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I'm getting really disheartened with all this TV swapping. I first went to buy a 4KTV in Feb 2015 and returned the initial Panasonic I had due to banding and then I had the 65X850B which had bad backlight issues which in all honesty I mostly got rid of but I got offered to upgrade to a X930C by Sony for an additional $1500 which means I have now spent $5000 (I'm in Australia so that is aussie dollars) and now after having the 930C for over a week and doing so much changing of settings etc I am really pissed as the 930C is worse than the 850B! My 930C has 2 inches on each far side of the screen that is obviously discoloured compared to the centre and yes I am viewing straight on and the dirty screen effect when playing FIFA and watching sports like soccer is so distracting that I get so annoyed that I turn the TV off and can't be bothered watching it as it is disgusting paying $5000 for this crap. My issue now is when I ring Sony what do I do, get another 930C and hope for better or try and ply a refund out of them and get something else. Any advice would be great guys.
I went through three 930C's before jumping to a 940C. Two of the 930C's had the discoloration on the sides you are describing, and all three had bad vertical banding as you are describing. So far, the 940C has been much better on the first try. If you have the space and budget, I would consider this leap.
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Can XBR-75X940C do 18Gbps HDMI 2.0 A?
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I sit off center, at about 11 feet from my 930C. If it were a 3 person couch I would be the far right cushion. Every now and then I notice (if I stare for it a lighter color area about as you describe on the left side of the display, but since I am straight out from the right it looks fine. I figure this is one drawback of the type of panel and its small view angle. IPS panels are much better angles but the blacks suck.

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Thanks for the reply. Yeah I can't make the leap to the 940C unfortunately. So I am looking for the best 65inch non curved panel which I was hoping the 930C was. So not really sure what to do. Almost feel like getting money back and waiting but waiting is not my strong point when it comes to tech lol
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The Australian models just received an update for Twin Picture.
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Can they release an update making the Australian TV's look good! lol
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Can they release an update making the Australian TV's look good! lol
I've had my X9400C since 1 July and it is my original set. It has no DSE, banding, dead pixels, stuck pixels, marks on the reflective coating etc...

Admittedly I haven't spent more than 30 seconds looking closely for dud pixels - and that was only for interests sake after reading some of the stories here - but I couldn't see anything up close and certainly can't see anything from 9 feet where I sit.
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I've had my X9400C since 1 July and it is my original set. It has no DSE, banding, dead pixels, stuck pixels, marks on the reflective coating etc...

Admittedly I haven't spent more than 30 seconds looking closely for dud pixels - and that was only for interests sake after reading some of the stories here - but I couldn't see anything up close and certainly can't see anything from 9 feet where I sit.
Ah nice mate. Unfortunately don't have the budget for the 940C.
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The issues they speak of in this review very much resemble my issues with my 930C. I'm getting really angry that TV manufacturers and in this case Sony want us to pay so much for such imperfection. http://www.trustedreviews.com/sony-k...review-summary
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Me either. I'm in the same boat still debating whether to get 75X940c or 65JS9500 after I returned my X930C. Right now it is possible to get JS9500 that has FALD, one connect box and better OS at nearly 3k vs the 6k for X940c. But I'm worried that the JS9500 will not be able to match X940c in picture quality(especially in 4K) and motion controls, also the blooming issue for the JS9500 has been irritating and so far the QC for 940c seems better. With that in mind, the 940c is 6k which is almost the double of 65JS9500 and is too heavy(returning the 65" X930c was a pain for me already). Wishing the Sony had 65"FALD like they did last year with the x950b then the decision would have been much easier. I'm really not sure if spending 6k is worth it since it is possible that I might upgrade to OLED when it becomes more mature in 3-5 years.
65" is way to small, I'd never make the trade of a 75" for a 65", just too much of a loss in realestate. I'd be going to a 78" 9500, or hell I may return the screen, get a cheap 80" vizio and wait for OLED's to reach their full potential in 3 years. Not sure yet, I'll wait to see what happens, if the price drop does occure (to 5999) and best buy refunds me some money, then I will keep it.
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Me either. I'm in the same boat still debating whether to get 75X940c or 65JS9500 after I returned my X930C. Right now it is possible to get JS9500 that has FALD, one connect box and better OS at nearly 3k vs the 6k for X940c. But I'm worried that the JS9500 will not be able to match X940c in picture quality(especially in 4K) and motion controls, also the blooming issue for the JS9500 has been irritating and so far the QC for 940c seems better. With that in mind, the 940c is 6k which is almost the double of 65JS9500 and is too heavy(returning the 65" X930c was a pain for me already). Wishing the Sony had 65"FALD like they did last year with the x950b then the decision would have been much easier. I'm really not sure if spending 6k is worth it since it is possible that I might upgrade to OLED when it becomes more mature in 3-5 years.
Keep in mind, the JS9500 bested the 940 during the 2015 Value Electronics Flat-Panel Shootout earlier this year so it would seem that the picture quality is comparable if not better in a lot peoples opinions. Although I believe it was the 78-inch 9500 and not the 65-inch. I'm happy with my 930 and am fortunate to not have (or at least not aware of) near the problems others are reporting with this model.
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The issues they speak of in this review very much resemble my issues with my 930C. I'm getting really angry that TV manufacturers and in this case Sony want us to pay so much for such imperfection. http://www.trustedreviews.com/sony-k...review-summary
But yet HDTV Test, a much more respected site, gave it a great review, and it has a 4.4 out of 12 reviews on Amazon (one 1 star review is not even about the tv itself).

And let me let you in on a little secret, there is NO perfect display. They are ALL imperfect. I can nitpick several things about my 65" VT50, and it was one of the better tv's ever made.

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Where has the thinking gone on making adjustments for HDR?

I am pleased to report that my 940C is now producing a great picture! Settings posted here and other tweaking tips from this forum helped, but it appears that one major issue for me was that my Yamaha RX-V677 receiver was adulterating the picture even with it in "Through" mode. I am biting the bullet and have ordered a Marantz 5010 to hopefully deal with that issue.

As I have begun to watch more now that things are working better. I was pleasantly surprised to have it pop into HDR mode very quickly while watching an episode of Marco Polo on Netflix. You really saw the impact of HDR in night scenes with very fine gradations of black and appropriately seeing some color in low light situations that would mostly be black otherwise. That said, what I also noticed was that lanterns, fires, etc., seemed too bright, and the reflected light from a fire made the faces appear too red. Any thoughts on this?
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940C and HDR

Where has the thinking gone on making adjustments for HDR?

I am pleased to report that my 940C is now producing a great picture! Settings posted here and other tweaking tips from this forum helped, but it appears that one major issue for me was that my Yamaha RX-V677 receiver was adulterating the picture even with it in "Through" mode. I am biting the bullet and have ordered a Marantz 5010 to hopefully deal with that issue.

As I have begun to watch more now that things are working better. I was pleasantly surprised to have it pop into HDR mode very quickly while watching an episode of Marco Polo on Netflix. You really saw the impact of HDR in night scenes with very fine gradations of black and appropriately seeing some color in low light situations that would mostly be black otherwise. That said, what I also noticed was that lanterns, fires, etc., seemed too bright, and the reflected light from a fire made the faces appear too red. Any thoughts on this?
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Where has the thinking gone on making adjustments for HDR?

I am pleased to report that my 940C is now producing a great picture! Settings posted here and other tweaking tips from this forum helped, but it appears that one major issue for me was that my Yamaha RX-V677 receiver was adulterating the picture even with it in "Through" mode. I am biting the bullet and have ordered a Marantz 5010 to hopefully deal with that issue.

As I have begun to watch more now that things are working better. I was pleasantly surprised to have it pop into HDR mode very quickly while watching an episode of Marco Polo on Netflix. You really saw the impact of HDR in night scenes with very fine gradations of black and appropriately seeing some color in low light situations that would mostly be black otherwise. That said, what I also noticed was that lanterns, fires, etc., seemed too bright, and the reflected light from a fire made the faces appear too red. Any thoughts on this?
So how did you know the screen was in HDR mode? I'm still confused by this.

And as for the red comment, If my screen is indeed switching to HDR mode properly, then I agree, I tried watching The Amazing Spiderman 2 and felt like all the colors were way oversaturated and red was being pushed like crazy. But again I have no way of knowing if it was in HDR, the only sign is that if i press the menu buttont he screen goes blank and then the menu pops up, basically seems like the TV automatically jumps out of HDR mode whenever the menu is brought up.
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So how did you know the screen was in HDR mode? I'm still confused by this.

And as for the red comment, If my screen is indeed switching to HDR mode properly, then I agree, I tried watching The Amazing Spiderman 2 and felt like all the colors were way oversaturated and red was being pushed like crazy. But again I have no way of knowing if it was in HDR, the only sign is that if i press the menu buttont he screen goes blank and then the menu pops up, basically seems like the TV automatically jumps out of HDR mode whenever the menu is brought up.
It was the marked difference in picture quality in terms of the richness of the color. That, and the issues with light sources that I noted in my original message. It could be that all colors were oversaturated, but in these night scenes it only seemed that way around light sources or their reflected light.
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So how did you know the screen was in HDR mode? I'm still confused by this.

And as for the red comment, If my screen is indeed switching to HDR mode properly, then I agree, I tried watching The Amazing Spiderman 2 and felt like all the colors were way oversaturated and red was being pushed like crazy. But again I have no way of knowing if it was in HDR, the only sign is that if i press the menu buttont he screen goes blank and then the menu pops up, basically seems like the TV automatically jumps out of HDR mode whenever the menu is brought up.
1 - Launch the Amazon app
2 - using the ACTION MENU on the remote select "Picture adjustments" after the "Picture adjustments" menu opens you should see at the top, below "Picture adjustments" the term "Apps (video), this means this setting will be applied to streaming content.
3 - set the "Picture mode" to "Vivid" (this is just to provide the greatest contrast between Vivid and HDR modes)
4 - change the color setting to "Min" this will make it so non-HDR content will use the ""Vivid" picture mode and the content will be black and white.
5 - Play several non-HDR videos and you should see that they will all play in Black and White.
6 - Play the HDR version of "Red Oaks" and "Mozart In The Jungle" please note that it is not Black and White, it will use the HDR picture mode settings.

Or just change the HDR setting to have Color Min and if it is using HDR the TV will be using HDR mode and the video will be in Black and White.
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Ultraflix is now on my Sony 940c and it looks pretty good!
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Thanks for the info Ken!
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But yet HDTV Test, a much more respected site, gave it a great review, and it has a 4.4 out of 12 reviews on Amazon (one 1 star review is not even about the tv itself).

And let me let you in on a little secret, there is NO perfect display. They are ALL imperfect. I can nitpick several things about my 65" VT50, and it was one of the better tv's ever made.
Yep completely understand no display is perfect. I was just wanting it to be better than my 65X850B and it is not which is why I am so angry. I have contacted Sony and am going through the process, so probably another 6 months before I get a resolution like last time.
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But yet HDTV Test, a much more respected site, gave it a great review, and it has a 4.4 out of 12 reviews on Amazon (one 1 star review is not even about the tv itself).

And let me let you in on a little secret, there is NO perfect display. They are ALL imperfect. I can nitpick several things about my 65" VT50, and it was one of the better tv's ever made.
Also, gadgtfreek what settings do you use for your 930C now after calibration? Would love to test them on mine. Thanks
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1 - Launch the Amazon app
2 - using the ACTION MENU on the remote select "Picture adjustments" after the "Picture adjustments" menu opens you should see at the top, below "Picture adjustments" the term "Apps (video), this means this setting will be applied to streaming content.
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4 - change the color setting to "Min" this will make it so non-HDR content will use the ""Vivid" picture mode and the content will be black and white.
5 - Play several non-HDR videos and you should see that they will all play in Black and White.
6 - Play the HDR version of "Red Oaks" and "Mozart In The Jungle" please note that it is not Black and White, it will use the HDR picture mode settings.

Or just change the HDR setting to have Color Min and if it is using HDR the TV will be using HDR mode and the video will be in Black and White.
Crazy. So yes the Amazon HDR shows are working, now how to I calibrate the HDR mode to get rid of the ultra saturated look? Will changing the picture mode to HDR and changing those settings apply to the automatic HDR mode?

Is it really that hard for sony to put an HDR icon on the screen when the mode is activate for a second, much like how the tv tells you when it switches to 24fps.

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The saturated colours are supposed to be like that as it is using a different colous space while playing HDR. You think it's over saturated but it is all these colours that u did not know where possible as it has billions of colours in HDR when showing 10 bit videos. You can tone it down off course but those colours in HDR are supposed to be very vivid.
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Should Clear Audio be set to On or Off? Can anyone post their sound settings?

I've been noticing some Lip syncing issues on my Apple TV and I noticed it was on. I got the sub (it's awesome) but here are the settings that came automatically on my TV -

ClearAudio+ - On
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Night - Off
Wireless Subwoofer Power - Auto
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Balance - 0
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The saturated colours are supposed to be like that as it is using a different colous space while playing HDR. You think it's over saturated but it is all these colours that u did not know where possible as it has billions of colours in HDR when showing 10 bit videos. You can tone it down off course but those colours in HDR are supposed to be very vivid.
I dont believe that, well I do, not questioning what you say, rather that I dont feel what I am seeing is what you are describing, I saw these films in amazing theatres and they never looked that bad. Flesh tones are way too red (like turning Living Color setting up to high bad), spidermans outfit basically glows harsh red with no definition or shading instead of being complex red.
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I'm getting really disheartened with all this TV swapping. I first went to buy a 4KTV in Feb 2015 and returned the initial Panasonic I had due to banding and then I had the 65X850B which had bad backlight issues which in all honesty I mostly got rid of but I got offered to upgrade to a X930C by Sony for an additional $1500 which means I have now spent $5000 (I'm in Australia so that is aussie dollars) and now after having the 930C for over a week and doing so much changing of settings etc I am really pissed as the 930C is worse than the 850B! My 930C has 2 inches on each far side of the screen that is obviously discoloured compared to the centre and yes I am viewing straight on and the dirty screen effect when playing FIFA and watching sports like soccer is so distracting that I get so annoyed that I turn the TV off and can't be bothered watching it as it is disgusting paying $5000 for this crap. My issue now is when I ring Sony what do I do, get another 930C and hope for better or try and ply a refund out of them and get something else. Any advice would be great guys.
For the discoloring issue, do you have other speakers near the TV speakers? How about taking some pictures so we can see what it looks like?
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So different question...know some in the forums have upgraded to directv hr54 receiver. I would really appreciate any info as to practical tangible differences between the hr44 and hr55, particularly re: pq, upscaling, and compression/noise/artifacting on 720p content specifically. The tech dept at directv know next to nothing about such issues, saying that there shouldn't be any difference, also having no info about differing hardware/software. But I wanted to ask the experts, so I'm asking u guys. Many many thanks!!
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Is it 5.1 surround unlike Amazon?

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