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New 940C Owner

Just ordered the 940C from ABT. They knocked off some more of the price and that was good as the darn taxes in Illinois added it right back (I hate the taxes here with all my might). I still have my 65JS9500 but it's listed for sale on AVS. Finally got a larger screen and can't wait to see it in action. The JS9500 is a great set and blooming when changing channels (OTA) and credit scrolls was the only negative (besides me wanting a bigger screen). Took the wife to BB to show her the 940C and first thing she said is "that's a big screen." I said the same thing in the BB close to work.

Can someone that uses OTA TV tell me if the 940C is user friendly. Like, does it have a nice looking ahead TV schedule. I had a previous Sony UHD that was pretty thin in that area. Also if you like 3D, how is it on the Sony (brightness, ghosting etc.).
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I was afraid of that. I've exchanged several televisions over the past few years because of dark scene uniformity issues, but the 930c is the most money I've ever put into a TV, about $2500. Every other thing about it is amazing, I just wish the x930c didn't have the weird edge light bleed during certain dark scenes. Funny thing though, The Martian looked fantastic and I didn't really notice it a whole lot. I'm still torn between exchanging it for a different set that has full-array backlight or just keeping it and learning to ignore it. Decisions, decisions.
If you are like most of us it will be too hard to ignore. Get the FALD and don't look back Jack.
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I wish Sony would unlock all of the picture settings in HDR mode. I would like to experiment with disabling Xtended Dynamic Range and moving Local Dimming to High to see if it helps the X930 to have a more stable image during darker scenes.


Mad Dogs in HDR on the Amazon Video app looks really impressive during daytime scenes, but unfortunately during night scenes the backlight ****s itself. It has actually put me off getting an Ultra HD Bluray player for the time being, as it seems that standard Blurays will provide a far more stable image and they look brilliant on the 930.
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Can someone that uses OTA TV tell me if the 940C is user friendly.
IMO, not really.
The main problem is there is no printed manual.
There is information online about the operation of the unit, but it is riddled with marketing-speak and is damn near useless.
Also there is some built-in information accessible thru the GUI, yet there isn't a lot of depth to it either.

This is an Android-powered display and it can be twitchy from time to time.
However, Sony has promised an upgrade to Android 6.0 Marshmallow at some point.

Fortunately, the good thing is there are a lot of experienced owners on this thread you can quiz and are willing to help.

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The 3D on the 940c is the best in the business bar none.



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I wish Sony would unlock all of the picture settings in HDR mode. I would like to experiment with disabling Xtended Dynamic Range and moving Local Dimming to High to see if it helps the X930 to have a more stable image during darker scenes.


Mad Dogs in HDR on the Amazon Video app looks really impressive during daytime scenes, but unfortunately during night scenes the backlight ****s itself. It has actually put me off getting an Ultra HD Bluray player for the time being, as it seems that standard Blurays will provide a far more stable image and they look brilliant on the 930.
I know exactly what you mean. HDR needs work as-is but dealing with edge-lit issues, HDR makes it much more obvious.

I really wish they would have made the x930c full-array, because they nailed everything else. I am likely going to exchange my x930c for a Vizio m65-c1, since the local dimming seems to work really well. No HDR (which I won't miss), 120hz via PC HDMI, keyboard on the remote, and motion blur reduction settings similar to Sony. Sucks that I have to downgrade in the color department in order to have a more uniform dark scene experience.
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I know exactly what you mean. HDR needs work as-is but dealing with edge-lit issues, HDR makes it much more obvious.

I really wish they would have made the x930c full-array, because they nailed everything else. I am likely going to exchange my x930c for a Vizio m65-c1, since the local dimming seems to work really well. No HDR (which I won't miss), 120hz via PC HDMI, keyboard on the remote, and motion blur reduction settings similar to Sony. Sucks that I have to downgrade in the color department in order to have a more uniform dark scene experience.
Motion blur reduction isnt that similar.

I returned the 65-c1 and got the 930c and with Fios the judder/interpolation is slightly better with the 930c but with blurays it blows it out of the water. The upscale is incredibly better on the 930C.

With the C1 I tried watching avatar and Troy and the judder ruined the movie for me. The remote on the back is pretty legit, the brightness/contrast/colors were somewhat similar but Sony was slightly better. If I had to do it again I wouldnt say the Sony is worth the extra $1250...Still got about 35 days left to return it to BB, might end up just keeping the UN55H7150 and waiting for the 940C to drop under $3k.
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Exclamation Sony 930c + Native Netflix Android TV app: No 5.1 Audio?

I dont get the 5.1 tag for any tv/movies when using the native netflix android tv app from my new Sony xbr65x930c. All apps + tv are up to date.

Arent the built in speakers suppose to be 5.1?

When i use my ps3 netflix app, I can see movies with the 5.1 audio tag.

I dont have any surround sound system hooked up to the tv.

Is this known issue? limitation? setting change needed?

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I dont get the 5.1 tag for any tv/movies when using the native netflix android tv app from my new Sony xbr65x930c. All apps + tv are up to date.

Arent the built in speakers suppose to be 5.1?

When i use my ps3 netflix app, I can see movies with the 5.1 audio tag.

I dont have any surround sound system hooked up to the tv.

Is this known issue? limitation? setting change needed?
Pretty sure that means it's going to provide compressed 5.1 audio for your audio output, like optical or HDMI, for your receiver to send to your surround sound speakers. Built in speakers are technically just stereo, but there's pseudo subwoofers built into the TV to help deliver more bass to the stereo sound.
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Pretty sure that means it's going to provide compressed 5.1 audio for your audio output, like optical or HDMI, for your receiver to send to your surround sound speakers. Built in speakers are technically just stereo, but there's pseudo subwoofers built into the TV to help deliver more bass to the stereo sound.
Vudu app for the android tv recognizes dolby digital plus.
Netflix app is not.

So to me thats odd
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Vudu app for the android tv recognizes dolby digital plus.
Netflix app is not.

So to me thats odd
The Netflix app is not 5.1. On the UHD player, it shows as 5.1.

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The Netflix app is not 5.1. On the UHD player, it shows as 5.1.
Is there plans for Netflix to update their android tv app to support 5.1 audio?
Seems ridiculous i can stream 4k ultra hd content from their app, but cant get 5.1 audio as well.
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Is there plans for Netflix to update their android tv app to support 5.1 audio?
Seems ridiculous i can stream 4k ultra hd content from their app, but cant get 5.1 audio as well.
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x940C Setup Recommendations?

Hey everyone, happy Friday! So I am about a month into my new x940C and absolutely in love. I've been an A/V aficionado for 20 years now and this is hands down the best television I have every laid hands or eyes on. With that said, I am seeking a little input from others on the best way to cable up my system. I am using AudioQuest Pearl HDMI cables for all components, and I have the TV connected with an Oppo BDP-103, Xbox One and Marantz SR7009 in 7.2 mode. Traditionally, I have always run my components through the receiver with a single cable out from the ARC port on receiver to the TV. With this new unit, I set it up reverse, with components plugged into TV and ARC connection out to the Marantz. I just wanted to start with a baseline of straight Blu-Ray to TV without anything in between so I could properly gauge the quality of my picture (also wanted to make sure sound worked properly on the TV's built-in apps). So far, I am all peaches. With that said, there is one irritating thing about the setup: I can no longer display the Marantz configuration menu on screen unless I switch the input to TV, make my changes, then switch it back. I don't fuss with my settings all the time, but I do frequently adjust things like dynamic volume, reference offset, surround settings and the like depending on the situation.

So, does anyone feel I will degrade the quality of my picture by letting the Marantz pass the picture through to the TV? Is there any benefit to using the receiver's upscaler, or will that just muddy what is already awesome upscaling done by the Sony's X1 chip? And lastly, is running my components through the TV and out to the receiver possibly degrading my sound quality or not handshaking the right surround setting between the Blu-ray player / Xbox and the Marantz?

Hope this all makes sense. I have invested heavily in this stuff and really want it to be at optimum performance, but I've never had so many choices before!
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i thought neflix already had 5.1 on the 940C (my yamaha AVR 779 shows dolby digital audio when streaming netflix 5.1 labeled shows)- Thought it was amazon prime that didn't yet have 5.1 on 940c & other sony- (my yamaha 779 shows PLxII- can't get it to show dolby digital)-


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The Netflix app definitely supports 5.1 audio, the Amazon app does not (even though content has the 5.1 logo next to it).
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i thought neflix already had 5.1 on the 940C (my yamaha AVR 779 shows dolby digital audio when streaming netflix 5.1 labeled shows)- Thought it was amazon prime that didn't yet have 5.1 on 940c & other sony- (my yamaha 779 shows PLxII- can't get it to show dolby digital)-


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I dont have a receiver hooked up.
I expect to have the Netflix 5.1 audio option, just like I do now from my ps3, by playing sounds through the attached tv speakers.
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The Netflix app definitely supports 5.1 audio, the Amazon app does not (even though content has the 5.1 logo next to it).
native Netflix app for android tv + Sony xbr930c tv, stock tv speakers = no 5.1 audio option for movies.

I do have that 5.1 audio option when navigating movies using the ps3 netflix app.

Notice I didnt mention any receiver being hooked up to the tv.

To me its odd that the ps3 netflix app gives me a choice for 5.1 audio with the xbr930c speakers, but the netflix app for android tv thats part of the tv does NOT give me that 5.1 audio option.
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I have my oppo 103, Theta Compli Blu, Apple TV etc all going through my McIntosh AVP. I tried all configurations and this seems the best. Also using audioquest HDMI and audioquest power conditioner for all units including the 940c. Had to tweak the tv settings just a tad, but looks good.
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The Netflix app definitely supports 5.1 audio, the Amazon app does not (even though content has the 5.1 logo next to it).
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native Netflix app for android tv + Sony xbr930c tv, stock tv speakers = no 5.1 audio option for movies.

I do have that 5.1 audio option when navigating movies using the ps3 netflix app.

Notice I didnt mention any receiver being hooked up to the tv.

To me its odd that the ps3 netflix app gives me a choice for 5.1 audio with the xbr930c speakers, but the netflix app for android tv thats part of the tv does NOT give me that 5.1 audio option.
If the speakers on your TV are not 5.1, it doesn't matter what the PS3 says it is sending, you are not going to end up w/5.1 output. The fact the PS3 gives you a choice doesn't mean that you are getting 5.1 from your TV speakers. The PS3 is an external device that can connect to all kinds of systems, so it offers multiple audio output options...however, you're only going to get stereo if that's what the TV's built in speakers support. The PS3 can't change the physical and FW limitations of your TV's speakers.

If you look at the Netflix and Amazon apps on the TV you'll find there are no audio options (in fact no settings really of any kind for audio or video) in the apps. In the case of the Netflix app it will automatically output 5.1 from videos that support that when going through optical or HDMI out, and if going through the TV speakers it will provide stereo audio. The Amazon should do the same, but it is currently "broken" and is unable to output 5.1 via optical or HDMI out, so it outputs stereo both externally and via built-in speakers.

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If the speakers on your TV are not 5.1, it doesn't matter what the PS3 says it is sending, you are not going to end up w/5.1 output. The fact the PS3 gives you a choice doesn't mean that you are getting 5.1 from your TV speakers. The PS3 is an external device that can connect to all kinds of systems, so it offers multiple audio output options...however, you're only going to get stereo if that's what the TV's built in speakers support. The PS3 can't change the physical and FW limitations of your TV's speakers.

If you look at the Netflix and Amazon apps on the TV you'll find there are no audio options (in fact no settings really of any kind for audio or video) in the apps. In the case of the Netflix app it will automatically output 5.1 from videos that support that when going through optical or HDMI out, and if going through the TV speakers it will provide stereo audio. The Amazon should do the same, but it is currently "broken" and is unable to output 5.1 via optical or HDMI out, so it outputs stereo both externally and via built-in speakers.
Are you 100 percent the built in speakers are not 5.1?
If so, are you saying the issue is with the Sony PS3 netflix app showing 5.1 audio option for movies, when in fact it isnt playing the audio at 5.1 thru the xbr930c speakers.

This is in contrast to that same Netflix app for ps3, when it was hooked up to my 2011 Panasonic plasma viera (no av surround sound receiver hooked up), that 5.1 audio option was nowhere to be seen.
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The Netflix app definitely supports 5.1 audio, the Amazon app does not (even though content has the 5.1 logo next to it).
native Netflix app for android tv + Sony xbr930c tv, stock tv speakers = no 5.1 audio option for movies.

I do have that 5.1 audio option when navigating movies using the ps3 netflix app.

Notice I didnt mention any receiver being hooked up to the tv.

To me its odd that the ps3 netflix app gives me a choice for 5.1 audio with the xbr930c speakers, but the netflix app for android tv thats part of the tv does NOT give me that 5.1 audio option.
Yeah the android apps don't do 5.1 except Sony's video player it's a huge flaw in my opinion. That and the fact the android apps don't look as good as they should. If the TV (x930c)was 1500 that's one thing but it's much more. Ha I just talked my self it off a x940c.
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Yeah the android apps don't do 5.1 except Sony's video player it's a huge flaw in my opinion. That and the fact the android apps don't look as good as they should. If the TV (x930c)was 1500 that's one thing but it's much more. Ha I just talked my self it off a x940c.
wow. none of the android (google) apps on android tv do 5.1 audio? But that doesnt explain Netflix app issue.
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I think the apps loop great. Some content sucks, but that's with anything. Uhd discs even. I get 5.1 on most apps. Definitely not Amazon.
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wow. none of the android (google) apps on android tv do 5.1 audio? But that doesnt explain Netflix app issue.
FWIW, I stopped using the built-in apps in the 940 and just go with a streaming device now (less headaches).



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Ugh what apps are 5.1 I've ever seen one
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wow. none of the android (google) apps on android tv do 5.1 audio? But that doesnt explain Netflix app issue.
If you're talking about the TVs built-in speakers, it doesn't matter what the apps support, they can send 5.1, 7.1, etc., but the if the TV speakers can only do stereo, that's what you get.

If sending audio out from TV apps via optical out or HDMI/ARC, to a 5.1 or better external audio system, you can get 5.1 from the Netflix app, from the Sony Video app I believe, from Kodi, from Plex, and I believe from the Archos video app as well.

The Amazon app does not currently output 5.1 from the TV via optical out or HDMI/ARC. It's broken and needs to be fixed by Amazon and or Sony.

I'm looking now and find nothing so far in Sony X940C marketing specifications, Amazon page for the TV, or Reference Guide that indicates 5.1 from the built-in TV speakers. Frankly, it's almost like they have intentionally avoided any statements about the speakers in their various documentation...the word "speaker" only appears three times in the reference guide, and only in terms of connecting external speakers. If the built-in speaker system did 5.1, you know they would be talking/bragging about it.

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Yeah the android apps don't do 5.1 except Sony's video player it's a huge flaw in my opinion. That and the fact the android apps don't look as good as they should. If the TV (x930c)was 1500 that's one thing but it's much more. Ha I just talked my self it off a x940c.
wow. none of the android (google) apps on android tv do 5.1 audio? But that doesnt explain Netflix app issue.
Hmm Netflix app is a android app
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wow. none of the android (google) apps on android tv do 5.1 audio? But that doesnt explain Netflix app issue.
If you're talking about the TVs built-in speakers, it doesn't matter what the apps support, they can send 5.1, 7.1, etc., but the if the TV speakers can only do stereo, that's what you get.

If sending audio out from TV apps via optical out or HDMI/ARC, to a 5.1 or better external audio system, you can get 5.1 from the Netflix app, from the Sony Video app I believe, from Kodi, from Plex, and I believe from the Archos video app as well.

The Amazon app does not currently output 5.1 from the TV via optical out or HDMI/ARC. It's broken and needs to be fixed by Amazon and or Sony.

I'm looking now and find nothing so far in Sony X940C marketing specifications, Amazon page for the TV, or Reference Guide that indicates 5.1 from the built-in TV speakers. Frankly, it's almost like they have intentionally avoided any statements about the speakers in their various documentation...the word "speaker" only appears three times in the reference guide, and only in terms of connecting external speakers.
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wow. none of the android (google) apps on android tv do 5.1 audio? But that doesnt explain Netflix app issue.
If you're talking about the TVs built-in speakers, it doesn't matter what the apps support, they can send 5.1, 7.1, etc., but the if the TV speakers can only do stereo, that's what you get.

If sending audio out from TV apps via optical out or HDMI/ARC, to a 5.1 or better external audio system, you can get 5.1 from the Netflix app, from the Sony Video app I believe, from Kodi, from Plex, and I believe from the Archos video app as well.

The Amazon app does not currently output 5.1 from the TV via optical out or HDMI/ARC. It's broken and needs to be fixed by Amazon and or Sony.

I'm looking now and find nothing so far in Sony X940C marketing specifications, Amazon page for the TV, or Reference Guide that indicates 5.1 from the built-in TV speakers. Frankly, it's almost like they have intentionally avoided any statements about the speakers in their various documentation...the word "speaker" only appears three times in the reference guide, and only in terms of connecting external speakers.
I don't get 5.1 from Plex, kodi,net flix,or MX player I have tested
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I just popped in mad max 4K blu Ray on my 940c and its like nothing I have ever seen before. The colors and contrast it's unreal. I watched the Martain and it looked good but I was not completely sold on uhd blu Ray but mad max did it.
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Are you 100 percent the built in speakers are not 5.1?
If so, are you saying the issue is with the Sony PS3 netflix app showing 5.1 audio option for movies, when in fact it isnt playing the audio at 5.1 thru the xbr930c speakers.

This is in contrast to that same Netflix app for ps3, when it was hooked up to my 2011 Panasonic plasma viera (no av surround sound receiver hooked up), that 5.1 audio option was nowhere to be seen.
You wouldn't want 5.1 on the stock speakers, even if it could. You'd be hearing center, left, right, and both rear channels all at once. It wouldn't sound right. 5.1 is meant for surround sound setups. The TV itself isn't going to allow 5.1 output on the built in speakers. My Netflix app shows 5.1 audio on certain shows, but the TV only plays stereo sound out the built in speakers. It does send the 5.1 audio to my receiver, though.
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