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You only need 500 nits minimum for proper HDR10 all the new OLED Panels no matter who the manufacturer is, far exceed them and have more than enough brightness

to say HDR is no good for OLEDs is silly! Every Professional Calibrator and Tv reviewer and tv engineer will tell you the same!
500 nits is only for marketing, you can`t show all 10 000nits in good way with 500 nits only.

I said oled is no good for HDR10! that`s why oled owners prefer DV because it is like crutch.

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LG processing is awfull.
regarding sony oled: they have same LG panels, with all their flaws: near black banding and arfefacts, can`t show some lowest levels of grey, burning-in...

You can test your oled and you will see it.
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If director don`t like that you see some shadow detail then he will erase it by any tool available...
With oled you should watch mostly DV content and better avoid HDR10, because oled not good for it...

And 3D lovers happy with 9405C, new TV`s don`t have any 3D. 9405C with Z9D are best TV`s ever made, IMHO.
Rubbish, utter absolute rubbish. You refuse to believe how products evolve. I have a Sony 940c and 2 LG OLEDs and there is very very little difference in the processing. I have written about this numerous times. I watch actual content, not test patterns...crazy, I know. Do you really think that these professional reviewers, who continually state OLED is the best display tech there is, are in some conspiratorial group do denigrate LCDs?

Okeedokey, done here. There was a reason I left these threads and nothing much has changed. The same refusal to deal with logic. I no longer have the patience to deal with people that simply don't listen.
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You only need 500 nits minimum for proper HDR10 all the new OLED Panels no matter who the manufacturer is, far exceed them and have more than enough brightness

to say HDR is no good for OLEDs is silly! Every Professional Calibrator and Tv reviewer and tv engineer will tell you the same!
500 nits is only for marketing, you can`t show all 10 000nits in good way with 500 nits only.

I said oled is no good for HDR10! that`s why oled owners prefer DV because it is like crutch.
No tv can touch 10000 nits let alone 4000 lol
My old LCD barely hit 1000 nits, if it even got that close! It still had fantastic HDR! Depending on content DV and HDR10 are not all that different to the naked eye, I couldn’t tell a difference in a blind test honestly. OLEDs are fine with HDR don’t worry yourself preoccupying yourself with it.

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1. You refuse to believe how products evolve. I have a Sony 940c and 2 LG OLEDs and there is very very little difference in the processing. I have written about this numerous times. I watch actual content, not test patterns...crazy, I know. Do you really think that these professional reviewers, who continually state OLED is the best display tech there is, are in some conspiratorial group do denigrate LCDs?

2. The same refusal to deal with logic. I no longer have the patience to deal with people that simply don't listen.
1. I don`t like to believe in words and listen to advertising, I should see proofs of evolution.
No conspirancy, they just want to improove sales. If they every day speak that 9405c one of the best, then who will by modern TV`s with all their bugs? That`s why brands don`t like to let reviewers spaek about new bugs in new products.

2. You can find proofs with real content as well but what for patterns if you like to chase many hours of moovies and find bugs there?
Ok. Check this and you will see how better is 9405C:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...mnu8gFDspZwbDc

don`t watch this in browser, just download. If you see improvements, please let us know all the details.

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Ultra silent take your theories to the LCD vs OLED threads
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My old LCD barely hit 1000 nits, if it even got that close! It still had fantastic HDR! Depending on content DV and HDR10 are not all that different to the naked eye, I couldn’t tell a difference in a blind test honestly.
2. OLEDs are fine with HDR don’t worry yourself preoccupying yourself with it.
1. are you speaking about 9305C?

2. DV much more prefferable for oled. A plenty of owners report about that. HDR10 is much better with FALD LCD.

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Ultra silent take your theories to the LCD vs OLED threads
Check my links and you will see. Theories I can read in new reviews about oleds.
This thread about 9405-9305c and all this rubbish about oled, please, keep away from this thread.

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Ultra silent take your theories to the LCD vs OLED threads
Check my links and you will see. Theories I can read in new reviews about oleds.
This thread about 9405-9305c and all this rubbish about oled, please, keep away from this thread. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Lol u started this nonsense not me I was just saying i no longer have the 930C and saying how much of a great TV It was. But if anyone needs input on a 930C I will help if I can! So no I won’t keep away lol. I won’t be discussing my OLED here so no worries. 😉

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Because I didn`t understand why owners change one of the best TV for worse ones... People should understand that sometimes advertising is only about to sale not about to find best.
I understand your perspective; however, the 940C is a great LED TV and there are great OLED TVs as well. I would definitely not call the A1E a "worse" TV than the 940C.

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Ultra silent take your theories to the LCD vs OLED threads
You wrote this , so I have answered to you, because you didn`t say same to other guys, which are saying that oled is much better...
1. this thread about sony lcd models
2. I spoke about their advantages for today over oled, they are still one of the best TV`s
3. I gave the links where I did show this advantages and links where everybody else can find content and compare with new models...

My point: somebody, who understand how should look proper picture, can buy 9405C from owners (and enjoy one of the best picture at the moment), which are listening to modern reviewers too much.

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Ultra silent take your theories to the LCD vs OLED threads
You wrote this , so I have answered to you, because you didn`t say same to other guys, which are saying that oled is much better... [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
1. this thread about sony lcd models
2. I spoke about their advantages for today over oled, they are still one of the best TV`s
3. I gave the links where I did show this advantages and links where everybody else can find content and compare with new models...

My point: somebody, who understand how should look proper picture, can buy 9405C from owners (and enjoy one of the best picture at the moment), which are listening to modern reviewers too much. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
I wouldn’t say the A9F is better or worse either but your making a federal case out of it so to each is own.

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Well that escalated quickly! Lol hopefully it’s done!

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But I would...
Everybode made their choise. but to say that sony oled has no issues with near black it is ... wrong statement.
Seriously? If you don't own one, you wouldn't know. I own both and am completely satisfied with both sets. Let's get back to discussing the 940C.

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You'll want to keep Motionflow set to at least Custom with both Smoothness and Clearness set to Min, as turning Motionflow off in HDR raises the black level.
I think opposite:
Are you sure that custom-clearness - min and motion flow-off have difference in peak brightness? AFAIK Min means off.
If Motionflow is turned off in HDR the black level is raised, the issue is only corrected by setting it to Custom, also setting smoothness and clearness to min will have the same effect as if the setting was turned off.
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Does anyone know if HDMI ports 1-4 support HDMI Enhanced Format, as the description on the TV says only ports 2 and 3 do, but I could have sworn the 930c and 940c support it on all 4 ports?
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Does anyone know if HDMI ports 1-4 support HDMI Enhanced Format, as the description on the TV says only ports 2 and 3 do, but I could have sworn the 930c and 940c support it on all 4 ports?
You are correct. All 4 ports are usable.

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Does anyone know if HDMI ports 1-4 support HDMI Enhanced Format, as the description on the TV says only ports 2 and 3 do, but I could have sworn the 930c and 940c support it on all 4 ports?
You are correct. All 4 ports are usable.
Thank you for confirming, so I assume the ports 2 and 3 thing was meant for different models, weird they didn't fix the description for these TVs, but as long as all 4 ports work then that's all that matters.
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Thank you for confirming, so I assume the ports 2 and 3 thing was meant for different models, weird they didn't fix the description for these TVs, but as long as all 4 ports work then that's all that matters.
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Has anyone had a problem with the embedded Chromecast that came with the TV stop working? The App is clearly there because I can see it in the App setting, but it doesn't show up as being available from any of my devices. I've tried a Force Stop and disabling/enabling the App and it's still not being discovered and showing up as an option when I try to cast. Anyone heard of this issue and know a fix?

Edit - fixed this. TV is a 930D, btw. I had to uninstall the updates on the App to revert back to the originally installed version. When I did this the app started working again. Then I reinstalled the updates and it was fine.

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Off-topic posts removed. If it's not about the Sony X930C / X940C and not from an owner, it probably doesn't have any place, here.

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If Motionflow is turned off in HDR the black level is raised, the issue is only corrected by setting it to Custom, also setting smoothness and clearness to min will have the same effect as if the setting was turned off.
Just checked this. You were right - with MF OFF shadows are raised. And you can`t make proper black level even with Black level setting, black looking greyish.
Me personally using MF 4/0 in HDR, so no problem with blacks. But many people hate MF and switch it OFF completely. But I saw no reports about this bug nowhere in internet, this thread included.

Do you have any more observation regarding picture or sound settings? Do you have popping sound with some of the sources? when you push PAUSE or RESUME?

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Just checked this. You were right - with MF OFF shadows are raised. And you can`t make proper black level even with Black level setting, black looking greyish.

Me personally using MF 4/0 in HDR, so no problem with blacks. But many people hate MF and switch it OFF completely. But I saw no reports about this bug nowhere in internet, this thread included.



Do you have any more observation regarding picture or sound settings? Do you have popping sound with some of the sources? when you push PAUSE or RESUME?


The MF HDR bug was first noticed on the 940d and afterward noticed on other models with the same chip.

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Just checked this. You were right - with MF OFF shadows are raised. And you can`t make proper black level even with Black level setting, black looking greyish.
Me personally using MF 4/0 in HDR, so no problem with blacks. But many people hate MF and switch it OFF completely. But I saw no reports about this bug nowhere in internet, this thread included.

Do you have any more observation regarding picture or sound settings? Do you have popping sound with some of the sources? when you push PAUSE or RESUME?
I prefer custom at 0/0, or use PureCinema. @ultrasilent , are you using a set top box (cable/satellite) when you have the pops?

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Yep...it's noted somewhere back in this thread. I tested with the newest software to confirm it on the new firmware (documented many pages back).

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1. I prefer custom at 0/0, or use PureCinema.

2. @ultrasilent , are you using a set top box (cable/satellite) when you have the pops?

3. Yep...it's noted somewhere back in this thread. I tested with the newest software to confirm it on the new firmware (documented many pages back).
1. do you mean True cinema? At which setting do you have Cinemotion at the same time?

2. I have pops with some players (but this players don`t have pops with another TV`s... ) and don`t have with another players. Very strange story. I saw very few mentions about this problem in this thread, but no solutions.

3. can you please give a link to it? I`m interested in this topic.

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1. do you mean True cinema? At which setting do you have Cinemotion at the same time?
Duh, yes...TrueCinema. Cinemotion is always set to off.

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2. I have pops with some players (but this players don`t have pops with another TV`s... ) and don`t have with another players. Very strange story. I saw very few mentions about this problem in this thread, but no solutions.

3. can you please give a link to it? I`m interested in this topic.
Which topic? Just search for my posts and you should be able to find anything I've posted prior.

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Duh, yes...TrueCinema. Cinemotion is always set to off.



Which topic? Just search for my posts and you should be able to find anything I've posted prior.
1. What is the difference between True cinema+ cinemotion off and Custom 0/0?

2. Are you joking? You have hundreds posts in this thread. I thought you found that post...

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1. What is the difference between True cinema+ cinemotion off and Custom 0/0?

2. Are you joking? You have hundreds posts in this thread. I thought you found that post...
I had to do a search as well. Start here.

I'm not sure about TrueCinema and 0/0. I don't know what is behind the TrueCinema algorithm to make it different that the custom 0.

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I had to do a search as well. Start here.



I'm not sure about TrueCinema and 0/0. I don't know what is behind the TrueCinema algorithm to make it different that the custom 0.


I may be wrong but if I recall truecinema is the only PM that does 5:5, Custom 0/0 did 3:2 to 60hz and doubled to get 120hz.

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Ok. I will explain... we should forget about MF OFF, because HDR with raised blacks.
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24р content in 24Hz from player

1. Cinemotion OFF
-custom 0|0 - 5/5 pulldown - true 24p

-true cinema - 5/5 pulldown - true 24p

24p content in 60Hz from player - 3:2 pulldown (jitter)

1. Cinemotion OFF

- custom 0|0 - 60Hz doubled (jitter)

-true cinema - 60Hz doubled (jitter)

2. Cinemotion Medium or high

- custom 0|0 - 60Hz doubled (jitter)

-true cinema - reverse pulldown + 5/5 pulldown - true 24p

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And really didn`t understand why so many people compliment sony motion processing and turn off MF. Without interpolation even samsung and LG have good motion.
Sony MF is very delicate and very well customizable without SOE effect.

turn OFF Cinemotion and delicately to your taste moove Smoothness... even with 4 or 5 you will still have cinematic stutter.

cinemotion should be OFF because exactly this option brings SOE (when you use Smoothness) and bugs with interpolation.

And from player you should sent 23.976Hz.

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