically, I like research. It was the moment when you said Bye Bye etc and I didn't understand because I think it was nothing to understand. Be sure I respect you. What's yours only you have, in terms of experience and so on. Sorry for posting again.

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Does anyone know where to purchase one of these without having to sell my kidney first?
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Does anyone know where to purchase one of these without having to sell my kidney first?
The short answer is “no” but to delve into why is going to take some time answering so I sure hope to get a few ‘Likes’ outa this!

Here goes.

First off I see you live outside of North America. The SEK-3500’s each have a different identifier in the model number (e.g. USA & Canada SEK-3500U/ZA) so it’s important you research which one you’d need rather than jumping all over something on eBay that is priced beyond belief and won’t work with your TV.

Secondly, I have used Australia for demonstrative purposes and as you can see (thumbnail 1) lists a number of the different SEK Evolution Kits that have come out over the years but when you pick the SEK-3500 all you get is a page saying Samsung is here to help (thumbnail 2).

Moving right along when you select what you’d think would be the new and improved SEK-4500 (thumbnail 3) the bubble burst when you read the 7 reviews beginning on this page and especially Samsung’s response to the criticism like these winners...

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Dom · Social Media Team · 21 days ago

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We are always looking for ways to better our service, and your feedback is an invaluable part of that process. Our management team have been notified of this and will take measures to fix this issue. We apologise for the inconvenience you have had.
...and as you continue to scroll through the reviews you will see this is the same line of bull they were saying when it first came out about 5 months ago...

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Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We are always looking for ways to better our service, and your feedback is an invaluable part of that process. Our management team have been notified of this and will take measures to fix this issue. We apologise for the inconvenience you have had.
Dom has the best job at Samsung... cut... paste... repeat...

I guess they have been too busy apologizing rather than getting around to fixing the issues!

No way do I recommend the SEK-4500 and believe the only reason the 2015 SEK-3500’s have jumped up so much in price is a case of Supply & Demand because the replacement that came out 4 years later turned out to be such a piece of crap!

Sorry.
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Does the SEK-3500 have the newer HULU app, the one that has live TV on it or the original HULU app.

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It does not support the live TV.
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So I pressed the EXTRA button on my remote this morning and this is what I saw (see thumbnail below).

What next Samsung? What next?!!
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Hi,

I have the HU9000 and bought the sek-3500u (bn68-07106b)

I think this box is not compatible because i get unsupported massage after i did the whole steps and turned on the tv.

So after reading couple post, some guys suggested i schouldv bought the one with white sticker on the back?

Should i buy another one with this model: bn91-14845v ?

I need it mosly for hdcp2.2 4k 4.4.4

Right know i allways manually swich hdmi between ports to watch netflix 4k or other port for gaming with full rgb.

Thanks in advance ;p
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Hi,

I have the HU9000 and bought the sek-3500u (bn68-07106b)

I think this box is not compatible because i get unsupported massage after i did the whole steps and turned on the tv.

So after reading couple post, some guys suggested i schouldv bought the one with white sticker on the back?

Should i buy another one with this model: bn91-14845v ?

I need it mosly for hdcp2.2 4k 4.4.4

Right know i allways manually swich hdmi between ports to watch netflix 4k or other port for gaming with full rgb.

Thanks in advance ;p
White sticker on the bottom with a BN# is not a SEK-3500U. The SEK-3500U actually has a 3" sticker on the bottom stating that it is a SEK-3500U.
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Hi,

I have the HU9000 and bought the sek-3500u (bn68-07106b)

I think this box is not compatible because i get unsupported massage after i did the whole steps and turned on the tv.

So after reading couple post, some guys suggested i schouldv bought the one with white sticker on the back?

Should i buy another one with this model: bn91-14845v ?

I need it mosly for hdcp2.2 4k 4.4.4

Right know i allways manually swich hdmi between ports to watch netflix 4k or other port for gaming with full rgb.

Thanks in advance ;p
The part number for the SEK-3500U/ZA is bn68-07106a
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Hi,

I have the HU9000 and bought the sek-3500u (bn68-07106b)

I think this box is not compatible because i get unsupported massage after i did the whole steps and turned on the tv.

So after reading couple post, some guys suggested i schouldv bought the one with white sticker on the back?

Should i buy another one with this model: bn91-14845v ?

I need it mosly for hdcp2.2 4k 4.4.4

Right know i allways manually swich hdmi between ports to watch netflix 4k or other port for gaming with full rgb.

Thanks in advance ;p
And just to add to the feedback each country has it’s own version and based on your post I am guessing you aren’t from North America so the SEK-3500U/ZA isn’t going to work for you.
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Hi,

I have the HU9000 and bought the sek-3500u (bn68-07106b)

I think this box is not compatible because i get unsupported massage after i did the whole steps and turned on the tv.

So after reading couple post, some guys suggested i schouldv bought the one with white sticker on the back?

Should i buy another one with this model: bn91-14845v ?

I need it mosly for hdcp2.2 4k 4.4.4

Right know i allways manually swich hdmi between ports to watch netflix 4k or other port for gaming with full rgb.

Thanks in advance ;p
White sticker on the bottom with a BN# is not a SEK-3500U. The SEK-3500U actually has a 3" sticker on the bottom stating that it is a SEK-3500U.
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Hi,

I have the HU9000 and bought the sek-3500u (bn68-07106b)

I think this box is not compatible because i get unsupported massage after i did the whole steps and turned on the tv.

So after reading couple post, some guys suggested i schouldv bought the one with white sticker on the back?

Should i buy another one with this model: bn91-14845v ?

I need it mosly for hdcp2.2 4k 4.4.4

Right know i allways manually swich hdmi between ports to watch netflix 4k or other port for gaming with full rgb.

Thanks in advance ;p
The part number for the SEK-3500U/ZA is bn68-07106a
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Hi,

I have the HU9000 and bought the sek-3500u (bn68-07106b)

I think this box is not compatible because i get unsupported massage after i did the whole steps and turned on the tv.

So after reading couple post, some guys suggested i schouldv bought the one with white sticker on the back?

Should i buy another one with this model: bn91-14845v ?

I need it mosly for hdcp2.2 4k 4.4.4

Right know i allways manually swich hdmi between ports to watch netflix 4k or other port for gaming with full rgb.

Thanks in advance ;p
And just to add to the feedback each country has it’️s own version and based on your post I am guessing you aren’️t from North America so the SEK-4500U/ZA isn’️t going to work for you.





Here is the pic from the back, should it be compatible with my hu9000?

And also i live in dubai in the middle east, will it work?

Thanks
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Here is the pic from the back, should it be compatible with my hu9000?

And also i live in dubai in the middle east, will it work?

Thanks
As mentioned by Musician, SEK-3500U/ZA is for North America, and will only work on the UN55/65/78HU9000F North American series.

I assume you have the UA55/65/HU9000R/W, then you must have a SEK-3500U for these series of TVs.

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And also i live in dubai in the middle east, will it work?

Thanks
According to Post 23612 and Post 23613, no, not unless you have the skillset to short the EPROM and re-burn it which I know nothing about nor would any of the responders to your earlier post take any responsibility for attempting to do this.

Best to hunt down the SEK-3500U/XS for compatibility with your TV.

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And also i live in dubai in the middle east, will it work?

Thanks
It probably won't work for you unless you bought your set from North America. On the other hand, the North American version of the SEK-3500U/ZA are a hot item on ebay.
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It probably won't work for you unless you bought your set from North America. On the other hand, the North American version of the SEK-3500U/ZA are a hot item on ebay.
I'm still up in the air about selling my spare. 2 in use on the HU7250 and HU9000, If one of them goes down, replacement is pretty well nada!

Surprised at Samsung, with so much pent up demand, why not satisfy it? Oh, I forgot, then people don't buy new upgrade TVs!
Maybe they'd better think about it. I understand in the USA TCL is now outselling Samsung !
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Thanks,

I will look into opening it and reseting it is there any pics or videos of the location of the pins?
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I will look into opening it and reseting it is there any pics or videos of the location of the pins?
Did you read this post that I provided you the link with...

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Did you take a picture to show which pins to short? Also post with warning `Not to try this if you're not in the know! I'm not responsible if a Member bricks his OCB!!'
If you do a little reading forward you will see that @Asterysk from Dubai never got back to him and only had a total of 4 posts on this thread. As a matter of fact he never posted on AVS Forum again but if you review a post he wrote in the past it makes it appear as though originally he had a “returned” SEK-3500U/XS that he reset...

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EEPROM wipe sek-3500 , I picked up a “returned” 3500u/xs which had previously been used on a different generation tv so was locked. After much experimentation I opened the box and took out the circuit board. eEPROM was easy to
Locate on back. I did a non standard wipe ( shorted pins 5+6 ) , power on for 2 mins , power off and restart. This reset it back to factory. I’ve got a /za version coming that is non functional , will try the same technique and see if I can get it to work and then explore exact differences between the XS ( Australian ) and ZA ( USA)
It wasn’t until later on that he also hacked an SEK-3500U/ZA but was not successful receiving terrestrial broadcasts on that one according to his subsequent post I provided to you earlier. And although he was going to compare the differences between the XS and ZA I can’t vouch for what other functionality he might have lost (nor even what firmware he should be using) since he disappeared without sharing anymore details.

If you attempt this and damage the EPROM or any other chips or circuitry inside the SEK-3500U/ZA you have taken a pre-owned Evo Kit that can currently fetch up to $650 USD and turned it into junk.

On that note, just so you are aware it is against forum rules to discuss hacking on AVS Forum so if this is something you think you’d like to pursue I would suggest you try to contact @Asterysk via Private Message.

Edit: One other thing, since members from Dubai rarely post on this thread, I would also call the Samsung Dubai support line for additional information and provide them with the model number of your TV and obtain advise on which Evolution Kit you should be using.

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I will look into opening it and reseting it is there any pics or videos of the location of the pins?
Hi, I didn't get the /ZA to work with my Dubai bought TV. I couldn't get the TV configuration menu to accept the box even after an EEPROM reset

The /XS is the one to get, I got it from Jacky's who are one of 3 service companies for Samsung in UAE. It was an Australian version they supplied.

If you want to go ahead with the EEROM reset then drop me a PM and we can chat on phone

Overall, although I am extremely happy with the improvement the 3500 gives, I paid 1150 AED for it and with hindsight I should have just bought a new TV. Things that annoy me are:

(1) After switching out of standby, you have to wait about a minute before you can switch source
(2) No optical out so I can't easily connect to my DAC
(3) Remote is awful, I ended up getting a basic black remote
(4) I can now see the patchy backlight illumination when I have a dark picture, never noticed it before but now that I have a better picture it becomes more apparent
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