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It depends on the price for me. I paid ~$5K for my x940C two years ago. I have both the x930c and x940c, the picture is definitely better on the x940c (better black level), but that is not say the x930c is bad. We have 930c in the family room and the 940c in mancave, so I see the difference in the two almost daily. I go to the x940c when watching movies or sports. We also have a 900b in our bedroom and the x930c is better than that.

If I were to buy the x940c today, I would pay $1500-$2000 for it depending on the number of hours on it and the condition.
Thanks for the response! that's roughly his current asking which i thought was reasonable. just curious what would be an acceptable number of usage hours?

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Thanks for the response! that's roughly his current asking which i thought was reasonable. just curious what would be an acceptable number of usage hours?

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I don't know what is the rule of thumb for hours on panel for resale price, but for reference my x940x has about 739 hours for about 22 hours of usage per month since having it. To me that is not a lot since we mostly use it on the weekends and it in a location that is 65-70 degrees at 30-65 relative humidity all year round. You might want to do a little search for acceptable hours usage for a panel or maybe someone on the forums can comment. If it's a demo/showroom TV, I would pay a lot less.

You can check the hour by turning on then off the TV, this is to make sure the TV is in standby mode. While the TV is off, press display, 5, vol down, power within 2 seconds. The TV should turn on in diagnostic mode. I forgot what is what but there should be numbers of hours at the bottom of the diag screen that is the number hour for TV on, number hours for the panel on, and a 3 number I don't remember what it was for. Try it on your x930C.
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I'm really not happy with my HDR image. John Wick 2 nearly reminded me of my old XBR2 backlit CCFL 1080p TV. The black bars look grayish and there is haloing around bright objects in a dark background. Any suggestions as to my settings?







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I'm really not happy with my HDR image. John Wick 2 nearly reminded me of my old XBR2 backlit CCFL 1080p TV. The black bars look grayish and there is haloing around bright objects in a dark background. Any suggestions as to my settings?








I have that movie and plan to watch it in the next couple of days. I have always left the HDR picture mode which the TV automatically defaults to at it's default settings.

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Hi guys so I?ve reading on here about the service menu and panel hrs .
Can anyone decipher this?
If I?m reading correctly I have over 2600 hrs on it since March of 2016
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Hi guys so I?ve reading on here about the service menu and panel hrs .
Can anyone decipher this?
If I?m reading correctly I have over 2600 hrs on it since March of 2016
Yes, TV has been on for over 2600 and the panel has been on for over 2600.

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I have John Wick 2 on UHD and it’s been a few months since I watched it, but my black bars were black with little shift throughout. I have similar settings, but I have brightness maxed and contrast around 85. I noticed when I max contrast and lower brightness, in HDR, I get a lot of floating blacks, but if I reverse it, it fixes the problem.

Also, John Wick is a bit sylezied, and pushes towards gray, so the black bars should be Solid Black, but the blacks in the movie, not so much.

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Anyone know when a new update is coming to fix bugs with the last? My picture is solid, but I have sound issues still. Sounds like someone is scratching a chalkboard if you fast forward and stop on normal TV.

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I have John Wick 2 on UHD and it’s been a few months since I watched it, but my black bars were black with little shift throughout. I have similar settings, but I have brightness maxed and contrast around 85. I noticed when I max contrast and lower brightness, in HDR, I get a lot of floating blacks, but if I reverse it, it fixes the problem.

Also, John Wick is a bit sylezied, and pushes towards gray, so the black bars should be Solid Black, but the blacks in the movie, not so much.

Thanks for the info I will keep it in mind when I watch the movie and I will lower the contrast to see what it does to the picture.

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Anyone know when a new update is coming to fix bugs with the last? My picture is solid, but I have sound issues still. Sounds like someone is scratching a chalkboard if you fast forward and stop on normal TV.

I too am still waiting for the latest firmware update to show up on my TV. I am not really having any major issues so I would rather not use the USB drive method to download the firmware from the Sony web-site.

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Thanks for the info I will keep it in mind when I watch the movie and I will lower the contrast to see what it does to the picture.




I too am still waiting for the latest firmware update to show up on my TV. I am not really having any major issues so I would rather not use the USB drive method to download the firmware from the Sony web-site.
Yeah, I agree, you can turn up the backlight to 100, but turn down the contrast to 76 or 77.

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I played with my contrast setting this weekend a bit and I noticed even a few clicks up or down makes quite a difference in HDR. My PS4 Pro games have HDR adjustments and dropping from 95 to 90 on the TV made me adjust 10% or more in the games to compensate.

CCsoftball7 you mentioned a few pages back that the 940c gets brighter than the 940e, I have not found any real measurements of peak nits for the 940c like the do in the newer reviews. Have you seen measurements?
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I played with my contrast setting this weekend a bit and I noticed even a few clicks up or down makes quite a difference in HDR. My PS4 Pro games have HDR adjustments and dropping from 95 to 90 on the TV made me adjust 10% or more in the games to compensate.

CCsoftball7 you mentioned a few pages back that the 940c gets brighter than the 940e, I have not found any real measurements of peak nits for the 940c like the do in the newer reviews. Have you seen measurements?
Good info on Contrast impacts to HDR Video mode. I will also give this a shot when I get home. In regards to the black bars being grey, I don't notice it much, it's really black when the picture is overall dark, and also most every time I watch, only sometimes I notice but when certain scenes really get bright at the top and bottom edges of the picture... the black bars can get impacted (perhaps the FALD is not able to properly compensate?)

Either way the tv's brightness is known to trade blows with the 940E, check out this link:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread....280279&page=10

The 940C is number 9 on the graph with the Z9D number 11. 940E is not shown but with all the recent reviews out on it, you can find its brightness levels per percentage of window on many sites.
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Thanks for the link TotoyZ4, I assume I can't see the graph since I don't have an account at blu-ray.com. I would have to say my experience is the opposite of yours in HDR, I find the bars seem not as black during darker scenes, but "appear" very black during a high brightness/contrast outdoor scene. I know they are not same set but there is alot of HDR discussion in the Z9D thread and depending on picture mode they use contrast from 86-91.

I don't know if anyone else here plays Battlefield 1 but for reference the game has an HDR adjustment slider that goes from 0-10000 to match the brightness of 2 white boxes. When I used Backlight - Max and Contrast - 95, I arrived at a value of 2600. Later I turned my Backlight setting to 48 (didn't seem to make a difference) and turned Contrast down to 90 and had to pump the slider up to 3600 to get the same result. Same type of adjuster in Horizon Zero Dawn, and I had to increase the game brightness setting from 30% to 40%. If nothing else these two games are a real treat in HDR on this TV on the PS4 Pro.

I also have Advanced Contrast Enhancer set to Medium, I have yet to notice any annoying brightness fluctuation like this setting caused on my 850C with frame dimming, obviously it must work differently with FALD.

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I played with my contrast setting this weekend a bit and I noticed even a few clicks up or down makes quite a difference in HDR. My PS4 Pro games have HDR adjustments and dropping from 95 to 90 on the TV made me adjust 10% or more in the games to compensate.

CCsoftball7 you mentioned a few pages back that the 940c gets brighter than the 940e, I have not found any real measurements of peak nits for the 940c like the do in the newer reviews. Have you seen measurements?
It was measured just under 1100 nits. You might have a hard time finding it online now as the set is a few years old. Other than the Z9D, I would rate the 940C at the top of the heap of backlit sets.

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It was measured just under 1100 nits. You might have a hard time finding it online now as the set is a few years old. Other than the Z9D, I would rate the 940C at the top of the heap of backlit sets.
Thanks for the values CCsoftball.

@Egghaus , I wish I could post the screenshot from the website but it appears they were sourced from Stacey Spears, who is part maker of the Spears & Munsil calibration discs.

In summary the graph they had shows this:

1% Area
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5% Area
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10% Area
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There are more measurements as the area goes higher but they were pretty impressive for this "older" set. Numbers be damned, I love this set's picture and brightness...though I don't use it all as it hurts my eyes sometimes
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Having only recently become an owner I can see why so many in this thread still hold this model in high regard. For SDR blu-ray the bars are black enough that they blend right in with the bezel. It gets so bright that it easily overcomes the dimness of the active 3D to make for a stunning presentation. And if aesthetics count for anything the 940c wins hands down. This is the only flagship model from recent years that actually looks the part IMO.
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Having only recently become an owner I can see why so many in this thread still hold this model in high regard. For SDR blu-ray the bars are black enough that they blend right in with the bezel. It gets so bright that it easily overcomes the dimness of the active 3D to make for a stunning presentation. And if aesthetics count for anything the 940c wins hands down. This is the only flagship model from recent years that actually looks the part IMO.

Yeah even with the faint vertical line right down the center my set has developed (95% of the time I cannot see it) im going to hang onto this set.

I contemplated getting the 75" z9d as a replacement but just cannot justify the cost. Plus i figure that this was Sony's equivalent of the z9d in 2015 (Flagship for that year). The TV has a beautiful picture with HDR and even standard blu ray. I honestly think Sony had something to prove with this TV and that after the z9d was released they nerfed the 940 models to create more of a gap between the z9d and the 940 models.
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I also have John Wick 2 on UHD, I played a few scenes from it tonight and felt the black bars were kinda grey. It seems black level is raised substantially in HDR, I know this is expected but I don't know why zones for the black bars don't just turn off? It seems like the backlight is still on in these zones.
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Yeah even with the faint vertical line right down the center my set has developed (95% of the time I cannot see it) im going to hang onto this set.

I contemplated getting the 75" z9d as a replacement but just cannot justify the cost. Plus i figure that this was Sony's equivalent of the z9d in 2015 (Flagship for that year). The TV has a beautiful picture with HDR and even standard blu ray. I honestly think Sony had something to prove with this TV and that after the z9d was released they nerfed the 940 models to create more of a gap between the z9d and the 940 models.
Well, no offense at all to the 940C, but the Z9D is the best LED set that's ever been released. So, while the difference in cost may not be worth it to you, the Z9D is a significant step up from the 940C (and any other LED set).

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I'm really not happy with my HDR image. John Wick 2 nearly reminded me of my old XBR2 backlit CCFL 1080p TV. The black bars look grayish and there is haloing around bright objects in a dark background. Any suggestions as to my settings?
Try a different movie. The wicks have been a let down in utilizing HDR.
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Well, no offense at all to the 940C, but the Z9D is the best LED set that's ever been released. So, while the difference in cost may not be worth it to you, the Z9D is a significant step up from the 940C (and any other LED set).
You are correct about the Z9D being a better set. After reading My post again I see what I said was a little misleading. Hopefully when I do decide to upgrade I can afford to splurge on whatever Sony's flagship set is.

Btw I tried your recommended HDR settings and really enjoy them.
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I'm really not happy with my HDR image. John Wick 2 nearly reminded me of my old XBR2 backlit CCFL 1080p TV. The black bars look grayish and there is haloing around bright objects in a dark background. Any suggestions as to my settings?
Not sure if this will help but im sure i read somewhere that for HDR video you need to use some sort of motionflow to improve the black bars. I use TrueCinema myself for movies. Worth a try. I also notice some greyish blacks when viewing HDR content. I have ambient backlighting on my tv which helps a lot. I have the x930c.

Also just a quick question, any of you guys that still have the x940 and x930c thinking of upgrading this year? i cant decide whether to go for an OLED or not. Im contemplating getting the sony x900F and waiting a few more years for an OLED.
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I thought the Motionflow thing was a bug I read about in the 940D thread, something about local dimming not activating without it on.

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Couple of tips on the hdr for the 940c. Avoid using the bias controls for both sdr and hdr as that can ruin the black level as well as tint the blacks. Turn live color to low which activates tone mapping so you can see more details in highlights. Turning contrast and/or backlight down drastically screws up the absolute pq curve which will make things darker than they should be.

On my tv, the highlights have too much blue in the grayscale which may be one reason why it looks too bright for some people. Unfortunately, you need a meter to dial it out using the 10 pt controls. The good part is that the grayscale besides the highlights look great without any changes to the 2 pt controls or to one of the expert color temp presets.

As for elevated black levels on disc, the sony ignores metadata completely from disc so black levels can fluctuate depending on how it was mastered by each individual studio. I've seen quite a few universal studio discs like Lucy where dropping the black level on either the tv or player will match the blacks on the bluray disc.
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Couple of tips on the hdr for the 940c. Avoid using the bias controls for both sdr and hdr as that can ruin the black level as well as tint the blacks. Turn live color to low which activates tone mapping so you can see more details in highlights. Turning contrast and/or backlight down drastically screws up the absolute pq curve which will make things darker than they should be.

On my tv, the highlights have too much blue in the grayscale which may be one reason why it looks too bright for some people. Unfortunately, you need a meter to dial it out using the 10 pt controls. The good part is that the grayscale besides the highlights look great without any changes to the 2 pt controls or to one of the expert color temp presets.

As for elevated black levels on disc, the sony ignores metadata completely from disc so black levels can fluctuate depending on how it was mastered by each individual studio. I've seen quite a few universal studio discs like Lucy where dropping the black level on either the tv or player will match the blacks on the bluray disc.
Could you share your settings?
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Could you share your settings?
I'll post them here but remember that every tv is different so it may not work so well on your tv. Calibration done with a i1pro 2 and i1 display pro using Masciola's hdr 10 patterns.

Hdr:

Brightness: 49
Contrast: 99
Gamma: 0
Black level: 50
Black adjust: off
Adv contrast: off
Sharpness: 50

Color: 49
Hue: 0
Color Space: auto
Live color: low

Expert 1 or 2 color temp.
2 pt left at default. Gains at max and bias at zero.

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8: r 1, g 0, b -6
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I'll post them here but remember that every tv is different so it may not work so well on your tv. Calibration done with a i1pro 2 and i1 display pro using Masciola's hdr 10 patterns.

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Brightness: 49
Contrast: 99
Gamma: 0
Black level: 50
Black adjust: off
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Color: 49
Hue: 0
Color Space: auto
Live color: low

Expert 1 or 2 color temp.
2 pt is left at all zeros.

10 pt is all zeros except the following-
8: r 1, g 0, b -6
9: r -1, g 0, b -10
10: r -5, g 0, b -9
Cool. thank you. When you have time your SDR settings would be appreciated.For HDR, Expert 1/2 is MAX. MAX, MAX/ 0,0,0 ?
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Cool. thank you. When you have time your SDR settings would be appreciated.For HDR, Expert 1/2 is MAX. MAX, MAX/ 0,0,0 ?
Yes, max for the gains and zeros for the bias. Not sure I have time to post the sdr settings but it has the same blue tint in the grayscale. Try lowering the blue gain to -3 to see if that helps out.
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Yes, max for the gains and zeros for the bias. Not sure I have time to post the sdr settings but it has the same blue tint in the grayscale. Try lowering the blue gain to -3 to see if that helps out.
Thank you!
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Yes, max for the gains and zeros for the bias. Not sure I have time to post the sdr settings but it has the same blue tint in the grayscale. Try lowering the blue gain to -3 to see if that helps out.
Thank you again. Changed all gains to MAX (had at MAX/MAX/-4) and added your 10 point settings. Looks great!!!!
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