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The X930d is newer tech and has not yet been reviewed enough but if time is ticking away and same pricing then yes I would - just to have an HDR Mode Setting. If you are OCD about light bleed, then only a 940c/d FALD can help.
I thought the 930c already has an HDR mode?
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Regarding HDR, how does the 930c compare with other models and the 940c? Is there big difference between the 930c and 940c? Is the HDR on the 930c similar in quality to that of the higher end Samsung models (8500/9500)?
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I thought the 930c already has an HDR mode?
It is a new Picture Mode for the X930/940D vs - not there for the X930/940C.

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Samsung could best Sony in the high end this year but I have only owned Sony's since 1976. Still don't want the Samsung curved Tv's. I need a TV now. If I could wait, then I would like to know if the X930/940D can do 10-bit 1024 steps per sub-pixel. In my search and before I buy a $6000 TV I would want to know this.

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I see a HDR mode in the color settings not sure if that is what you are talking about
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I see a HDR mode in the color settings not sure if that is what you are talking about
I have not looked today but I was quite sure that the 930c has 12 Picture Modes and the 930D has 13 Picture Modes.

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The 2015 810, 840, 850, 900,910, 930, and 940 C series all have HDR picture mode. The 810 and 840 lack HDR enabled HDMI ports so they can only stream HDR, the others all have HDR-enabled (HDMI 2.0a/HDCP2.2) HDMI ports.
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The 2015 810, 840, 850, 900,910, 930, and 940 C series all have HDR picture mode. The 810 and 840 lack HDR enabled HDMI ports so they can only stream HDR, the others all have HDR-enabled (HDMI 2.0a/HDCP2.2) HDMI ports.
You dear sir do excellent research and commend you for that. I was and am still in a panic buy mode. When I needed quick info for my pre order purchase awhile back for the Amazon preorder for 930D, I noticed that a possible key difference on the Sony site: 930c vs 930d, the 930d has an additional Picture Mode and that is "HDR Video". If this does not mean anything then that would further demonstrate a useless setting. But I don't know and can change my mind at any time.

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You dear sir do excellent research and commend you for that. I was and am still in a panic buy mode. When I needed quick info for my pre order purchase awhile back for the Amazon preorder for 930D, I noticed that a possible key difference on the Sony site: 930c vs 930d, the 930d has an additional Picture Mode and that is "HDR Video". If this does not mean anything then that would further demonstrate a useless setting. But I don't know and can change my mind at any time.
The D is a much better picture than the C due to the FALD. If you can swing it, get the 75.

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The D is a much better picture than the C due to the FALD. If you can swing it, get the 75.
Isn't the 930D edge lit like the 930C?
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You dear sir do excellent research and commend you for that. I was and am still in a panic buy mode. When I needed quick info for my pre order purchase awhile back for the Amazon preorder for 930D, I noticed that a possible key difference on the Sony site: 930c vs 930d, the 930d has an additional Picture Mode and that is "HDR Video". If this does not mean anything then that would further demonstrate a useless setting. But I don't know and can change my mind at any time.
Not sure what that might mean. They may now have separate HDR Photo and HDR Video modes on the D series. <shrug> I'm not considering a new TV right now, so I haven't looked that closely at the D series detailed settings yet. The existence of the HDR picture mode on the C-Series is well documented and not an issue, of course.

It is clear that both the C-Series and the D series support HDR, though in different ways of course due to their differing display technologies. Other than that I can't help any further.

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The D is a much better picture than the C due to the FALD. If you can swing it, get the 75.
And I absolutely agree and if Amazon does not honor their $3303.30 that I pre paid for it, then no deal and I will wait for the wifs pre-approved anything under $6000 hehe (X940D) - just after 2 initial price drops of course. Not stupid you know! But that Panasonic DX900 is looking real good and may be... a contender. Never know.

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Isn't the 930D edge lit like the 930C?
Lol, I was thinking 940 vs 930. Duh.
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Alright so my 930c is set to arrive Friday morning! To those using the Samsung UHD player, I'm curious to how you all are running your motion settings while watching a HDR 4K disc?

Motionflow: True Cinema
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I know these are the settings that are already set once the TV goes into HDR Video mode so I'm just curious to what all you owners set it at?

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Alright so my 930c is set to arrive Friday morning! To those using the Samsung UHD player, I'm curious to how you all are running your motion settings while watching a HDR 4K disc?

Motionflow: True Cinema
CineMotion: High

I know these are the settings that are already set once the TV goes into HDR Video mode so I'm just curious to what all you owners set it at?

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Congrats. I just got my 930c last week. I used CCSoftball7's daytime settings and a few others (one for HDR and the other for night settings) and I believe they have all motion processing turned off.
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Congrats. I just got my 930c last week. I used CCSoftball7's daytime settings and a few others (one for HDR and the other for night settings) and I believe they have all motion processing turned off.
Thanks on the quick reply and yes I have heard so many good things on CCs settings which I plan on checking out first thing! But from my understanding HDR mode completely throws all calibration settings out the window!

I know sometimes people enjoy the motion enhancements because it adds a dimension to the film. But me personally I've owned nothing but Panasonic Plasmas the last several years and any type of motion enhancement was always a plasma NO NO, going back to Sony now I'm a little behind!

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Foxtel (Our Pay TV here in Australia) HDMI 1 - Custom
X-Box HDMI 2 - Game/Custom for video
Wii U HDMI 3 - Game/Custom for video
PS4 HDMI 4 - Game/Custom for video

Auto Picture Mode Off
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Advanced Settings

Brightness
Brightness 15 (I have it on Min or 5, adjust to your liking)
Contrast Max
Gamma 1
Black Level 48
Black Adjust Low
Advanced Contrast Enhancer Medium
Auto local dimming Off (I have it on medium, adjust to your liking)
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Colour 55
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Adv. Colour Temperature
Basic
R-Gain Max
G-Gain -1
B-Gain Max
R-Bias -1
G-Bias 0
B-Bias 1

Colour Space sRGB/BT.709
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Reality Creation Off (Can adjust to Manual if watching SD material)
Resolution Min (Can adjust to about 20-30 if watching SD material)
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Random Noise Reduction Low (I have this off)
Digital Noise reduction Low

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3D Signal Notification On

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Wide Mode Full
Auto Wide Off
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HDMI 2 Limited
HDMI 3 Limited
HDMI 4 Limited

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Sound and Screen
Video Output Settings
Resolution 1080p
TV Size 65 inches
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Video Playback Settings
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Display
TV Resolution 1080p
TV Connection HDMI
Video Fidelity 24 Bits per pixel
Colour Space Standard
Allow 50Hz refresh rate [select]
Allow 24Hz [select]
Allow 3D [select]

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Motionflow / Mastered in 4k

What exactly is the mastered in 4K setting and why can it only be turned on while motionflow is turned off?
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Update on my dead pixel saga for my 940C. A gentleman from Sony Customer Relations contacted me today and asked me to take some pictures of the issue. One close up and another far enough away to take in the whole screen. Now I have no idea what they expect to accomplish with this method. The close-up shot I get, but the further shot is near impossible to capture the pixel in. The TV has so much brightness that it overwhelms the camera and blows everything out. Makes spotting a single pixel from 5 feet away a tad difficult in a picture, but I can see it plain as day with the naked eye. I am supposed to hear back from them tomorrow so I am eagerly awaiting their brush off...

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I got the k8500 for my 940c and watch the Martian. The 4K blu Ray did look great and I'm sure they will only look better in the future. It's crazy though how good the regular 1080p blu Ray looks with fake HDR on low in cinama mode they look very similar. Don't get me wrong the real 4K HDR does look better. You can see colors look richer. I'm still going to keep the player but the Sony does such a good job upscaling and fake HDR that it's almost not worth it. The only down side to HDR is that it makes the tv show more blooming. I may add some lighting to the rear of my tv to help with it.
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X930c HDR compatibility

So, is the X930c HDR compatible? I read that it is but when I put the 4k ultra HD disc in my samsung k8500 it gives me this mesage

this player is not connected to a high dynamic rage (hdr) compatipible tv


this ultra HD blu ray disc was masted for optimal viewing on a 4k ultra HD tv that supports high dynamic range (hdr)
video playback may vary based o your player and tv compatibility

Is my TV not HDR or is it my settings>
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So, is the X930c HDR compatible? I read that it is but when I put the 4k ultra HD disc in my samsung k8500 it gives me this mesage

this player is not connected to a high dynamic rage (hdr) compatipible tv


this ultra HD blu ray disc was masted for optimal viewing on a 4k ultra HD tv that supports high dynamic range (hdr)
video playback may vary based o your player and tv compatibility

Is my TV not HDR or is it my settings>
Set the HDMI port on your TV that you have the K8500 connected to to Enhanced mode.

Home>Settings>External Inputs>HDMI Signal Format.
Choices: Standard format, Enhanced format.
Set to Enhanced.

Your TV is HDR compatible - recognizes HDR content, will switch to HDR mode automatically (or should, unless there is a glitch in handshake between the K8500 and the TV) when you play an HDR disc.

Would be a good idea to turn off the K8500, change the HDMI port on the TV to Enhanced, and then turn the K8500 on again.

If you want to learn more about HDR on your TV, and HDMI/audio settings, 3D, etc., download the X850C FAQ in my sig and look at the Read this First tab, the HDR tab, and the 3D and DirecTV tabs apply as well. Obviously the Picture Settings tab info is based on the X850C and while it might be reasonable approximation, better to stick w/picture settings that other 930C owners are posting here.

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when you say that your blu ray movies look as 4K, do you have a special setting.
On my X930C I think the picture is normal. Certainly not better than my old TV.
I have had my TV for over 3 weeks and in the beginning I was satisfied, but I think that it loses more in image quality, the more time passes.
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when you say that your blu ray movies look as 4K, do you have a special setting.
On my X930C I think the picture is normal. Certainly not better than my old TV.
I have had my TV for over 3 weeks and in the beginning I was satisfied, but I think that it loses more in image quality, the more time passes.
Interesting...I have heard that opposite! Mostly everyone says with time and use the pq actually gets better on the 930s
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Interesting...I have heard that opposite! Mostly everyone says with time and use the pq actually gets better on the 930s
I get worried and think maybe there is something wrong with the TV. want to check with you guys if you have any tips or i should return it ?
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when you say that your blu ray movies look as 4K, do you have a special setting.
On my X930C I think the picture is normal. Certainly not better than my old TV.
I have had my TV for over 3 weeks and in the beginning I was satisfied, but I think that it loses more in image quality, the more time passes.
Have you put the old TV and new TV side by side to compare? You have a much higher native resolution (assuming this is your first 4k set) and the tends to show flaws in the picture. What type of sources are you feeding it? Amazon and Netflix both look amazing on these TVs. There is something wrong, either an input source or something else.
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So I'm curious about something. Are all these people screwed who have 4K TV's, but have sets that lack HDR? When they try and play a UHD movie will it not look right or will it simply not be able to squeeze out as much color as an HDR set, but still look great?

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I'm almost contemplating getting a calibration done by Best Buy. Wait before you throw stones! I've used them before on my old LG Plasma and they actually did a pretty good job. Better than I could do anyways. I know it's nowhere near a calibration from the likes of Chad B, but it's also not that expensive. Trying all these picture settings is driving me a little crazy. What do you guys think?
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Have you put the old TV and new TV side by side to compare? You have a much higher native resolution (assuming this is your first 4k set) and the tends to show flaws in the picture. What type of sources are you feeding it? Amazon and Netflix both look amazing on these TVs. There is something wrong, either an input source or something else.

I play blu ray discs, and have also linked a dune Zappiti player outputs 1080p movie
Think that the image does not quite feel right. I have tested all the settings that are recommended here.
To get rid of the edge light, I pulled down the black level to 45. Now it is visible only during certain scenes.
This I know that i have to live with, given that its a edge lit TV.
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You may need to adjust with the cable source as the box probably has a slightly different look to it. If they look washed out, I would recommend lowering gamma (first), if that doesn't help, try lowering the black level. Another option, raise the gamma, raise the contrast and lower the brightness. Also, double check the "external input" to be sure it is set to auto as any other setting can cause it to look washed out.

Believe me, it took a LOT of tweaking on my set to get it like I wanted. The DirecTV RVU app looks better than the DirecTV box with the exact same settings. I'm not sure why.
I lowered the gamma a couple of notches and that seemed to have done the trick for cable. The haze is no longer there.

I keep meaning to ask you is your room pretty dark, dim, well lit?

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