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post #13501 of 14302 Old 07-26-2017, 09:23 AM
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I know it's pretty late to be asking this question, but do you owners think it would be worth it to "upgrade" to a 930C from my current XBR65X850C? I like my 850C but I feel I'm missing out on HDR due to lack of any local dimming. The problem is I enjoy 3D Blu ray so any new TVs are out for me, and I read that the 930D had terrible 3D that Sony refuses to fix. I have seen refurbished 930C's for a good price that offer returns so I don't see it as a huge risk. My sources are a Sony UBP-X800, PS4 Pro, and Amazon Video for HDR.
I'm curious what the market is for the refurbs -- what price would you be looking at, and what's your source?

As far as if this is a good idea or not... As far as image quality goes, I think my screen (940c) screen is amazing ... I spent a lot of time learning how to properly calibrate the screen, and it did make a difference, but overall, everyone who has watched a movie at my place agrees that it is like going to a movie theater.

I don't watch too much 3D, but I will also say that 3D on this screen is also surprisingly good, and basically "theater-like". I think it is probably the best 3D LCD ever made.

It is tricky to calibrate the near-blacks while having the dimming set to "High" -- which ultimately produces OLED-like blacks, but was a fair amount of effort to calibrate. I suspect that the newer 940E is easier to get to superior levels of inky blacks.

There are some downsides to this screen, however -- no Dolby Vision (ever) ... Most likely no Dynamic HDR10 ... No Youtube HDR (VP9 Profile 2) ... The "Smart TV" computer built into the screen is very underpowered. I'm sure that if you already have experience with the 850c, you already realize this.

Personally, my biggest concern with this screen is that I feel that there is a fairly high chance that 3 years from now, most HDR content will be released in a format that this screen does not support (VP9.2 or Dolby Vision).

If I didn't urgently need a new screen, I personally wouldn't be buying anything at all right now, and waiting for the dust to settle on standards, and if I did have to, I would probably consider as the best options: 75" Vizio P-Series, 75" Sony 940E, Refurb 75" 940C.

Hope this helps!


Edited to add: I just noticed you were asking about the 930 (65") not 940.

Keep in mind that the 930c does have "some" local dimming, but IMHO, anything short of FALD will be missing a lot of the benefits of HDR. If 65" is your maximum size, I'd consider the 65" Vizio P-Series. I agree with your comments on the "d" series -- and I would not consider the 930d/940d at all.

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I would keep the 850C. In my opinion it does a fairly good job with HDR. Wait a few years until you feel the set is obsolete.
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I was wondering if anyone on this forum has the Oppo 205 4K player? I was having an issue with my Panasonic 4K player in that it wouldn't let me do a hardwire ethernet connection, however It worked fine as far as Wi-Fi. Anyway I wound up taking it to the Geek Squad at Best Buy Magnolia and I was surprised to get a call back from them saying they were going to replace the whole unit. Best Buy also said I could use the money I spent for it towards the Oppo 205. This actually worked out good for me because my Denon A1UDCI universal BD player had gone on the fritz and it being over 8 years old it would be prohibitive to get it repaired. So I needed a player that had good analog 2-channel XLR analog outputs along with m/c analog outputs since for music I preferred that over HDMI. One of the things I liked about the Panasonic player among others is that when I turned it on with it's remote or on the player it also went to the input it was on and also turned on the TV. This does not happen with the Oppo player, I have to turn the TV on with the TV remote and also select the input I am using for the Oppo . I was wondering if I could get this to happen with the Oppo, I tried pushing the Sony Sync button on the remote but the only devices that were showing up was my Direct TV DVR and my Sony X-800 4K player when I choose the select device option, the Oppo 205 does not appear. Maybe the Sony Sync button is only for Sony products.

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Off topic...Are you going to make a future strategic move to replace your 940C with a Sony OLED? I'm not trying to be nosy but just curious. Looking back I sure wish that I bought the 940C but just couldn't afford it at the time.
Based on the horrendous SONY support that I have experienced with my XBR75X940C I will never buy another SONY set.
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I would like to get some insight concerning the latest Firmware update for the940C model, PKG3.885.0137NAB dated 6/20/2017. I’m new to asking questions on forums, so I can imagine that this issue might already have been addressed elsewhere. A point in the right direction would be appriciated.

After several failed attempts at an over the air update, I downloaded and unzipped the update directly from the Sony site for the 940C. Following the instructions, the .pgk file that unpacked did not match what the Sony site itself said I should have. The instructions said I should have file sony_dtv0FA50A09A0A9_00014300_0f190088.pkg, but instead I received xxx_0f2d0089.pkg.

I don’t want to attempt to install this unless others had a positive experience. When I searched for the file # that I did receive, it came up as being associated w/ the “D” models.

Another discrepancy I noticed – Sony’s update page said “ Improvements over version PKG3.865.0135NAB:…” - on my TV the current version shows as PKG3.865.0136NAB which came from my last over the air update about a month ago

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I got lucky and Sony replaced my motherboard shortly after the warranty expired. If they won't try to find the part and replace it yourself. I did this myself with an older Sony tv. Saved me a couple hundred dollars. I watched the tech do the repair and it was not that difficult.


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Great news after much delay and back and forth. After doing an official service diagnostic via BestBuy, SONY is currently reviewing my case to have it replaced with the 75x940E. Hope it goes through. Otherwise, $5,000 down the drain.
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Great news after much delay and back and forth. After doing an official service diagnostic via BestBuy, SONY is currently reviewing my case to have it replaced with the 75x940E. Hope it goes through. Otherwise, $5,000 down the drain.
Sadly, while you won't have much choice in the matter (and might not care), you're going to lose 3-D.
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I'm currently the proud owner of a 940C.

Looking at the 75Z9D. Anyone here that can offer their thoughts about the upgrade? Worth it?

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I'm currently the proud owner of a 940C.

Looking at the 75Z9D. Anyone here that can offer their thoughts about the upgrade? Worth it?

Thanks folks!

Is it worth it? If money was not an issue it's most likely worth it, because of the newer technology. Personally I am very happy with my 940C, but of course I wish it was Dolby Vision capable and I'm sure their new flagship model that you mentioned is going to have an even better picture. Before the 940C I had a Pioneer plasma for over 9 years so no 3D no 4K & not smart so this TV should keep me satisfied for at least 5 years.

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Love my 940C... However I've got a line on a used 75Z9D at a really great price.


I wonder how much I can get for my 940C
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Our 940C is a real workhorse, well designed, engineered and VERY RELIABLE!!!! I never had a Clouding issue, and the 4K HDR picture is beyond GREAT! The 75Z9D is their last Sony to give us 3D!! We now have the new Sony OLED TV, saw it at Best Buy, very nice but pricey!! Not sure about Used Marketplace, Easy to sell, VERY HARD to ship without the original box.. Local Market Economy will dictate price.. I have the San Diego and LA marketplace at my disposal!! Wondering why a 2017 Sony 75Z9D is even being SOLD???
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Our 940C is a real workhorse, well designed, engineered and VERY RELIABLE!!!! I never had a Clouding issue, and the 4K HDR picture is beyond GREAT! The 75Z9D is their last Sony to give us 3D!! We now have the new Sony OLED TV, saw it at Best Buy, very nice but pricey!! Not sure about Used Marketplace, Easy to sell, VERY HARD to ship without the original box.. Local Market Economy will dictate price.. I have the San Diego and LA marketplace at my disposal!! Wondering why a 2017 Sony 75Z9D is even being SOLD???

I'm in the LA area so I suppose I could try to sell it as "local pick-up" only... Any thoughts as to what a fair price to ask might be?
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I'm currently the proud owner of a 940C.

Looking at the 75Z9D. Anyone here that can offer their thoughts about the upgrade? Worth it?

Thanks folks!
It might be prudent to wait for the next year's OLED and see if the 75+ sizes come down in price.

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That's what I was thinking, as well. But the z9d sure is tempting. The 940C has a great picture once it is dialed in so I can only imagine owning a z9d. Gosh, I still enjoy my HX929, as well.
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I agree with others have said ... I probably wouldn't upgrade unless the cost was minimal and you were certain that the used Z9D didn't have problems ... You might be trading in a perfectly good screen for a screen with problems...

Pricing has been moving down very rapidly (940c price I think was mostly around $7K during it's heyday and didn't drop to $5k until the 940d was announced ... 940d launched at $8K, and didn't drop to $5k for months ... 940e has been selling for $5k essentially from the very beginning)

Looking at the improvements on the LG OLED side, things have improved enormously as pricing has fallen. The codec wars seem to still be churning new standards left and right (HDR10+, Dynamic HDR10, VP9.2, hdmi2.0b, etc) ... I wouldn't be at all surprised if in 12-18 months you can get a reasonably priced ($5K or less is my line in the sand)75" OLED supporting codecs which have not even been announced today.

With that said, it seems as of right now that Dolby Vision is going to be the big hole for 940c in the future, and the Z9D does add that.

As far as image quality goes -- with proper calibration, the 940c offers better image quality than what is available in most movie theaters today (which use 1080p projectors with contrast ratios inferior to the 940c's FALD).
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I agree with others have said ... I probably wouldn't upgrade unless the cost was minimal and you were certain that the used Z9D didn't have problems ... You might be trading in a perfectly good screen for a screen with problems...

Pricing has been moving down very rapidly (940c price I think was mostly around $7K during it's heyday and didn't drop to $5k until the 940d was announced ... 940d launched at $8K, and didn't drop to $5k for months ... 940e has been selling for $5k essentially from the very beginning)

Looking at the improvements on the LG OLED side, things have improved enormously as pricing has fallen. The codec wars seem to still be churning new standards left and right (HDR10+, Dynamic HDR10, VP9.2, hdmi2.0b, etc) ... I wouldn't be at all surprised if in 12-18 months you can get a reasonably priced ($5K or less is my line in the sand)75" OLED supporting codecs which have not even been announced today.

With that said, it seems as of right now that Dolby Vision is going to be the big hole for 940c in the future, and the Z9D does add that.

As far as image quality goes -- with proper calibration, the 940c offers better image quality than what is available in most movie theaters today (which use 1080p projectors with contrast ratios inferior to the 940c's FALD).

Anybody else unhappy with YouTube's new home page on the 940C. It look the same as the SonyX-800 4K player. I preferred the way it was previous to this update which must have just happened in the last day or two. The stats for nerds was much less intrusive, instead now its right in the middle of the screen. Also you can't force the resolution to 2160 like you could before this update.

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Anybody else unhappy with YouTube's new home page on the 940C. It look the same as the SonyX-800 4K player. I preferred the way it was previous to this update which must have just happened in the last day or two. The stats for nerds was much less intrusive, instead now its right in the middle of the screen. Also you can't force the resolution to 2160 like you could before this update.
I had accidentally upgraded my youtube app on my x930c a few days ago, didnt care for the update since i couldnt force the 2160 resolution as you stated, all i did was uninstall the update in the google play settings and it went back to the version that had come with the latest firmware update. i also unchecked the auto update option on all my apps while in the google play store. hope that helps some
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I had accidentally upgraded my youtube app on my x930c a few days ago, didnt care for the update since i couldnt force the 2160 resolution as you stated, all i did was uninstall the update in the google play settings and it went back to the version that had come with the latest firmware update. i also unchecked the auto update option on all my apps while in the google play store. hope that helps some
Thanks res036 that is a big help as I am going to do the exact same thing. Mine just updated by itself so I am going also uncheck the auto update option.

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Any fix for the 940C random restarts yet?

My 940C has gotten a lot better since Sony replaced the main board but I still get the occasional random reboot. I just try to focus on the good picture and the audio that the TV outputs.

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I've not had any random restart for nearly a year and very little issues at all. I think it probably depends on what Apps and Inputs are used. The only Apps I use are Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBO Now, YouTube, Video (stream from NAS server), and SlingTV. The Inputs I use are HDMI 4 for the Denon Reciever, Screen Mirroring, and HDMI 1 for casting from the Microsoft Surface. I use hard-wired ethernet for the Internet connection.
Only two issues occur more than once a month. Sync issue between Panasonic 4K player and Sony TV when starting a 4K UHD disc (requires some starting and stop and cursing) and audio not automatically returning to internal speakers when turning off Denon Receiver.
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I've spent many hours calibrating my XBR 940C picture settings. My set is at 6.01 Android, and I am using an NVidia Shield for my primary source. I am not using the internal Sony Android apps for anything at this point. I really prefer the Shield in just about all parameters. The below settings are for standard 4K sources. I am not happy with the HDR settings, I have not successfully tuned out the darkness and heavy red skew that the Sony's HDR settings give you.

I finally came up with settings that I like a lot. I used to do professional video setup and calibrations ( I was never ISF certified though), so I have some experience forcing sets to perform despite the their factory settings I should mention that I've never really bought into ISF calibrations, I don't really think the results are natural, giving a somewhat dull and lifeless picture. So what I think looks best is probably somewhat unique

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I have a 930C. Starting today, while watching my Oppo UDP-205 via HDMI 2 and Cable via HDMI 1, I keep getting a pop-up warning that YouTube has stopped working. The pop-up box offered an OK and a Send Info option. Does anyone know what happened and how to fix it?
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The YouTube app on your TV was updated. In the settings go to apps and find YouTube. Try clearing the Data. If that doesn't work hold the power button on the TV remote until the TV reboots.
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I've not had any random restart for nearly a year and very little issues at all. I think it probably depends on what Apps and Inputs are used. The only Apps I use are Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBO Now, YouTube, Video (stream from NAS server), and SlingTV. The Inputs I use are HDMI 4 for the Denon Reciever, Screen Mirroring, and HDMI 1 for casting from the Microsoft Surface. I use hard-wired ethernet for the Internet connection.
Only two issues occur more than once a month. Sync issue between Panasonic 4K player and Sony TV when starting a 4K UHD disc (requires some starting and stop and cursing) and audio not automatically returning to internal speakers when turning off Denon Receiver.

I never get the audio to automatically go back to the TV speakers when I stop using my sound system. I always have to go back into the Settings Menu and reselect the TV speakers. Are the TV speakers supposed to automatically turn on once you turn off your sound system?

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I have a 930C. Starting today, while watching my Oppo UDP-205 via HDMI 2 and Cable via HDMI 1, I keep getting a pop-up warning that YouTube has stopped working. The pop-up box offered an OK and a Send Info option. Does anyone know what happened and how to fix it?

The You Tube app did update itself like PaulGo mentioned so that might have caused it, but I get those pop-up boxes occasionally for no reason and I just click ok and they go away, a bit of a nuisance.
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I never get the audio to automatically go back to the TV speakers when I stop using my sound system. I always have to go back into the Settings Menu and reselect the TV speakers. Are the TV speakers supposed to automatically turn on once you turn off your sound system?
I am not in front of my TV at this time, but there is a setting on the TV to have the TV detect a receiver active on the HDMI ARC (HDMI 4) and switch the audio to external and then back to internal when the receiver is off. The Sony ARC works well for me and I like being able to control the receiver volume using the TV's volume control. I have disconnected the optical cable that I used when I first purchased the TV and now only use the ARC connection. I have active by-pass set on the receiver so when the receiver is off, my TiVo (typical active device) is able to play on the TV. The TV plays the sound since the TiVo is not an ARC device.

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Any fix for the 940C random restarts yet?
With the latest firmware update, and doing a full reset of the TV, my random reboots have gone away.
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I am not in front of my TV at this time, but there is a setting on the TV to have the TV detect a receiver active on the HDMI ARC (HDMI 4) and switch the audio to external and then back to internal when the receiver is off. The Sony ARC works well for me and I like being able to control the receiver volume using the TV's volume control. I have disconnected the optical cable that I used when I first purchased the TV and now only use the ARC connection. I have active by-pass set on the receiver so when the receiver is off, my TiVo (typical active device) is able to play on the TV. The TV plays the sound since the TiVo is not an ARC device.

I was using an optical connection from the TV/DTV to my pre/pro for audio and than an HDMI out from my DTV HR54 DVR to the TV. However I am going to change that to an HDMI connection from the DVR to the pre/pro and than the pre/pro's HDMI output to the TV and I'll use the ARC HDMI 4 for that. This way I can at least see the pre/pro's OSD on the TV with one of my connections.

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With the latest firmware update, and doing a full reset of the TV, my random reboots have gone away.

I haven't had too many since the latest up-date + the new Main Board. I didn't do a factory reset however after the last update. I am glad I still have this TV, initially I had a chance to exchange and pay the difference for there new 75" Z series, but ultimately decided that it wasn't worth it. Also this is the only TV left with these kind of speakers and we wind up using those most of the time and not turning on the sound system.

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Since my pre/pro is over 8 years old it cannot pass 4K and I have to use the dual HDMI connection with my 4K player. Since my Direct TV HR 54 is a 4K capable DVR with only one HDMI output would I have to use the Optical output to my pre/pro and the HDMI output directly to the TV? I tried connecting the HDMI directly to my pre/pro and then another HDMI from one of the pre/pro's two HDMI outputs out to the TV but just got a blank screen.

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