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I want to throw this out there regarding HDR and nits.

The 75x940c with brightness all the way up is in the neighborhood of 350-450 watts. If the measurements posted elsewhere are correct, that's about 1000 nits.

With the brightness all the way down, which is where I keep it, and even then in some scenes, it's a hair too bright, it's around 90 watts.

That means just the additional brightness to go from low brightness to 1000 nits is 250-350 watts.

If the new 940D does 4000 nits as claimed, that's a lot of extra watts...
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I want to throw this out there regarding HDR and nits.

The 75x940c with brightness all the way up is in the neighborhood of 350-450 watts. If the measurements posted elsewhere are correct, that's about 1000 nits.

With the brightness all the way down, which is where I keep it, and even then in some scenes, it's a hair too bright, it's around 90 watts.

That means just the additional brightness to go from low brightness to 1000 nits is 250-350 watts.

If the new 940D does 4000 nits as claimed, that's a lot of extra watts...
For the last time lol...the 940D DOES NOT DO 4000 NITS...the prototype does.
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I want to throw this out there regarding HDR and nits.

The 75x940c with brightness all the way up is in the neighborhood of 350-450 watts. If the measurements posted elsewhere are correct, that's about 1000 nits.

With the brightness all the way down, which is where I keep it, and even then in some scenes, it's a hair too bright, it's around 90 watts.

That means just the additional brightness to go from low brightness to 1000 nits is 250-350 watts.

If the new 940D does 4000 nits as claimed, that's a lot of extra watts...
So watts that mean? Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Does anyone know how to get rid of the 'Bonus Offer' app on the Hone screen? Once you've used it, there's no point in having it there.
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Gentlemen -

I finally pulled the trigger on the 65x930c after hemming and hawing over it for a solid month. Delivery won't be for another week, so I have some time to put everything into place.

Quick question for the 930/940c aficionados - should I be looking into purchasing a specific HDMI cable and possibly even surge protectors for this particular unit?

I already purchased the Sanus VLF525-B1 full-motion mount, but was also recommended the following by a BB employee:

Audioquest HDMIFOR03 ($89.98 ea)
Panamax MD2-C (Surge protector for the 930c, $49.99)
Panamax M4LT-EX (Surge protector for the components, $89.99)

Obviously, I want to do this right, but also wanted to reach out to you fellas to get some outside opinions.

Thanks in advance!
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Is it safe to say with 100% certainty that the 930C will NEVER be able to read the Dolby Vision metadata. I know it will just read the HDR10 version which is great. But is there a chance with a future update it can read Dolby vision HDR?

per dolby website sony tvs can play dolby vision ?You can benefit from Dolby technologies by purchasing a TV from one our partners.? and sony is listed

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/categories/tv.html
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Does anyone know what sony tv exactly can play Dolby Vision

or am i reading it wrong?
From what I understand, no current Sony display will be able to because it requires specific hardware (not just software).
I remember that's what people said on this tread originally when the tv came out. Then Sony surprised us with the majority of 2015 line up getting HDR. So I feel am back to that, but with Dolby Vision.

Why would Dolby website have Sony listed and have direct link to Sony.com tv section??? I don't think its a mistake on Dolby part but it might that's why I ask does anyone know 100%.

Sony website even shows the 930C having the new HDR logo (the way I understand this is Sony is using their logo versus using the new alliance premium logo). What's also weird, is the HDR tv section at Sony website, not all HDR tv's get this new HDR logo, even though ALL the tv's in that section technically play HDR but not all the tv's get the new HDR stamp???? I'm hoping it means the tv's with new "4K HDR" logo Sony is saying it can play Dolby. I know it's a long shot but is it possible.
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I recently bought a X930C from Crutchfield, and unfortunately I'm seeing some vertical banding and edge flashlighting.

I took a picture of the vertical banding (attached). Unfortunately I do notice it on occasion... usually when the camera pans quickly on a light background color. It's infuriating because the picture is otherwise awesome. :-/

The edge flashlighting is a bluish strip about 3-4 inches wide on both sides of the screen. Interestingly it's only noticeable on brownish backgrounds.

Am I nitpicking? I've got 60 days to return/exchange it, so I'm looking for opinions from my fellow X930C owners to get their thoughts. I'd hate to go through the hassle of exchanging it if the replacement won't be any better - or potentially worse.

Thanks!
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X930C Vertical Banding/Flashlighting

I recently bought a X930C from Crutchfield, and unfortunately I'm seeing some vertical banding and edge flashlighting.

I took a picture of the vertical banding (attached). Unfortunately I do notice it on occasion... usually when the camera pans quickly on a light background color. It's infuriating because the picture is otherwise awesome. :-/

The edge flashlighting is a bluish strip about 3-4 inches wide on both sides of the screen. Interestingly it's only noticeable on brownish backgrounds.

Am I nitpicking? I've got 60 days to return/exchange it, so I'm looking for opinions from my fellow X930C owners to get their thoughts. I'd hate to go through the hassle of exchanging it if the replacement won't be any better - or potentially worse.

Thanks!
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Gentlemen -

I finally pulled the trigger on the 65x930c after hemming and hawing over it for a solid month. Delivery won't be for another week, so I have some time to put everything into place.

Quick question for the 930/940c aficionados - should I be looking into purchasing a specific HDMI cable and possibly even surge protectors for this particular unit?

I already purchased the Sanus VLF525-B1 full-motion mount, but was also recommended the following by a BB employee:

Audioquest HDMIFOR03 ($89.98 ea)
Panamax MD2-C (Surge protector for the 930c, $49.99)
Panamax M4LT-EX (Surge protector for the components, $89.99)

Obviously, I want to do this right, but also wanted to reach out to you fellas to get some outside opinions.

Thanks in advance!
If those are reasonable prices for you then by all means, go for it. They're nice products. That said, we're trained at Best Buy to sell you that. There's something to be said for quality power products, but the Audioquest cables are just snake oil. You're not going to notice any difference. The $6 AmazonBasics HDMI cable will work just as well as that Forest cable over a short length. I have Cinnamon cables and they're of very nice construction and I expect them to last me a very long time, but I can't notice any difference in picture or sound quality.
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Gentlemen -

I finally pulled the trigger on the 65x930c after hemming and hawing over it for a solid month. Delivery won't be for another week, so I have some time to put everything into place.

Quick question for the 930/940c aficionados - should I be looking into purchasing a specific HDMI cable and possibly even surge protectors for this particular unit?

I already purchased the Sanus VLF525-B1 full-motion mount, but was also recommended the following by a BB employee:

Audioquest HDMIFOR03 ($89.98 ea)
Panamax MD2-C (Surge protector for the 930c, $49.99)
Panamax M4LT-EX (Surge protector for the components, $89.99)

Obviously, I want to do this right, but also wanted to reach out to you fellas to get some outside opinions.

Thanks in advance!
Congratulations on your new purchase, your going to love your new set. In my opinion the $80 hdmi cable is a complete waste of money. You will have the same great picture and bandwidth using a far less expensive $5-10 monoprice hdmi cable.

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With such an expensive piece of equipment its worth the $89 for the 4 year warranty.
Can you tell me where on earth you found a 4 year warranty for a 6K TV for only $89?? Between Best Buy, Magnolia and Crutchfield I think the cheapest I could find was like 5x that cost! lol
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Can you tell me where on earth you found a 4 year warranty for a 6K TV for only $89?? Between Best Buy, Magnolia and Crutchfield I think the cheapest I could find was like 5x that cost! lol
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That means just the additional brightness to go from low brightness to 1000 nits is 250-350 watts.
That's a lot of juice being used.


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Why would Dolby website have Sony listed and have direct link to Sony.com tv section??? I don't think its a mistake on Dolby part but it might that's why I ask does anyone know 100%.
I don't have a clue (although I wish I did).

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Sony website even shows the 930C having the new HDR logo (the way I understand this is Sony is using their logo versus using the new alliance premium logo). What's also weird, is the HDR tv section at Sony website, not all HDR tv's get this new HDR logo, even though ALL the tv's in that section technically play HDR but not all the tv's get the new HDR stamp???? I'm hoping it means the tv's with new "4K HDR" logo Sony is saying it can play Dolby. I know it's a long shot but is it possible.
IIRC, the new HDR logo is applied only to FALD units.



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I remember that's what people said on this tread originally when the tv came out. Then Sony surprised us with the majority of 2015 line up getting HDR. So I feel am back to that, but with Dolby Vision.

Why would Dolby website have Sony listed and have direct link to Sony.com tv section??? I don't think its a mistake on Dolby part but it might that's why I ask does anyone know 100%.

Sony website even shows the 930C having the new HDR logo (the way I understand this is Sony is using their logo versus using the new alliance premium logo). What's also weird, is the HDR tv section at Sony website, not all HDR tv's get this new HDR logo, even though ALL the tv's in that section technically play HDR but not all the tv's get the new HDR stamp???? I'm hoping it means the tv's with new "4K HDR" logo Sony is saying it can play Dolby. I know it's a long shot but is it possible.

Of all the 2015 Sony models, only the 940c qualifies to (retroactively) receive the "Ultra HD Premium" certification and logo.

All of the other 2015 models do not meet all the min specs to qualify.

Sony's "4K HDR" logo is totally separate and not the same thing.

Don't worry about whether or not the TV can decode Dolby Vision metadata or only HDR10 metadata. The important thing is that your TV can display HDR content. Since the TV cannot reach 1000+ nits brightness anyways, you would probably not be able to see a difference between Dolby Vision and plain vanilla HDR10 anyways.

Just enjoy your excellent TV and be glad that it does display HDR at all.

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So my hissy/popping speakers when the TV is off, combined with the 1/4" row of white pixels when the volume bar is on the screen has warranted a service visit. Any advice? Safe to assume it will be a third party correct?
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With such an expensive piece of equipment its worth the $89 for the 4 year warranty.
I normally don't mess with the extended warranties, but the 940C is a large purchase for me. I've had many Sony TV's, and aside from the 60" SXRD, I havn't had any issues. Sony finally after a lawsuit fixed that TV with it being out of warranty. I ended up buying the 5 year geek squad warranty... I think they quoted me like $1100 or $1200 at the time, but got them down to $767 for it... I like the less hassle and almost no questions asked policy dealing with BB myself...granted its much more than the $89 from the exented warranties others have mentioned here.

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It's now just an empty app that stare me in the face each time I'm at the home screen. Not a biggie, but if I can get rid of it....
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I recently bought a X930C from Crutchfield, and unfortunately I'm seeing some vertical banding and edge flashlighting.

I took a picture of the vertical banding (attached). Unfortunately I do notice it on occasion... usually when the camera pans quickly on a light background color. It's infuriating because the picture is otherwise awesome. :-/

The edge flashlighting is a bluish strip about 3-4 inches wide on both sides of the screen. Interestingly it's only noticeable on brownish backgrounds.

Am I nitpicking? I've got 60 days to return/exchange it, so I'm looking for opinions from my fellow X930C owners to get their thoughts. I'd hate to go through the hassle of exchanging it if the replacement won't be any better - or potentially worse.

Thanks!
I actually had the same issue, but with my 900B. I had to get 2 units before I got a replacement which was streak free. If it bothers you constantly, I would probably get it exchanged.
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In the current issue of Sound & Vision, Tom Norton tested the Vizio R series. It wasn't his test of the R series that interested me, but rather his comments on DV which is the only form of HDR that the Vizio currently can do. Tom drives home a point that I've often brought up in terms of the overall impact & value of HDR. After adjusting an Oppo BD player, playing the same movie (after carefully adjusting for the same brightness levels) as the UHD DV version, here's what Tom said:

"So far most public demonstrations of HDR have not shown it on two side-by-side sets, one with HDR and the other non-HDR, or it they have, there was no obvious way to confirm that the HDR demo was set to the same average brightness level-differing only on bright highlights. My result here (while in no way as definitive as a lab test including two sets) was much, much closer than I expected. It was impressive and marginally (my emphasis) in favor of the HDR content on the brightest highlights when viewed on the same UHDTV."

So it appears that he was no bowled over by DV HDR to begin with and the primary difference between the HDR version and the non-HDR, BD version (aside from obvious resolution differences) were the brightest of highlights as opposed to anything else. I know many have looked to other aspects of HDR as key parameters in making HDR a 'must have', but in the end, it's still the brightness that counts and even there Tom was not awe-struck by the difference.
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I recently bought a X930C from Crutchfield, and unfortunately I'm seeing some vertical banding and edge flashlighting.

I took a picture of the vertical banding (attached). Unfortunately I do notice it on occasion... usually when the camera pans quickly on a light background color. It's infuriating because the picture is otherwise awesome. :-/

The edge flashlighting is a bluish strip about 3-4 inches wide on both sides of the screen. Interestingly it's only noticeable on brownish backgrounds.

Am I nitpicking? I've got 60 days to return/exchange it, so I'm looking for opinions from my fellow X930C owners to get their thoughts. I'd hate to go through the hassle of exchanging it if the replacement won't be any better - or potentially worse.

Thanks!
The vertical banding in your photo is pretty normal for this model. I have had 2 units and that were about the same. So, like the poster above mentioned, if you notice it while not trying to look for it, then I would exchange it.

The menu turns off the local dimming....I noticed local dimming reduces the banding when viewing test screens. Dont get obsessed with the menu screen or your goin hate the tv.

The tinting on the sides, once again. Don't judge the issue with the menu. This tv in my opinion needs extra care in setting up. Otherwise side brightness will show itself.

My current setting for Blu Ray
It gets rid of most of the side lighting issue...try these settings and let me know.

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Is this something more recent than his 12/23 review of it, because it wasnt calibrated and they couldnt even test HDR. He stated he was waiting on UHD players.

So how did they test DV (source)?
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I just received my Sony x940c. I just wanted to chime in that this is by far the best tv I have seen. i don't watch much 4K outside of demos, so the majority of my use is with Hulu and Netflix as well as discs and downloads. The picture quality on these run of the mill sources is amazing. For someone like me - this tv looks like magic.
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I contemplated canceling my purchase to wait for next years sets , but I'm glad I didn't. This looks incredible.
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I recently bought a X930C from Crutchfield, and unfortunately I'm seeing some vertical banding and edge flashlighting.

I took a picture of the vertical banding (attached). Unfortunately I do notice it on occasion... usually when the camera pans quickly on a light background color. It's infuriating because the picture is otherwise awesome. :-/

The edge flashlighting is a bluish strip about 3-4 inches wide on both sides of the screen. Interestingly it's only noticeable on brownish backgrounds.

Am I nitpicking? I've got 60 days to return/exchange it, so I'm looking for opinions from my fellow X930C owners to get their thoughts. I'd hate to go through the hassle of exchanging it if the replacement won't be any better - or potentially worse.

Thanks!
I'd suggest adjusting the settings to your viewing and use the TV for a bit (let it burn in). If issue continues to exist after several days, exchange it. I remember experiencing the same issue when I first got mine, but I don't see the banding/clouding issue anymore. Good luck.
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Is this something more recent than his 12/23 review of it, because it wasnt calibrated and they couldnt even test HDR. He stated he was waiting on UHD players.

So how did they test DV (source)?
Not sure if this was directed at me, but he stated he used a thumb drive for the DV content and the Vizio was indeed calibrated. As he always does, he's got the calibration info in his review. Tom Norton is one of the best reviewers I've ever come across. He is a consistent straight shooter who knows his stuff.

BTW, this was the new Feb/March issue that just came today. So whatever review you saw, it wasn't this one.
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Hi guys,

I have finally found a calibrator in my area (in Australia) and was wondering whether those with a 930C think that paying $395 for a 2D calibration is worth it? Is it really going to improve my picture a decent amount? I have used various settings off here and am impressed with the picture atm, but as all of us on here I want the best the tv can do. He has offered to calibrate my Panasonic 50 inch ST60 plasma for $295 as well if I get them both done.

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Hi guys,

I have finally found a calibrator in my area (in Australia) and was wondering whether those with a 930C think that paying $395 for a 2D calibration is worth it? Is it really going to improve my picture a decent amount? I have used various settings off here and am impressed with the picture atm, but as all of us on here I want the best the tv can do. He has offered to calibrate my Panasonic 50 inch ST60 plasma for $295 as well if I get them both done.

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I never had a television calibrated until my 55" HX929. Chad B did this for me, and to me, it's well worth the money. When my 940D gets here, I will have him back to calibrate this also.
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Ok cool thanks brickyardz, the guy going to do mine says it will take 3-4 hours to do 2 displays, does this sound about right? Is there any questions I should be asking of him before he comes?
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Not sure if this was directed at me, but he stated he used a thumb drive for the DV content and the Vizio was indeed calibrated. As he always does, he's got the calibration info in his review. Tom Norton is one of the best reviewers I've ever come across. He is a consistent straight shooter who knows his stuff.

I'm wondering if the DV HDR in the movie he used could have been an "earlier" attempt at HDR grading or if the DV HDR on that particular movie simply wasn't very well done. Maybe they put to much emphasis on the peak brightness of "specular highlights"? Just a thought.

We do know that HDR involves a lot more than a simple increase in peak brightness or the brightness of specular highlights (such as increased details in both bright and dark areas of the picture, brighter, more saturated colors, and so on). Maybe Tom wasn't really looking for those types of improvements?

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