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post #11281 of 14301 Old 07-23-2016, 03:40 PM
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I can't deliver the evidence ,but in this clip my suspicion is almost confirmed...
"the zd9 side by side an older model"
there you can see that new zd9 HDR panels are far more brighter than the older models...
But they forget/don't tell us that Sony make the older panels less brighter after the latest firmware update...

http://www.cnet.com/products/sony-xbrz9d-series/
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Try clearing your cache for Netflix App on SETTINGS, APPLICATIONS, SYSTEM APPS. If that doesn't work then try soft resetting tv by holding power button on remote or tv button for 5 seconds. This will not delete anything or lose saved data. It will just reboot your tv.
Thank you! Clearing the cache did the trick.
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I agreed with you 110%!

I was able to get the 940D from Best Buy for $5700, including taxes, delivery and set up (they matched the price of an independent authorized Sony dealer in our area). Coming from a Pioneer KURO Elite (the PRO-151) I am more than satisfied with the awesome contrast (bright, bright WHITES and pitch black BLACKS), amazing colors, a natural-looking picture, and the best off-axis viewing I've ever seen for a LCD/LED. My display was delivered on July 13th so I could, if I wanted to, send the set back and wait for the Z9D. But why should I wait for something that will cost, at the very least, $2300 more than what I paid (plus tax) and then the PQ may not be that much better (at least to justify the price increase and the wait).

I like you had the Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro 151 that I bought close to 9 years ago. The picture was so good on that set that this was the longest I had gone before buying a new TV. Besides some of the minor glitches I have experienced which I believe is mostly OS related I am very happy with the picture on this TV not to mention the 3D and smart capabilities. I am happy to report that after the last firmware update the larger remote has not had any10 second or so pauses before starting to work again. Something a number of people on this forum have reported. Can anyone else who experienced this issue confirm this? I can't imagine that the latest firmware update would decrease the brightness output on this TV, at least I haven't noticed that. I will need to check it more carefully while watching HDR content to see if I notice this.

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I like you had the Pioneer Kuro Elite Pro 151 that I bought close to 9 years ago. The picture was so good on that set that this was the longest I had gone before buying a new TV. Besides some of the minor glitches I have experienced which I believe is mostly OS related I am very happy with the picture on this TV not to mention the 3D and smart capabilities. I am happy to report that after the last firmware update the larger remote has not had any10 second or so pauses before starting to work again. Something a number of people on this forum have reported. Can anyone else who experienced this issue confirm this? I can't imagine that the latest firmware update would decrease the brightness output on this TV, at least I haven't noticed that. I will need to check it more carefully while watching HDR content to see if I notice this.
I see you have the 940C so some of your comments relating to the "last firmware update" doesn't apply to me.

Having said that, in reading this thread and corresponding with others via PMs, our displays (940C and 940D) seem to be nearly identical when it comes to Picture Quality. I NEVER thought an LCD/LED could produce a natural picture like our KUROs did, so this was a welcome and pleasant surprise to me. I'm also elated that the black levels are BETTER than the KURO, the colors are eye-popping, and the clarity is exceptional. And then there is the SIZE upgrade (yes, SIZE does matter!!); I am loving the cinematic experience that I've yearned for (though I can say I wish it was an 85" or larger)!
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Got my x940c reset to factory setting, and it appears to have resolved the HDR brightness-image problem,the image is now brighter and colors are more vivid than before the factory reset. In my view,it seems that this problem is resolved.

Or would I allready have forgotten how the image really was before the update..
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Got my x940c reset to factory setting, and it appears to have resolved the HDR brightness-image problem,the image is now brighter and colors are more vivid than before the factory reset. In my view,it seems that this problem is resolved.

Or would I allready have forgotten how the image really was before the update..
With all the updates we all might be better off doing a full reset. Im assuming all settings are cleared, right?
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With all the updates we all might be better off doing a full reset. Im assuming all settings are cleared, right?

That is a correct assumption all your picture settings and passwords will need to re-entered. However I don't think that it reverts back to the previous firmware. I am pretty sure the newest firmware will remain. Papaleo who said he just did a factory reset can confirm that.

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That is a correct assumption all your picture settings and passwords will need to re-entered. However I don't think that it reverts back to the previous firmware. I am pretty sure the newest firmware will remain. Papaleo who said he just did a factory reset can confirm that.
Excactly,After the factory setting reset it doesn't go back to the previous firmware.
Al the other things like, picture settings,Apps,and passwords Those are all gone...
It is a lot of work, I would'nt do this again soon...

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Excactly,After the factory setting reset it doesn't go back to the previous firmware.
Al the other things like, picture settings,Apps,and passwords Those are all gone...
It is a lot of work, I would'nt do this again soon...
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I see that you are big fan of 3D. what is your opinion about 940c 3D mode? Did you see any issues?
Hi Ultrasilent.

Im a massive 3D fan hence my user name. Ive owned multiple 3D projectors & I own the x940c... and tbh the 3D on it is bitterly disappointing. The in all modes apart from game mode its NOT true HD 3D. So if you are used to super sharp 3D then it will look slightly soft, especially if you **** close to the TV like me, 3m.

Even if you dont sit close the 3D picture lacks that wow detail that a good 3D set has.

On top of that the colours in 3D take a big hit and just looks plain wrong. I dont even think the 3D effect is even that good either. Lacks pop.

Ive owned 3 of these sets and they all performed the same. I had to swap out two sets because of a grey line that ran thru the middle of the screen. Im a gamer and it shows up really bad on games... normal TV you may never notice it.

3D in GAME mode is true HD.... but it flickers and judders a bit.... so its a horrible compromise.

Ive owned the model before the x940c... cant remember its name... it was passive 3D. Tho it still lacked a 3D POP effect.... the colors in 3D was awesome and it did not flicker and it was true HD 3D.

My favorite 3D TV to date is the curved Samsung 78JS9500. I Dont know what samsung are doing, but the colours is great, true HD 3D, and the depth and POP was amazing. You can clearly see the layers between every 3D element.

Sadly i did not keep the Sammy and stuck with the x940c because its 2D picture won overall for gaming.

But i do look back everyday and wished i kept the sammy for its 3D. Hopefully ill find a second hand one as they discontinue the line and i get it super cheap!
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x940c HDR UHD Discs.

I wonder if 940c owners can help me. Ive got the sammy 4k bluray player.

Ive set the HDMI to enhanced the the sammy player is set up correctly as ive read on these forums.

I got several 4K UHD discs, Martian, The Reverent, Deadpool. Ive been comparing the 4K disc to the bluray... and tbh i cant see a night or day difference in terms of HDR. To me it looks like the UHD discs is duller.

The UHD discs indefinably has better resolution, detail, shading, 2k vs 4k... thats what i expect. But the image seems duller.

Ive factory reset the TV, set the HDMI to enhanced, reset the HDR picture setting to factory defaults... and im comparing it to "Standard" Picture set to defaults with all noise reduction off.

Am i missing something?
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Hi Ultrasilent.

1. I own the x940c... and tbh the 3D on it is bitterly disappointing. The in all modes apart from game mode its NOT true HD 3D. So if you are used to super sharp 3D then it will look slightly soft, especially if you **** close to the TV like me, 3m.

2. I dont even think the 3D effect is even that good either. Lacks pop.

3. 3D in GAME mode is true HD.... but it flickers and judders a bit.... so its a horrible compromise.
1. I sit 2.4 m away. I can`t confirm that only Game mode have full hd 3d, I can confirm that you have full hd 3d ONLY with Motion flow OFF.
2. I`m happy with 3d effect BUT I`m not so happy with ghosting issues. And to minimize them we should use MF OFF again. Also better to use Low glasses brightness and Low contrast.
3. To minimize flickering I`m using Game mode + Local Dimming High.
MF ON also brings pulldown jitter so MF should be always OFF in 3D mode!!!
But anyway we have flicker in 3D mode, BUT I see that motion resolution in 3D mode is good thanks to this flickering algorithm, similar to Impulse in older models.
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1. I sit 2.4 m away. I can`t confirm that only Game mode have full hd 3d, I can confirm that you have full hd 3d ONLY with Motion flow OFF.
2. I`m happy with 3d effect BUT I`m not so happy with ghosting issues. And to minimize them we should use MF OFF again. Also better to use Low glasses brightness and Low contrast.
3. To minimize flickering I`m using Game mode + Local Dimming High.
MF ON also brings pulldown jitter so MF should be always OFF in 3D mode!!!
But anyway we have flicker in 3D mode, BUT I see that motion resolution in 3D mode is good thanks to this flickering algorithm, similar to Impulse in older models.
The ghosting is actually no worse than most LCD active shutter 3D TV. Sadly because we both sit very close to the TV, the ghosting is most likely more distracting than usual.

But saying that i sat the same distance from the 78in Sammy, its 3in bigger, yet the ghosting did not bother me that much. I feel its because the 3D depth and pop was amazing on that TV, the best 3D display i have ever used. Combined with the great colour... it just made for a pronominal 3D viewing experience.

Its so sad theres no perfect TV and we have to accept comprises.
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x940c HDR UHD Discs.

I wonder if 940c owners can help me. Ive got the sammy 4k bluray player.

Ive set the HDMI to enhanced the the sammy player is set up correctly as ive read on these forums.

I got several 4K UHD discs, Martian, The Reverent, Deadpool. Ive been comparing the 4K disc to the bluray... and tbh i cant see a night or day difference in terms of HDR. To me it looks like the UHD discs is duller.

The UHD discs indefinably has better resolution, detail, shading, 2k vs 4k... thats what i expect. But the image seems duller.

Ive factory reset the TV, set the HDMI to enhanced, reset the HDR picture setting to factory defaults... and im comparing it to "Standard" Picture set to defaults with all noise reduction off.

Am i missing something?
What #version firmware you have in the tv?
The old or the latest (v3.473) version?

I ask you this because (see link) i notice that the 4k HDR picture quality has become less after the last/latest firmware update.

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The ghosting is actually no worse than most LCD active shutter 3D TV. Sadly because we both sit very close to the TV, the ghosting is most likely more distracting than usual.

But saying that i sat the same distance from the 78in Sammy, its 3in bigger, yet the ghosting did not bother me that much. I feel its because the 3D depth and pop was amazing on that TV, the best 3D display i have ever used. Combined with the great colour... it just made for a pronominal 3D viewing experience.

Its so sad theres no perfect TV and we have to accept comprises.
I can see ghosting only with bright or white picture elements on black, BUT dark or black elements on white bring no ghosting. The most distracting issue (is it really issue?) is flicker on bright scenes. My opinion that sony uses unswitchable Impulse mode in 3d with MF OFF, that delivers good motion resolution and flawless motion for 23.976. What you think about flicker? I tried to address this issue to sony but got no answer:

http://community.sony.com/t5/4K-Ultr...ghlight/false#

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OK. You guys are having a totally different experience with 3D than I. This is the best 3D set I have ever owned. I do not see any ghosting, flickering, or dullness. I've owned the Panasonic 65VT25 (ghosting), Sharp 80LE844 (dull and ghosting), Sony 850A (a little better than the other 2 but still some ghosting), JVC X3 (horrid 3D ghosting), and this one. I sit about 10-11 feet away.


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Which MF mode you are using? OFF?
All that stuff is always off. In all fairness, the only time I have seen any minor ghosting is on opening title credits. Not always, but once in a while.

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I am shopping for a new Sony 4K UHD TV and I am looking at the 55" 850D and the 55" 930D. I have a few questions:

1) Which one has a better backlight technology? I recall one is edge and the other one is not edge...

2) I think 930D comes with 3D while the 850D doesn't have 3D. I don't really need 3D, but I think the 930D has a slight better chip that makes the picture look a little better... What do you think? Is it worth getting the 930D?

3) Anything else I should know to make me decide?

Thanks!

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I am shopping for a new Sony 4K UHD TV and I am looking at the 55" 850D and the 55" 930D. I have a few questions:

1) Which one has a better backlight technology? I recall one is edge and the other one is not edge...

2) I think 930D comes with 3D while the 850D doesn't have 3D. I don't really need 3D, but I think the 930D has a slight better chip that makes the picture look a little better... What do you think? Is it worth getting the 930D?

3) Anything else I should know to make me decide?

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You might try asking in the D threads. This is the C thread. The 930D is edge-lit if I am not mistaken.

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the only time I have seen any minor ghosting is on opening title credits. Not always, but once in a while.
What about my links above?
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What about my links above?
I have not used them. Everything I watch is framepack. I don't have anything SbS or T/B.

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I have not used them. Everything I watch is framepack. I don't have anything SbS or T/B.
If you don`t like them, you can use this disc:
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but I can predict that you don`t have it... so you can use links above because it doesn`t matter which 3D format you are using, you will have same ghosting level.
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If you don`t like them, you can use this disc:
http://handforgedvideo.com/portfolio/pattern-help-text/

but I can predict that you don`t have it... so you can use links above because it doesn`t matter which 3D format you are using, you will have same ghosting level.
I'll look at them. I also have the S&M disc. I have not had ghosting except for a couple opening titles. I've probably watched 25-30 3D movies on it. More 3D than UHD so far, and I've had it since December. Like I said, this is the best 3D set I have ever owned. I am very sensitive to flaws to the point where I can fixate on them. Comes with the territory.

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Quick question. Does anybody know if you can loop a flash drive video file on these? I have both an X930C (in 55 and 65 inch flavors) and an X940D. I want to keep looping a PowerPoint presentation (converted to MP4 of course), and don't want to have to constantly hit play. Tips, tricks, suggestions?
I think you can do it with the VLC player. I will check it out tonight if I get the time. My suggestion is to get a few of the alternative video players such as VLC, Archos, and MX player. Depending on your codec, you may need to additionally download the codec pack for archos player ("All codecs for archos")

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Hey there. I have the lastest firmware. I deffo noticed the hdr picture has become more dull with the latest update. But even with the one before the picture was not that much different in terms of contrast over HD BRay.

Ive had the same panasonic... the 3D is not good on that TV. And JVC... always bad for 3D. I think the reason you happy with the x940c is becuase its your best 3D picture so far. Ive had better so for me the 3D on this set is backwards, very lacking.

Also without being rude. I had a friend who said cross talk/ghosting? He claimed to had none. I said thats impossible and came over to his house. I pointed it out all over the image... and he was like.. oh i see... its everywhere..... So without being rude to you, its probally because you dont know what you need to look out for. As all x940c will have xtalk. Some movies have way less than others. But they all have xtalk and ghostin .
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OK. You guys are having a totally different experience with 3D than I. This is the best 3D set I have ever owned. I do not see any ghosting, flickering, or dullness. I've owned the Panasonic 65VT25 (ghosting), Sharp 80LE844 (dull and ghosting), Sony 850A (a little better than the other 2 but still some ghosting), JVC X3 (horrid 3D ghosting), and this one. I sit about 10-11 feet away.


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I agree. The 3D on the 940C looks great to me. I also own the passive 900A and the 3D looks just as good but with less ghosting on the 940C. On the 900A I couldn't sit closer than about 8 feet or so on titles with a lot a parallax, but on the 940C I watched the torture test movie Comin' at Ya! without very little ghosting from only 5 feet away. Was very impressed by that.
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Hi Ultrasilent.

Im a massive 3D fan hence my user name. Ive owned multiple 3D projectors & I own the x940c... and tbh the 3D on it is bitterly disappointing. The in all modes apart from game mode its NOT true HD 3D. So if you are used to super sharp 3D then it will look slightly soft, especially if you **** close to the TV like me, 3m.

Even if you dont sit close the 3D picture lacks that wow detail that a good 3D set has.

On top of that the colours in 3D take a big hit and just looks plain wrong. I dont even think the 3D effect is even that good either. Lacks pop.

Ive owned 3 of these sets and they all performed the same. I had to swap out two sets because of a grey line that ran thru the middle of the screen. Im a gamer and it shows up really bad on games... normal TV you may never notice it.

3D in GAME mode is true HD.... but it flickers and judders a bit.... so its a horrible compromise.

Ive owned the model before the x940c... cant remember its name... it was passive 3D. Tho it still lacked a 3D POP effect.... the colors in 3D was awesome and it did not flicker and it was true HD 3D.

My favorite 3D TV to date is the curved Samsung 78JS9500. I Dont know what samsung are doing, but the colours is great, true HD 3D, and the depth and POP was amazing. You can clearly see the layers between every 3D element.

Sadly i did not keep the Sammy and stuck with the x940c because its 2D picture won overall for gaming.

But i do look back everyday and wished i kept the sammy for its 3D. Hopefully ill find a second hand one as they discontinue the line and i get it super cheap!
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1. I sit 2.4 m away. I can`t confirm that only Game mode have full hd 3d, I can confirm that you have full hd 3d ONLY with Motion flow OFF.
2. I`m happy with 3d effect BUT I`m not so happy with ghosting issues. And to minimize them we should use MF OFF again. Also better to use Low glasses brightness and Low contrast.
3. To minimize flickering I`m using Game mode + Local Dimming High.
MF ON also brings pulldown jitter so MF should be always OFF in 3D mode!!!
But anyway we have flicker in 3D mode, BUT I see that motion resolution in 3D mode is good thanks to this flickering algorithm, similar to Impulse in older models.
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The ghosting is actually no worse than most LCD active shutter 3D TV. Sadly because we both sit very close to the TV, the ghosting is most likely more distracting than usual.

But saying that i sat the same distance from the 78in Sammy, its 3in bigger, yet the ghosting did not bother me that much. I feel its because the 3D depth and pop was amazing on that TV, the best 3D display i have ever used. Combined with the great colour... it just made for a pronominal 3D viewing experience.

Its so sad theres no perfect TV and we have to accept comprises.
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OK. You guys are having a totally different experience with 3D than I. This is the best 3D set I have ever owned. I do not see any ghosting, flickering, or dullness. I've owned the Panasonic 65VT25 (ghosting), Sharp 80LE844 (dull and ghosting), Sony 850A (a little better than the other 2 but still some ghosting), JVC X3 (horrid 3D ghosting), and this one. I sit about 10-11 feet away.


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teachsac, I'm with you. I have never seen a better 3-D image on any FALD LCD panel. I never see any of those anomalies and sit about 9 feet away.
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